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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 17:16 
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Why were they making long text posts on Vine?

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Here's Mr Dunt's article on it all.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Wait, why didn't that expand?

[edit] Oh, because Mali :)

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 17:20 
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Democracy is broken. Parliament is an insane point-scoring shouting house populated by idiots and lunatics. That this statement from IDS raised cheers and laughs is conclusive evidence that we should just burn the whole rotten edifice to the ground and just put MaliA in charge, like we should have from the start.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Hey, do you like the fact you don’t pay for roaming charges in Europe? Tough. They’re coming back.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 20:52 
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I sometimes kid myself that this all part of Mrs May's secret plan, and that her aim is to crash the country so badly by Brexit that we come begging for her to lead us back in, like pulling back the joystick just as the plane is about to hit the ground in the films. Then I realise that that would show a degree of political imagination and statecraft that she's never demonstrated, and we're just blundering into disaster.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 21:31 
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Did you see the stuff about the US airline deal? Another little taster of how we’re going to get pantsed by all the bigger boys in the schoolyard.

https://www.ft.com/content/9461157c-1f9 ... d3483b8b80

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The US is offering Britain a worse “Open Skies” deal after Brexit than it had as an EU member, in a negotiating stance that would badly hit the transatlantic operating rights of British Airways and Virgin Atlantic.

British and American negotiators secretly met in January for the first formal talks on a new air services deal, aiming to fill the gap created when Britain falls out of the EU-US open skies treaty after Brexit, according to people familiar with talks.

In a sign of the battle Britain faces to replicate its existing rights, the talks were cut short after US negotiators offered standard bilateral conditions that would reduce access and in effect exclude all main UK-based carriers because they would not meet the criteria for ownership and control.

One person attending the London meetings to “put Humpty Dumpty back together” said: “You can’t just scratch out ‘EU’ and put in ‘UK’.” A British official said it showed “the squeeze” London will face as it tries to reconstruct its international agreements after Brexit, even with close allies such as Washington.

Negotiators are confident of an eventual agreement to keep open the busy UK-US routes, which account for more than a third of current transatlantic flight traffic. But there are legal and political obstacles that could impede the two sides from reaching a deal in time to give legal certainty to airlines booking flights a year in advance.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 21:33 
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Maybe that’s just biased bluster, though, from the swivel-eyed lefty loons at the Finacial Times (subs please check.)


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I don't get the pink 'un so missed that. Utterly unsurprising, given the really weak position we're in. And to think the Tories criticise Jeremy Corbyn for wanting to sacrifice the country's wellbeing at the altar of ideology. But hey, the Open Skies agreement was good while it lasted, eh?

I'd write another letter to my MP but I've just managed to stop myself from doing one about the Irish border and I fear I was placed in her staff's angry crank list a long time ago.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It’s a rare FT story that lies outside the paywall too.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Did you see the stuff about the US airline deal? Another little taster of how we’re going to get pantsed by all the bigger boys in the schoolyard.


Going through Schipol or Dublin is often cheaper, and the latter has the benefit of US immigration before you leave, but I hate changing planes so have never done that.

Still, just the time for Mr Trump to start a trade war when we're begging for a good deal from them.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Another little taster of how we’re going to get pantsed by all the bigger boys in the schoolyard.


If only those screaming at remainers for lacking patriotism would stop and notice how diminished our country's becoming because of all this.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It’s a rare FT story that lies outside the paywall too.

It doesn’t. You can defeat it by googling the headline and using the Amp link.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It’s a rare FT story that lies outside the paywall too.

It doesn’t. You can defeat it by googling the headline and using the Amp link.


The Maginot Paywall.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It’s a rare FT story that lies outside the paywall too.

It doesn’t. You can defeat it by googling the headline and using the Amp link.

I read it earlier off Flipboard. I hadn’t realised it was Ft otherwise I wouldn’t have clicked (flipboard ft articles have never previously been through amp and hit the paywall, maybe that’s changed)


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It's almost like when you set a defined date when all your existing treaties become null and void, you're not exactly negotiating from a position of strength when trying to beg for anything even remotely approaching the status quo.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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The Maginot Paywall.


I actually got that, I feel so intellectual.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It's almost like when you set a defined date when all your existing treaties become null and void, you're not exactly negotiating from a position of strength when trying to beg for anything even remotely approaching the status quo.


As Dr Renwick from the UCl's Consitution Unit put it back in the halcyon days of January 2016:

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Put simply, Article 50 gives the 27 continuing member states predominant power. That comes partly from the fact that, according to Paragraph 4 of Article 50, the withdrawing state no longer counts as a member of the European Council for the purpose of the negotiations. But mainly it comes from the guillotine imposed by the two-year deadline and the requirement for unanimity to extend that deadline. The negotiations will be long and contentious. An extension beyond two years might well be needed – but any one of the 27 could block that if it didn’t get its way on its own priorities.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:41 
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It is bizarre, sitting on the other side of the world, listening to right wingers arguing total nonsense (just today, JCB head whipped by Ed Balls; latter arguing that businesses generally weren't keen on the uncertainty, and more trade restrictions would add friction, former arguing that it wouldn't be the end of the world - total straw man, up there with Davis talking about the UK not being a mad max world post EU; then fishermen talking about expecting a backroom deal, and how well the Dutch have done from our fishing grounds, when apparently no one has told them that it was our government, not the EU, that sold 90% of our fishing rights to overseas companies, and other EU companies haven't done that; and a farmer saying the UK produced the best in the world and he was fed up of 'everyone' knocking us. Oh, and scientists talking about already finding it harder to attract talent and wanting to stay in the 'best in the world' EU consortium.) and straw manning to justify their ludicrous over compensations (Mad Max - though I let Davis off, because he looks less well every time I see him, and I don't want Brexit to kill him).

It feels from here that, a bit like Kern was saying, the best hope is that May has joined the other cabinet members in being a liar. More specifically, that she has deliberately aimed for, and pretended is inevitable, a too-tough Brexit that can't be delivered, so that ultimately there will have to be compromise and she can work on something gentler that would never have been accepted by the nutters had it been suggested up front.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It’s a rare FT story that lies outside the paywall too.

It doesn’t. You can defeat it by googling the headline and using the Amp link.


I can't see it at all at work because the FT apparently once got busted nicking our financial research and republishing it, so my company responded by blocking the FT entirely for all of us, because we're dead mature like.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Hard to disagree:

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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New Zealand! Actually, now you ask, I'm back in Singapore for a few days (haven't planned leaving yet) from the 23rd April. If you'll be there...


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I genuinely can't believe it's only now the House of Commons has debated our rights to travel, live, and work abroad, and that's on an opposition day motion introduced by Plaid Cymru.

The government gives a typically dismissive response, and, as is now common and, frankly, cowardly, doesn't bother voting against so the motion has technically been approved by the House but nothing will change.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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The government's super-secret Brexit forecast doc has been released. One highlight:

https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/ ... 2071555072




Worth noting that tiny, tiny "things that might get better after Brexit" blue box is a possible future FTA with the USA. This predates Trump starting a trade war, however. Yeah.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Uh oh.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It feels rather like the wheels are about to fall off.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It feels rather like the wheels are about to fall off.


Remember it won't be our fault at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Come on fellow Remoaners, one last push of common fucking sense. Please!

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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It's funny, I tend to imagine the EU as French, German continentals, but something just flipped in my head that made me realise that Ireland is very definitely 'on the other side'.

Must be a 'they speak English' thing


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It's funny, I tend to imagine the EU as French, German continentals, but something just flipped in my head that made me realise that Ireland is very definitely 'on the other side'.

Must be a 'they speak English' thing


Na, just 1000 years of colonialism.


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It's funny, I tend to imagine the EU as French, German continentals, but something just flipped in my head that made me realise that Ireland is very definitely 'on the other side'.

Must be a 'they speak English' thing


Had Scotland left, we would be doing exactly the same as the EU is to us. You left, your problem. We've got our people and interests to protect.


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The Irish are very much on the other side. Predominantly because of colonialism.

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Come on fellow Remoaners, one last push of common fucking sense. Please!


I wish I'd kept my MP's election leaflet from last year. I threw it out in anger as she was just saying how there would be 'no turning back' and how north Oxfordshire's businesses were in a great position to take advantage of the 'opportunities' offered by Brexit.

Naturally, I emailed her to ask what these were.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Come on fellow Remoaners, one last push of common fucking sense. Please!

I don't see any hope there. May is too weak to resist the headbangers and shallow opportunists who are, in effect, running the country now. Johnson, just last night:

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The Foreign Secretary responded “I’ve never been one of those who is apprehensive about the so-called no deal scenario. No deal is better than a bad deal.” When challenged by restless audience members over a perceived lack of no deal preparations he responded “I know it may hold terrors for you. It doesn’t hold terrors for me.”


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Right, so we've reached the 'Christian Scientist with Appendicitis' stage.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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The Irish are very much on the other side. Predominantly because of colonialism.


Predominantly I would suggest because they have the common sense to know two things:

1) Having 25 friends is better than having 1 friend
2) Especially when the 1 friend is threatening a return to violence at your northern border

There's little of the 'anti-english' about it, from what I've seen, if anything it's the opposite, and they're better able to deal in practical realities rather than emotional responses. And their leadership is slightly less of a bunch of knobends.

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I'm more thinking of Sinn Fein's continued refusal to take their Westminster seats even though they could probably bring down this government and stop Brexit if they did so.

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I'm more thinking of Sinn Fein's continued refusal to take their Westminster seats even though they could probably bring down this government and stop Brexit if they did so.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... ans-brexit

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I'm more thinking of Sinn Fein's continued refusal to take their Westminster seats even though they could probably bring down this government and stop Brexit if they did so.


You seem a little confused about who "The Irish" are ;)

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Oh man, can you imagine the shit storm if Irish Nationalists stopped Brexit!?


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Oh man, can you imagine the shit storm if Irish Nationalists stopped Brexit!?

Can you imagine the shitstorm if they don't and the worst happens? The worst case scenario is a hard border, the end of the Good Friday agreement, and the return of sectarian violence. It puts Sinn Fein further from its stated goals of Irish unification than ever.


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You could say it's a complex issue that can't be properly explored with a simple yes/no vote...


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Lonewolves wrote:
I'm more thinking of Sinn Fein's continued refusal to take their Westminster seats even though they could probably bring down this government and stop Brexit if they did so.


You seem a little confused about who "The Irish" are ;)

Sinn Fein are an Irish political party!

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