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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 16:51 
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Yeah, we ‘sorely miss’ Blair about as much as piles.

Most hated and reviled man in Britain, bar none. Rightly so IMO. Twat.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Uh oh, is this the horseshoe theory?

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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That must be why the current government are wiping their arse on the good Friday agreement.

Can't wait for them to eradicate minimum wage.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Can't wait for them to eradicate minimum wage.

No need. Just sit around with your thumbs up your arse while a housing crisis brews and inflation rises, driving up the cost of living to the point where the minimum wage loses all meaning because it's not longer enough to live on. Bish bash bosh, say hello to the hottest new strata of society: the working poor! Work two zero-hour jobs and still rely on a food bank to feed your kids on the days your "employers" don't deign to call upon you. It's a modern utopia for the one percent, my good friend! If you're not part of them, well, what are you waiting for? Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps! Or are you too feckless and lazy, hmmm?


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Aye, I agree entirely, but if the tories actually thought it was a bad idea they would have officially eradicated it rather than destroying the economy in order to fuck over the poor. They obviously believe in it in principal.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
LewieP wrote:
Can't wait for them to eradicate minimum wage.

No need. Just sit around with your thumbs up your arse while a housing crisis brews and inflation rises, driving up the cost of living to the point where the minimum wage loses all meaning because it's not longer enough to live on. Bish bash bosh, say hello to the hottest new strata of society: the working poor! Work two zero-hour jobs and still rely on a food bank to feed your kids on the days your "employers" don't deign to call upon you. It's a modern utopia for the one percent, my good friend! If you're not part of them, well, what are you waiting for? Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps! Or are you too feckless and lazy, hmmm?

How would centrism help this exactly? Blair was just as much in thrall to the City as the Tories are.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Perhaps they fear there are some limits in their ability to get people to vote against their own interests.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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How would centrism help this exactly? Blair was just as much in thrall to the City as the Tories are.

Under Blair we went from no minimum wage to a meaningful one. Seems like that was a step forward to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
How would centrism help this exactly? Blair was just as much in thrall to the City as the Tories are.

Under Blair we went from no minimum wage to a meaningful one. Seems like that was a step forward to me.

What worked at one period or another doesn't necessarily work in another. See capitalism for example.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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If Blair was so much "in thrall to the banks", why did he push for minimum wage, to considerable controversy at the time? Businesses where heavily opposed as I recall.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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You act like the minimum wage was some kind of panacea. It was a good first step, but we've gone backwards since then.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Lack of wage increases and zero hour contracts have bugger all to do with the City. You can thank retail and the service sector for the majority of that.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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No, I said it was a good step made against significant opposition. I don't believe I said it was a panacea. So it seems we are in agreement, good.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
How would centrism help this exactly? Blair was just as much in thrall to the City as the Tories are.

Under Blair we went from no minimum wage to a meaningful one. Seems like that was a step forward to me.


Currently, due to the living wage and a surplus of jobs, getting people to come in day after day is a pain as there's less hassle work.available for same money.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Lack of wage increases and zero hour contracts have bugger all to do with the City. You can thank retail and the service sector for the majority of that.

I blame capitalism as a whole.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Lonewolves wrote:
Cras wrote:
Lack of wage increases and zero hour contracts have bugger all to do with the City. You can thank retail and the service sector for the majority of that.

I blame capitalism as a whole.

We should stop that somehow.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I’m off the gym methinks


Please work on the twitch fibres as when the Glorious Day comes they are considered the tastiest.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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So, what is everyone's predictions for the actual state of Brexit come March 2019?

MOST LIKELY BY A WIDE MARGIN: a transition period that is very similar or identical to where we are today, with no significant progress made on answering the burning questions about how Brexit is actually going to work. [1] Most of the hard questions still outstanding, so kick the can down the road for 2-3 years, maybe even into the next Parliament. This might be constructed as an extension of the Article 50 notice period, rather than a formal transition agreement, in order to make it politically more palatable but it's very similar in practice.

LESS LIKELY: a cliff-edge crash out onto WTO rules. Becomes significantly more likely if May faces a leadership challenge, as we're then much more likely to see a hard Brexit fan like Rees-Mogg, Fox, Davis [2], Johnson [3], or the like elevated. The voices in the Tory party that might bring some sense to the EU negotiations -- like Ruth Davidson or even (fucking hell) Rudd -- will stay well clear of the poisioned chalice of leadership at this point. Varying degrees of disruption to everyday life depending on how many of the details of things like Clear Skies, Euratom, customs inspections for imports, etc have been resolved but the general consensus is it's already too late to implement most of them properly so the amount of disruption starts at "serious" and goes up.

EVEN LESS LIKELY: actual meaningful progress towards a shared understanding between the UK, the EU, and the UK electorate about what Brexit looks like ie. answers to the stuff in [1].

EVEN LESS LIKELY AGAIN: shared understanding and broad agreement from the stakeholders.

EVEN LESS LIKELY AGAIN: cancelling the whole thing.

TOTALLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN: a formal, final agreement that wraps the whole thing up, trade, immigration, the works. The "easiest deal in the world" as one of our fucking stupid ministers put it. I can't even be bothered to look up who because it's too depressing.

MOST LIKELY OF ALL: extended periods of heavy drinking and light sobbing from anyone with half a clue.

[1] In other words squaring circles like:
a) are we going to have a customs union, and will we be in or out of the Single Market?
b) how is the NI border going to work
c) how are we going to replace our significant goods trade deficit
d) are we going to let our services trade surplus be cut off
e) are we going to continue to be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ
f) are we going to pay tens of billions in the "divorce settlement"
g) what the hell are we going to eat if we can't import EU food
h) what are we doing about the EU citizens who live here
etc etc. A lot of this amounts to "how many of May's idiotic redlines is she prepared to let go." She appears to be getting ready to blink on some of them, based on the press this week about paying the EU €40bn.

[2] fans on ideological grounds ie. fucking idiots

[3] possibly a fan because he is so obsessed with Churchill he needs a great enemy to make stirring speeches about, as that's much more glamorous than actually doing all the boring fiddly bits of politics, he's exactly that fucking shallow, and the EU is all he's got to rhetoricise about.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 18:19 
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What the good Dr said.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 18:21 
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https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status ... 7064273921




Sobering watching. We're certainly not getting any sort of Brexit that will satisfy these Leave voters, which kinda makes you wonder what the fucking point is.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I just realised we are one week short of six months since the Article 50 notification was issued. In 25% of the precious notice period, we have made pretty much 0% progress in the most crucial negotiations of, I dunno, a decade? Our lifetimes? Somewhere inbetween? Pretty important, anyway. Good job, government. You're nailing this.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/921330517064273921

Sobering watching. We're certainly not getting any sort of Brexit that will satisfy Leave voters, which kinda makes you wonder what the fucking point is.


The real punch line is that any deal with the sub continent will be dependent on loosening visas into GB.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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The real punch line is that any deal with the sub continent will be dependent on loosening visas into GB.

A very large number of Leave voters were sold a very large lie, and they swallowed it whole, and I can't see it ending well when they realise the reality won't be remotely close to what they thought they were getting.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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g) what the hell are we going to eat if we can't import EU food
h) what are we doing about the EU citizens who live here


Paging Jonathan Swift ...


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Lonewolves wrote:
You act like the minimum wage was some kind of panacea. It was a good first step, but we've gone backwards since then.


So you're saying that 'Blairism' made better steps towards helping people and successive Tory governments have been worse for poor people?

So against his hated centrist ways...

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Lol, liberals

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Lol, liberals


Are you just attempting to be a cliche?

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