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| Author: | romanista [ Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
more punishment measures http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-euro ... -a-brexit/ |
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| Author: | The Great Tyrant [ Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
As an immigrant working in a startup predominantly staffed by EU foreigners, pls stay in the EU kkthxbai. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Romanista, are you voting today? |
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| Author: | miki [ Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I am. Also Steve has received his postal vote thingy so he can vote on the Brexit |
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| Author: | Kern [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:33 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
So it seems that the 'Nee' side won, but only just, on a turnout that's just above the 'we don't have to listen to this' level. Probably means it's going to be destined to the pub quiz of history but might be another notch in the Dutch Eurosceptic log of grievances. But I don't know much about Dutch politics. |
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| Author: | Bobbyaro [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:07 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Why did the Nederlands get to vote on this as a referendum? |
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| Author: | Kern [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:11 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
From what I understand, they have a public petition law whereby if a certain number of signatures is reached, an advisory referendum has to be held on the issue. |
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| Author: | Morte [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:53 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
...the result however is not binding...but the Govt has to 'respond' to it (somehow). I'm sure our Dutch correspondents provide more light on this. |
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| Author: | romanista [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:15 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I guess this calls for your resident dutch correspondent... man I'm feeling like a complete chagrin about this.. 1) We got a referendum bill last year, making it possible to organise a referendum about a law after 400000 signatures we're collected 2) we have a right-wing blog called 'geen stijl' (No Style) which was almost cut by its owner because it didn't make anymoney, (even thoguh it is well read, it allways acts like a'school bully'. 3) A number of anti-eu activist teamed up with them.. They saw an opportunity to slowly move nl out of the EU, Geen stiojl one to gain attention... 4) they campaigned for the signatures using their blog, that went fast.. claiming it was about The EU, (and immkigration, and etc..) 5) Formally the law to ratify the Ukraine-association was being subject to a referendum, because it was a law, eventhough we already signed and ratified the treaty in both chambers.. and nobody when drawing up the law thought about that scenario.. 6) The peope who took the initiative atmitted last week they didn't care about the association treaty at all... they had 'not even read it' And so it happened yesterday.. Most of 'my friends didn't want to vote because they didn't want to legitimate this referendum (or referenda at all).. not because they didn't care.. I held out until 19.45PM, when it looked like the threshold would be met, and went out to vote, as apparantly did quite a few people.. Later that evening it seemed it was close anyway.. so i really feel bad now about voting, and thus helping to legimate a referendum which is really a misuse of the instrument and the law... And so we wake up with a refenduym with a clear no, and just above the threshold.. And nobody really knowing wha tit means...because 1) It is the first time the law is used after being passed last year.. 2) It is not binding 3) how do you cancel a law to ratify, when the treaty is more than bilateral and already partly into effect 4) how do you appreciate the voice of the many people who didn't went on principle... 5) what does this mean for the future of the referendum law, and our relationship with the EU.... |
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| Author: | Bobbyaro [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 13:53 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Wow, that sounds like a mess! |
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| Author: | miki [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 15:44 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
excellent summary romanista amen to all of that, except I went to vote at 18.45 its so depressing that a few arseholes manage to rile a whole lot of idiots to waste so many peoples time and also a bucket load of money, arg! |
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| Author: | The Great Tyrant [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 16:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Some unbiased speculation from an immigration specialist within a workplace law firm. Potential Brexit implications for EU workers in the UK: http://www.doyleclayton.co.uk/blog/post ... -of-brexit Looks at the following questions: Quote: 1. What will happen to the existing EU national workers already working in the United Kingdom ? and
2. What will happen in the future should Brexit occur – will it become much more difficult to hire EU workers ? |
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| Author: | Anonymous X [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 17:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I've pretty much come to accept I've only got a limited amount of time with my girlfriend left. I can't imagine the UK public, nationalistic as it is, will vote for us to stay in the EU, sadly. |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 17:13 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Anonymous X wrote: I've pretty much come to accept I've only got a limited amount of time with my girlfriend left. I can't imagine the UK public, nationalistic as it is, will vote for us to stay in the EU, sadly. I can't imagine the UK public will vote for us to leave, status quo rules all. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 17:22 ] |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 17:40 ] |
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that appears to be real how can that possibly be real |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 17:58 ] |
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Trooper wrote: Anonymous X wrote: I've pretty much come to accept I've only got a limited amount of time with my girlfriend left. I can't imagine the UK public, nationalistic as it is, will vote for us to stay in the EU, sadly. I can't imagine the UK public will vote for us to leave, status quo rules all. Low turnout I reckon. But a comfortable win for the Quo |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 19:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Anonymous X wrote: I've pretty much come to accept I've only got a limited amount of time with my girlfriend left. I can't imagine the UK public, nationalistic as it is, will vote for us to stay in the EU, sadly. If you want a win-win then put all your money on voting to leave. You can probably get at least 2/1 odds on it. All the polls have consistently pointed towards staying. Unless something dramatic happens I think you'll be fine. |
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| Author: | markg [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 19:20 ] |
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Turnout is what worries me, I reckon the leave voters might be more motivated as a group than the ones who just want everything to stay the same. I'm sure the polls have adjusted for this, though. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 20:22 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
markg wrote: Turnout is what worries me, I reckon the leave voters might be more motivated as a group than the ones who just want everything to stay the same. I'm sure the polls have adjusted for this, though. You'd have thought the same over the voting change though (FPTP vs AV). |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 20:41 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Brexit won't happen, and never will happen, for precisely the same reasons as Scottish independence not ever happening: people have too much to lose, what with their jobs, mortgages, pensions and all the rest. I mean, it's one thing for rabid, frothing europhobes to get all-in-a-lather on fucking Twitter (just as per their 'cybernat' Scottish counterparts); but for your normal, average, everyday guy and gal with a job, kids to bring up, having to earn a living and stuff (and with precious little time for the whole, sorry troll-fest), they just don't want the arse to fall out of their world, thanks. So trust me on this. It's not happening. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 21:02 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I hope you're right Cavey, but the difference is that the Scots media doesn't have a history of saturating the population with the idea that the UK is the root of all their ills. Or at least not quite to the same extent of the drip dip drip of straight bananas and rapists let free cos of EU human rights bollocks that the UK media pumps out day after day. And the trump card for the public consciousness here is immigration. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 21:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
The Scottish independence vote was 45-55. That's hardly a landslide. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 21:29 ] |
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Quite. |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 21:43 ] |
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No Trump cards please |
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| Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 21:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Cavey sounds like kinnock in 92. We're alright. |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 21:59 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
MrChris wrote: Quite. Nah. The vote was won by 11 clear points which, if compared to an old school two horse race general election, would be a landslide. Don't forget, too, that this emphatic victory was as against a sitting Tory government and the worst austerity the country had seen for generations: perfect, nutritious agar and fertile ground indeed for the grievance monkeys, liars, misleaders, propagandists and fantasists of the pro independence side. They still lost, and by a fecking mile too. |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 22:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
ApplePieOfDestiny wrote: Cavey sounds like kinnock in 92. We're alright. Oh man. That is below the belt, I'll not be compared to the Welsh Windbag, thanks. 
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| Author: | Bobbyaro [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 22:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Actually, I have never seen them in the same room... |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 22:35 ] |
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| Author: | Kern [ Tue Apr 12, 2016 17:46 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
There's a two-part documentary starting tonight on BBC2 about Britain's on-and-off romance with the continent. Might be of interest for some background. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
'The Wee Bleu Book'. Not written by ['our absent friend'-ed]. Might peruse this over the weekend. |
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| Author: | asfish [ Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:20 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I was wondering, now we have a formal "No" party, will they get 9 million quid to send a leaflet to every house in the UK as well? Would be a bit unfair if the government can spend this money for their "Yes" view and the "No" party can't |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:28 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
asfish wrote: I was wondering, now we have a formal "No" party, will they get 9 million quid to send a leaflet to every house in the UK as well? Would be a bit unfair if the government can spend this money for their "Yes" view and the "No" party can't That depends on where the 9 million came from. What fund or budget was it allocated to? |
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| Author: | Kern [ Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
asfish wrote: I was wondering, now we have a formal "No" party, will they get 9 million quid to send a leaflet to every house in the UK as well? Not quite. Each official side gets £600,000 to play with from public funds and can spend up to £7 million. They both get a mailshot. The government's Protect and Survive referendum blurb was done outside of the referendum campaigns. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Parliament's website now has a page with links to a large number of EU-related material if you find yourself unable to sleep without knowing the intricacies of, say, Northern Ireland's relationship with the EU. Anyone read any good books arguing for either side? |
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| Author: | Kern [ Wed May 18, 2016 9:06 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Referendum propaganda update: was handed a 'Remain' leaflet produced by the Labour party yesterday. I'm still uninspired by either side, and arguing that only the EU can protect workers' rights suggests a complete lack of ambition on the part of the Labour folk to ever re-enter government. Also, Mr Cameron appears to have seen Mr Johnson's 'Hitler' jibe and raised to 'Isis'. Under five weeks, people. Still, at least we didn't come last at Eurovision. |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Wed May 18, 2016 9:11 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
I am yet to see an unbiased list of pros and cons where the leave and remain options are contrasted side by side i.e. Code: ######Leave##########Remain#####
#All dogs killed###All dogs fed# |
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| Author: | Kern [ Wed May 18, 2016 9:15 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Vote 'Stay' to show support for sinister megaglobal corporations doing shady backroom deals. Vote 'Leave' to show support for sinister xenophobes. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed May 18, 2016 9:21 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
"Remain means [insert horror here]!" "No, Leave means [same horror]!" "Vote Leave for X!" "NO! Vote REMAIN for X!" Sigh. No one has any idea what will happen, do they? |
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| Author: | Kern [ Wed May 18, 2016 9:28 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
The lack of idealism on either side is grating. Why aren't the stay people trying harder to sell the idea of European Unity, of closer co-operation, of a federal dream, or even of the EU as it currently exists? Why aren't the remain side offering a vision of a free, independent country? And why the hell am I slowly turning into ['a former deputy editor of a long-defunct Amiga gaming magazine'-Ed.] over this? |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Wed May 18, 2016 10:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
There's no paradise of a federal European super state because that's not a great idea nor something I think that most of he country wants. I've actually just been in a Ministerial debate on the referendum with the Minister for the Caninet Office (get me!) and the ideal is really to have the 'best of both worlds'. Obviously he's spinning things towards his side, but really now that the 'ever closer union' clause is gone, and we have a way to prevent getting overruled by the inner circle of Schengen/Eurozone countries, we're not actually in too bad a place. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Fri May 20, 2016 12:52 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
hah! I have often felt this way when actors feel the need to comment on stuff. |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Fri May 20, 2016 12:59 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Bloody hell, Curio's a Cabinet Minister! /starts shredding |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Fri May 20, 2016 13:50 ] |
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Cavey wrote: Bloody hell, Curio's a Cabinet Minister!
/starts shredding |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Fri May 20, 2016 14:09 ] |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri May 20, 2016 14:50 ] |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Fri May 20, 2016 14:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Yes, I think that's known as being, ahem, well and truly "pwned". I am fetching my coat as we speak. 
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| Author: | Kern [ Sat May 21, 2016 9:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Leaflet watch: just received another flyer from the remain camp, telling me that it's important I have the facts so I can make 'the best and safest choice'. On the other side it has a picture of Richard Branson saying that leaving would be 'very very damaging'. Please don't make me act out of spite, remainers. Still nothing from the Leave side: am I marked on their database as not worth the effort? Shame. I don't take rejection well. I also got my polling card today too. Shit just got real. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Sun May 22, 2016 21:16 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taking the Brexit |
Just watched 'Paxman in Brussels: who really rules us?' . Worth watching if you're after an overview of how the EU works and its implications on sovereignty. |
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