Taking the Brexit

Findus Fop · **Joined:** 14th May, 2009 **Posts:** 4299

MaliA wrote:

https://brexit-petitions-count.now.

Revoke Vs no deal petition summary

Not loading for me at the moment.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:34

https://brexit-petitions-count.now.sh/

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

I've only just looked at the wording for that pro-Brexit petition

Quote:

We are wasting Billions of pounds of taxpayers money trying to negotiate in a short space of time. Leaving the EU in March 2019 will allow the UK good time to negotiate more efficiently. The EU will be more eager to accept a deal on our terms having lost a major partner.

Every single sentence is utterly delusional and/or meaningless gibberish.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Mar 26, 2019 18:23

Bamba wrote:

Every single sentence is utterly delusional and/or meaningless gibberish.

They appear to be advocating for economic and monetary union.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Mar 26, 2019 18:30

Kern wrote:

Bamba wrote:

Every single sentence is utterly delusional and/or meaningless gibberish.

They appear to be advocating for economic and monetary union.

Hahhahahahahha. Superb.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Rates fixed at the time of the deal! GBP permanently pegged to the Euro, amazing scenes. Also where do they get the bizarre idea that the Irish border is a currency issue

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Mar 26, 2019 18:51

Cras wrote:

. Also where do they get the bizarre idea that the Irish border is a currency issue

In fairness, I once handed over the wrong banknote when buying a beer on the ferry.

Warhead · Noob as of 6/8/10

Kern wrote:

Cras wrote:

. Also where do they get the bizarre idea that the Irish border is a currency issue

In fairness, I once handed over the wrong banknote when buying a beer on the ferry.

You reckless devil.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14358

FUCKING BREXIT CUNTS.

https://apple.news/A_TtO80u9SeyAKC--C9ly-w

krazywookie · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:22

: this:

JohnCoffey · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:24

I signed that petition. Not quite sure what I've signed for, but again the govt need telling.

Fuck, the way things are going I may even vote this year. Would be the first time since the only time I ever voted (the year I was old enough I voted for labour, so 90? 92? Somewhere around then). I got my polling card yesterday, may just use it instead of tearing up and mumbling obscenities about wasting paper.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:54

Quote:

Parliament is going to debate the petition you signed – “Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.”.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

The debate is scheduled for 1 April 2019.

Once the debate has happened, we’ll email you a video and transcript.

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:11

April fools.
How apposite.

Nik · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1982

The government response is the usual "we made a stupid promise and have to keep it or the wolves will get us" piss though:

Quote:

This Government will not revoke Article 50. We will honour the result of the 2016 referendum and work with Parliament to deliver a deal that ensures we leave the European Union.

It remains the Government’s firm policy not to revoke Article 50. We will honour the outcome of the 2016 referendum and work to deliver an exit which benefits everyone, whether they voted to Leave or to Remain.

Revoking Article 50, and thereby remaining in the European Union, would undermine both our democracy and the trust that millions of voters have placed in Government.

The Government acknowledges the considerable number of people who have signed this petition. However, close to three quarters of the electorate took part in the 2016 referendum, trusting that the result would be respected. This Government wrote to every household prior to the referendum, promising that the outcome of the referendum would be implemented. 17.4 million people then voted to leave the European Union, providing the biggest democratic mandate for any course of action ever directed at UK Government.

British people cast their votes once again in the 2017 General Election where over 80% of those who voted, voted for parties, including the Opposition, who committed in their manifestos to upholding the result of the referendum.

This Government stands by this commitment.

Revoking Article 50 would break the promises made by Government to the British people, disrespect the clear instruction from a democratic vote, and in turn, reduce confidence in our democracy. As the Prime Minister has said, failing to deliver Brexit would cause “potentially irreparable damage to public trust”, and it is imperative that people can trust their Government to respect their votes and deliver the best outcome for them.

Department for Exiting the European Union.

So essentially, the government are going to do something they know is stupid, and blame people for voting for it, rather than taking charge. Fucking great.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:35

I have little to no confidence that MPs are going to make the most of their opportunity to shape the likely direction of travel today.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:18

https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/status/1 ... 3640735745

"The Labour party is not a Remain Party" - @BarryGardiner #r4today
— norman smith (@BBCNormanS) March 27, 2019

Well. Glad that is now out in the open.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38461

MaliA wrote:

https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/status/1110813423640735745

Well. Glad that is now out in the open.

File that under N for "No shit, Sherlock"

Nik · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1982

Tusk
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 41466.html

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status ... 2830219264

Barry Gardiner has just said on BBC radio that â€œLabour will whip against the Revoke option as Labour is not a Remain partyâ€.

So the 6 million people who signed the Revoke petition..& the many millions more who want to remain the message is clear....

....donâ€™t vote Labour.
— NickðŸ‡¬ðŸ‡§ðŸ‡ªðŸ‡º (@nicktolhurst) March 27, 2019

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38461

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

But also

https://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/1 ... 0747092992

I've had many calls about Barry Gardiner's interview on @BBCr4today, which I missed. Whipping arrangement have not yet been agreed. I support the Kyle/Wilson amendment.
— Tom Watson (@tom_watson) March 27, 2019

Certainly reassuring that Labour doesn't know which way it faces on this issue.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:55

Check out @DPJHodges’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/11 ... 8489241600

There is intense speculation that the Conservative Prime Minister will be announcing her resignation at 5.00 pm. Yet Barry Gardiner, (presumably on behalf of Corbyn), has turned today into a crisis for Labour. That takes some doing.
— (((Dan Hodges))) (@DPJHodges) March 27, 2019

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:04

The animation on that alien's mouth (I'm guessing Kang, because he's on the left) is superb. You can almost lip-read it.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38461

Grim... wrote:

The animation on that alien's mouth (I'm guessing Kang, because he's on the left) is superb. You can almost lip-read it.

It's a lot easier to lip-sync animation when the speaker is speaking slowly and drawing out the sounds. In the show, the actor (James Earl Jones, I believe) hams it up big time. "Gooo ahead! Throoooow your vooote away!"

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:07

Ah, okay. Well now I think it's distinctly average. Thanks, DP!

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38461

Grim... wrote:

Ah, okay. Well now I think it's distinctly average. Thanks, DP!

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38461

https://twitter.com/Alison_McGovern/sta ... 6814856192

We are in favour of Britain's membership of the European Union ðŸ‡¬ðŸ‡§ðŸ‡ªðŸ‡ºâ™¡ https://t.co/dc5xUiyZdE
— Alison McGovern (@Alison_McGovern) March 27, 2019

I might have forced my MP's hand. I hope don't get her into trouble

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Oh dear God no, make it stop, make it stop

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/ ... 8713658375

One pro-deal Tory backbencher tells me he won't vote at all tonight, because none of the 16 options appeal to him. Says quite a few like him. A Tory mass abstention is the big flaw to the Letwin plan, as will mean any consensus is impossible to identify.
— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) March 27, 2019

GazChap · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 14:14

SIXTEEN?

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14489

GazChap wrote:

SIXTEEN?

From https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-poli ... 409/page/3

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

What will MPs vote on (part one)?

MPs have been putting forward their proposals for Brexit.

Speaker John Bercow will select which ones will be voted on

Votes on the motions will take place at 19:00 GMT and the results will be announced later in the evening.

Constitutional and accountable government (A)

Conservative William Cash

Reaffirms the result of the referendum and Parliament’s commitment to carry out Brexit. Makes it harder for MPs to take control of the Commons in the future.

No Deal (B) Conservative MP John Baron

Agrees to leave the EU on 12 April without a deal.

Unilateral right of exit from backstop (C) Conservative MP John Baron

UK will leave the EU on 22 May with an amended withdrawal agreement to allow a unilateral exit from the backstop

Common market 2.0 (D) Conservative MP Nick Boles

Government joins the EEA through EFTA and negotiates a temporary customs union until alternative arrangements can be found

Respect the referendum result (E) Conservative MP Will Quince

Reaffirms the House’s commitment to abide by the referendum result

Participation in a customs union (F) Labour MP Gareth Snell

Government takes “all necessary steps” to participate in a customs union after exit day.

Revocation instead of no deal (G) SNP MP Angus Brendan MacNeil

Government revokes Article 50 if we get to four days before exit day without an approved withdrawal agreement.

EFTA and EEA (H) Conservative MP George Eustice

Remains in the EEA and applies to re-join EFTA. Declines to form a customs union but seeks “agreement on new protocols relating to the Northern Ireland border and agri-food trade”.

What will MPs vote on (part two)?

Consent of devolved institutions (I) SNP MP Ian Blackford

No action for leaving the EU will be taken without approval from the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly

Customs union (J) Conservative MP Ken Clarke

Enshrine the objective to form a customs union in primary legislation

Labour’s alternative plan (K) – Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn

Negotiate changes to the Withdrawal Agreement and the Political Declaration to secure Labour’s position, and pass these objectives into law.

Revocation to avoid no deal (L) – SNP MP Joanna Cherry

If the Withdrawal (Agreement) Bill has not been passed before exit day, the government will ask MPs to approve no deal. If this does not pass, the government will revoke Article 50.

Confirmatory public vote (M) Labour MP Margaret Beckett

Government cannot implement or ratify the withdrawal agreement and the political declaration unless and until they have been approved in a referendum.

Malthouse Compromise plan A (N) Conservative MP Nicky Morgan

Plan to replace the current backstop with alternative arrangements, using technology to keep an open border on the island of Ireland

Contingent preferential arrangements (O) Conservative MP Marcus Fysh

Malthouse Plan B: The UK makes its budgetary contributions to the EU to the end of 2020 and agrees with the EU a period of two years in which UK goods have full access to the EU

Contingent reciprocal arrangements (P) Conservative MP Marcus Fysh

In the event of a no deal, UK will at least reciprocate EU arrangements to “mitigate and avoid disruption” and unilaterally guarantee citizens’ rights.

And a rough writeup of what they are / which are just junk : http://go.pardot.com/webmail/509131/234 ... 536bf2c47f

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

whywhywhywhywhy

https://twitter.com/RobDotHutton/status ... 0209516544

LABOUR BREXIT LATEST: Jeremy Corbyn's spokesman explains that the party only supports a referendum on a "damaging Tory Brexit". If Labour takes power, he says, it will negotiate a better Brexit, which won't need a referendum.
— Robert Hutton (@RobDotHutton) March 27, 2019

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Gots to get dem unicorns.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10078

Are Labour actually just a DeepMind instance?

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 14:41

GazChap wrote:

SIXTEEN?

https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/ ... 8339237895

BREXIT UPDATE:
1006 days after the EU referendum, MPs will today finally vote on how they think Brexit should happen. We were due to leave in 58 hours... pic.twitter.com/OPw46v7h7Q
— Larry the Cat (@Number10cat) March 27, 2019

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 14:42

Why do we need to do this? The Leave campaign's plan was perfectly clear and 17.4 million people all knew what they were voting for.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 14:46

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

whywhywhywhywhy

https://twitter.com/RobDotHutton/status ... 0209516544

LABOUR BREXIT LATEST: Jeremy Corbyn's spokesman explains that the party only supports a referendum on a "damaging Tory Brexit". If Labour takes power, he says, it will negotiate a better Brexit, which won't need a referendum.
— Robert Hutton (@RobDotHutton) March 27, 2019

"I'm not sharing a lifeboat with Chuka Umunna".

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 18:22

I am somewhat despondent again over it all

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14489

MaliA wrote:

I am somewhat despondent again over it all

As someone has previously said its the hope that gets you :-(

Latest from May seems to be that she's announced to the party she will leave once this phase is done - who knows (or cares at this point) what that means.

https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1110954634527588354

MP tells me Theresa May has told Tory MPs she will hand over the leadership once Brexit is delivered. There it is
— Arj Singh (@singharj) March 27, 2019

TheCookie197 · **Joined:** 23rd Sep, 2010 **Posts:** 729

So May has just announced she'll resign if her deal is passed. She's really banking on how much her party hates her isn't she?

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 18:34

Bitch should play more mafiascum

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 19:03

Even if she gets the deal over the line and leaves, it's still a poisoned chalice. Would any further negotiations with the EU, let alone with the US or China, be any less one-sided than we've already had?

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14489

That’s part of the problem her deal is not a “deal” it’s a withdrawal agreement

It just puts a framework in place for the actual deal to be worked out

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 5152

Kern wrote:

Even if she gets the deal over the line and leaves, it's still a poisoned chalice. Would any further negotiations with the EU, let alone with the US or China, be any less one-sided than we've already had?

I'd suggest that the next phase will be even more one sided.
Now, we still have the option to say "fuck it" and carry on as we are.
Once we're in the transition period that can't happen, so we're then stuck with Backstop or take whatever crumbs they offer us.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 19:28

Can't get enough of that chlorinated chicken.

Pundabaya · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5016

The question is now, who the fuck do I vote for at the next election? Anyone got any viable choices?

Nik · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1982

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

Kern wrote:

Even if she gets the deal over the line and leaves, it's still a poisoned chalice. Would any further negotiations with the EU, let alone with the US or China, be any less one-sided than we've already had?

I'd suggest that the next phase will be even more one sided.
Now, we still have the option to say "fuck it" and carry on as we are.
Once we're in the transition period that can't happen, so we're then stuck with Backstop or take whatever crumbs they offer us.

At that point we (MPs/Govt) will have a choice between shit, shite, crap, bollocks, bullshit, toss, and wank.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 19:58

Pundabaya wrote:

The question is now, who the fuck do I vote for at the next election? Anyone got any viable choices?

Mali A

Pundabaya · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5016

MaliA wrote:

Pundabaya wrote:

The question is now, who the fuck do I vote for at the next election? Anyone got any viable choices?

Mali A

Pros: He's Malicool.
Cons: He's Malicool.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 20:01

Pundabaya wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Pundabaya wrote:

The question is now, who the fuck do I vote for at the next election? Anyone got any viable choices?

Mali A

Pros: He's Malicool.
Cons: He's Malicool.

I’m not seeing any pros

Pundabaya · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5016

Well, I didn't want to be mean.

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