Be Excellent To Each Other

It's on Channel 4 these days.

June 2016: Vote leave for more cake
Now: Nobody expected cake. It was just a suggestion.

Not for the first time though Cras, your sweeping assertions just don't stack up to even cursory checks.
The French economy grew by 0.5% last reported quarter (wow, that's a whopping 0.1% more than ours, and I think you'll find their unemployment levels are 10%, i.e. double fucking figures, as compared to our 4%), plus they had an actual contraction in economic growth in July 2016 and only 0.2% growth in October 2016. Much of 2015 was at, or close to zero growth, and 2013 was outright recession, so not exactly a great starting point, either! Here, see for yourself:

https://tradingeconomics.com/france/gdp-growth

Italian economic growth has been bumping on the floor for the whole of 2014, 2015, 2016 and to present, and outright deep recession for the whole of 2012 and 2013. Their unemployment rate sits at 11.3% FFS.

https://tradingeconomics.com/italy/gdp-growth

Even bloody *Germany* has had very similar economic growth to the UK in the last few years, and unlike us, their latest quarter shows a fall, to a very comparable 0.6%

https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/gdp-growth

So yeah, I'm looking at actual metrics, not memes.

I'm absolutely gutted no-one will be able to land their plane in the UK from 2019 onwards.

Or take off as we're replacing runways with conveyor belts.

VOTE CORBYN IF YOU LIKE PLANES

Heathrow will be become Heathrow Farm, full of May-endorsed wheat fields.

You specifically picked out last quarter's growth growth in GDP as being healthy. I pointed out that the performance of most other economies this year (which, if we're talking brexit impact, is the relevant timeframe) is better.

You can't call out GDP growth as an indicator of a healty economy then leap instead to another factor when the numbers show that our GDP growth isn't healthy, it's somewhere between lacklustre and weak.

Be as sarcastic as you like, but that's what worst case hard brexit is.

Hehe, I agree! Beats endless grievance chimp-mongering any day of the week, let's have a bit of positivity.

Well FFS, it' hard not to be sarcastic in the face of such absurd idiocy. I'm sorry, but there really is no other way to say it. Get a grip, please.

In terms of your last post, I gave you specific examples of peer economies whose last-quarter growth rates were entirely compatible with our own (and with lower recent trajectories to boot in some cases, as against double-digit unemployment rates as well). If you're saying we're doing worse than China, as based on economic growth rates, well duh. I think you'll find everyone is.

Haha, very good mate I must admit.

Soz I don't click dailyfail links.

Most countries haven't released Q3 figures yet, but the Q1 and Q2 figures are terrible.

https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=350

I'm not comparing us to China, I'm comparing us to Greece, Belgium, Colombia, Slovenia!

You tell me you think our GDP growth for 2017 is healthy based on our ranking in that table, you're powerfully deluding yourself. And short of the rest of the world having suffered a massive recession we didn't notice, that 0.1% upgrade in Q3 isn't going to be an improvement on what's already there for Q1 and Q2.

Hang on, you're comparing us with the likes of Greece, whose economy melted down recently so there's an absurdly low base upon which they have some semblance of 'recovery', with a 22% unemployment rate? Wow.

As for your citing Columbia, I think you'll find they've had TWO negative quarters in the last year or so FFS, as 10 seconds on Google demonstrates https://tradingeconomics.com/colombia/gdp-growth
(Besides which, if you think there is anything whatoever comparable between theirs and the UK's mature economy, well, there really is no helping you)

Look, you say how "terrible" our cumulative Q1 and Q2 growth of 0.6% is, with upwards trajectory and as against incredible employment levels, resilient markets and lowest unemployment for 40 years, even as I've demonstrated to you that these are entirely compatible with our peer competitor nations, with far worse unemployment in all cases, by a fucking country mile (i.e. at least double) except Germany's, which is comparable to own own. I'm suggesting to you that, on the basis of current facts, this default, knee-jerk analysis of yours is pessimistic to the point of absurdity.

You say they're comparable, that table I linked to is that comparison! And we're right down near the bottom!

Oh man. I give up, sorry.

I do like Ian Dunt.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/10 ... of-no-deal

Well, yes, I should think Mr Dunt is concerned about the status of his return flight from his 2019 jollies. Who can blame him?
That surname is a little phonetically unfortunate, though, right enough.

You seem to be treating the grounding of all the flights like it's something that couldn't happen.

It could, but I don't think it will. However, it's likely to cost £gazillion to fix.

And, importantly, it's only one of hundreds of things.

Yes, that's right mate, I am indeed treating the possibility of no planes being able to land in the UK as being something that won't happen, and couldn't happen [for reasons of Brexit at least, not if we had an asteroid hitting us or something].

The aeroplanes thing is a useful example of the complexity of what the government's policy entails. All these really tiny issues that most people outside a particular sector don't know or care about that's all entangled with the EU which the government will have to unpick and consider in order to keep the country functioning. Only to replace it with the exact same thing because you can't deviate too far from the European or international standard.

Yep, it's also good example of why they shouldn't even bother wasting time talking about no deal scenarios. As Ian Dunt points out it's just a completely idiotic threat. But such is the hand these fucking Brexit clowns are holding in their fucking stupid negotiations.

"Worst case no deal brexit, but not the actual worst case, just the things I've personally decided will happen in a no deal brexit" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

It may seem a small point, but the country is packed with people applauding the idea of no deal, and they need pounding into their heads just how utterly catastrophic it would be.

If you do that they literally start going on about how we got through two world wars.

Yup, imagine having to get the ferry.
(I'm sorry, I just can't take this seriously. I'll leave you to your doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom mongering now, I just wanted to point out the latest good growth data in spite of aforesaid dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom).

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/923126324243333120

I mean FFS. That guy's expression needs to be a WTF gif.

You can't get to the ferry as there's insufficient customs infrastructure post no deal so the M20 is a lorry park.

Marginally less awful than expected growth data

What do you want to go over there for anyway? Do you hate your country or something?

Yes, it's full of awful forrins, but their cheeses are rather good!

Marginally less awful if your definition of the term "awful" has absolutely no relative or actual objective basis whatsoever, and is entirely non-constant also, as driven by political grievances, and as coupled with an inability to read, less still consider other equally important parameters, and slightly more nuanced information such as data trends and trajectories.

And 46% more expensive if you want Italien mozerella

I find Italien mozeralla better than the fake stuff from Italy.

46% more?

I'd say marginally less than awfully so.

Sounds to me like Post Brexit Britain is going to resemble The Day the Earth Stood Still.
Will we still have electricity, or is it back to the Stone Age for Shoreditch Chatterati? Shit, they really *will* be serving food on Gen 1 iPads.

You see this is now the bar for success for Brexiteers?

We won't all die in a post apocalyptic wasteland, we survived the blitz, we're only poking *one* of our own eyes out etc.

Post Brexit Britain was meant to be a paradise where all our bananas are bendy and without EU interference we could flourish.

Heh. No, I'm poking fun at all the absurdly apocalyptic nonsense, including in this thread.

Cavey circa 2019...

The Trooper is my fave Maiden track of all time mate, and yes, this isn't the first comparison that's been made

The fact that a no deal would be so harmful to the UK (and relatively only a minor annoyance to the rest of the EU) is exactly why Brexit is such a terrible idea, because the EU is in a far far far stronger position for negotiating an exit deal.

I'd question the hell out of that, but you'd probably end up including Queen songs in your reasoning or something and telling me I was being absurd for not considering it

The Trooper is the best Maiden song ever and if you don't think so, well, all I can say is you're *just* the kind of guy who doesn't appreciate blue passports.
Tsk, honestly. Daft Brexit predictions about aviation no longer being possible in the northern hemisphere or whatever are one thing, but this is quite another. Whatever next!

Run to the Hills or GTFO

"It's a good answer but it's not right"

EDIT: soz for the big picture/bandwidth there

Not often I get to say this, but I agree with Cavey. Well, about 'The Trooper' anyway.

Man I am *on fire* of late.... Pete, Mark and now devilman too.
We really are doomed, it's an omen.