Taking the Brexit

asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

From the BBC....

Quote:

Andy asks: "When we leave the EU - will duty limits be reintroduced? For example, will we be restricted to just six bottles of wine being brought back from our trip to France?"
Unless there is an agreement in the negotiations, customs limits are likely to be reintroduced.
At the moment, the limits for bringing wine into the UK from outside the EU is four litres, which is just over five bottles

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Bet those fecking leavers didn't think about this did they??

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

asfish wrote:

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£120 billion wiped off the FTSE in one day

Markets don't like uncertainty by all accounts, does make you think who is running all of this and how clever they are.

The outcome of this referendum has been 52\48 for most of the time, so not like the "market" couldn't have predicted this.

All that 120 Billion will be back on the FTSE is a few months

It's been 52/48 the other way. Why do you think the pound surged before results started coming in? Banks had exit polls that were suggesting remain right up until the last minute. This is the largest one day fall in sterling in recorded history, and a larger FTSE collapse than the banking crisis. But okay - it'll be back in a few months. Right.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Quite. DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

Goddess Jasmine · **Posted:** Fri Jun 24, 2016 22:09

Farage has a rubbery face and Boris loos like Matt Lucas in a wig.

I don't think this is real, it's a parody created by Spitting Image.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25628

Have this pair of ___ ever been seen in the same place at the same time?

Pundabaya · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5016

....could Boris be Trump's illegitimate son? putting them side by side like that... its uncanny.

Goddess Jasmine · **Posted:** Fri Jun 24, 2016 22:22

*shudder*

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Jun 24, 2016 22:53

Pundabaya wrote:

....could Boris be Trump's illegitimate son? putting them side by side like that... its uncanny.

You wouldn't say that if you saw Boris's dad on TV today. He's just an old Boris!

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jun 24, 2016 23:50

Mimi wrote:

Have this pair of ___ ever been seen in the same place at the same time?

Don't forget the Dutch PM too.

Grim... · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:03

"Australia has had five prime ministers in five years, the poor yanks look as though they'll have to choose between two options both of which have more disapproval than approval, and the UK leaves the EU. It seems like a ridiculous amount of instability. One might even call it absurd.

But it's not surprising.

You can't feed a society exaggeration, hyperbole and propaganda for over a decade, and then claim surprise when people don't seem to be making rational decisions on the basis of well established truth.

There's a cost associated with not telling the truth. There's a cost associated with polarized, adversarial public discourse. There's a cost associated with media more concerned with profits than the public interest.

It is, apparently, time to pay the piper."

Anonymous X · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2046

Lonewolves wrote:

Mimi wrote:

Have this pair of ___ ever been seen in the same place at the same time?

Don't forget the Dutch PM too.

You're confusing Mark Rutte (Dutch PM, Liberal) with Geert Wilders (not the Dutch PM, far-right), I think.

myp · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:42

Anonymous X wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

Mimi wrote:

Have this pair of ___ ever been seen in the same place at the same time?

Don't forget the Dutch PM too.

You're confusing Mark Rutte (Dutch PM, Liberal) with Geert Wilders (not the Dutch PM, far-right), I think.

Yep!

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25628

Oh no, Geert Wilders looks more like one of the Malfoys

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25628

The Loom I wanted to buy must be sourced at point of purchase as I have been wanting it for ages but yesterday made an 'impressive, brave and wonderful' (my thoughts) step towards something good, and so finally maybe did deserve it, but the price was put up yesterday by nearly a third, so my prize has moved away from me again.

Brexit!!!!

Even if the exchange rate steadies itself, I bet the uk seller doesn't drop that back down. SADFACE.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25628

So, when do you reckon we'll stop paying vat on digital downloads?

Goddess Jasmine · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:41

Mimi wrote:

The Loom I wanted to buy must be sourced at point of purchase as I have been wanting it for ages but yesterday made an 'impressive, brave and wonderful' (my thoughts) step towards something good, and so finally maybe did deserve it, but the price was put up yesterday by nearly a third, so my prize has moved away from me again.

Brexit!!!!

Even if the exchange rate steadies itself, I bet the uk seller doesn't drop that back down. SADFACE.

Did you go to the post box?!

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16570

Just feel fucking furious about this today it's just absolutely shameful. Can't stop thinking that my daughter's future has probably been flushed down the toilet by the right wing. Fuck them all.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:47

Mimi wrote:

So, when do you reckon we'll stop paying vat on digital downloads?

Paying for digital downloads?! :DD

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38478

Right! Bright side time!

Cameron's quit!
The EU haven't been pissy with us, so it might be an amicable divorce.

Anything else?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

I'm calling it. There will be no leaving the EU. Boris will get in as PM, then will start 'negotiations'. Will persuade country that he's achieved powerful concessions, Article 50 will never be triggered.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13385

Decent piece here I thought, along the lines of what I said earlier in the thread whereby I was musing that Boris that wasn't actually expecting Leave to win.

A pyrrhic victory? Boris Johnson wakes up to the costs of Brexit.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -of-brexit

Quote:

One group of Tory remainers watching the speech on TV jeered out loud when a rather pale Johnson said leaving Europe needn’t mean pulling up the drawbridge; that this epic victory for Nigel Farage could somehow “take the wind out of the sails” of anyone playing politics with immigration. Too late for all that now, one said.

The scariest possibility, however, is that he actually meant it. That like most of Westminster, Johnson always imagined we’d grudgingly vote to stay in the end. That he too missed the anger bubbling beneath the surface, and is now as shocked as anyone else by what has happened.

“People talk about reluctant remainers, but I think there have been a lot of reluctant Brexiters around, people who voted leave thinking it wouldn’t happen but they’d be able to vent and to tell all their friends at dinner parties they’d done it,” said one Tory minister.

“He thought what all those reluctant Brexiters thought: it would be a vote for remain, he would be seen as having stood up for a principle.” After which leave’s newest martyr could simply have bided his time for a year or so before being triumphantly installed in Downing Street.

MaliA · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:07

markg wrote:

Just feel fucking furious about this today it's just absolutely shameful. Can't stop thinking that my daughter's future has probably been flushed down the toilet by the right wing. Fuck them all.

And the anti EU left like Skinner, Fields, Galloway. And labour's complete failure to engage and get any form of message across.

MaliA · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:09

You could probably trace this chain of events back to the "no more money" note.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13385

Cras wrote:

I'm calling it. There will be no leaving the EU. Boris will get in as PM, then will start 'negotiations'. Will persuade country that he's achieved powerful concessions, Article 50 will never be triggered.

I'm minded to agree, all it'd take is a few major employers signalling their intentions to up sticks to elsewhere in Europe, tens if not hundreds of thousands of jobs in peril (the major car manufacturers would be an obvious one, citing the added cost an uncertainty of doing business in a separate UK), the reality of what a lack of freedom and employment will really look like - basically just all the stuff that sounded really boring coming from the Remain campaign but when it starts to be crystallised into an imminent reality will, all of a sudden, become incredibly interesting.

I mean, you've got the entire country of Wales just voted to fuck itself, as it's a massive net beneficiary from the EU, once it's explained REALLY CAREFULLY to the idiots what they've voted for and what their new STRONG AND INDEPENDENT world will really look like (bankrupt, mostly), opinions will surely shift.

I guess it might just be wishful thinking, but I definitely think it's possible that the UK remains in the EU. You can certainly imagine how it might play out. The alternative is a bit too horrible to believe might come about, I suppose.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16570

MaliA wrote:

markg wrote:

Just feel fucking furious about this today it's just absolutely shameful. Can't stop thinking that my daughter's future has probably been flushed down the toilet by the right wing. Fuck them all.

And the anti EU left like Skinner, Fields, Galloway. And labour's complete failure to engage and get any form of message across.

Most Labour voters were Remain and most Tories were Leave. The whole stupid fucking idea was a Tory manifesto pledge, then the right wing press whipped up anti-EU fervour. Labour's failure to engage with a few more of their voters does not take much share of the blame for this away from the Tories.

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:23

Well, it is one way to stop immigration. Shaft your economy, and hence remove the reason they'd want to come.

Big sighs.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16570

Went to the pub last night. Was asking someone why they'd voted Leave.

"all the EU legislation"

"such as"

"straight bananas"

No word of a fucking lie :blown:

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

I can't see Johnson being willing to surrender an assured full term as PM in order to save the UK from leaving the EU.

If securing a better deal was on the cards, I am unconvinced that he would take it.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16570

Who knows what that cunt will do. He's a completely unprincipled liar. At least Cameron was just a fucking idiot.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:34

Cras wrote:

I'm calling it. There will be no leaving the EU. Boris will get in as PM, then will start 'negotiations'. Will persuade country that he's achieved powerful concessions, Article 50 will never be triggered.

I agree, was saying that yesterday.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16570

Cras wrote:

I'm calling it. There will be no leaving the EU. Boris will get in as PM, then will start 'negotiations'. Will persuade country that he's achieved powerful concessions, Article 50 will never be triggered.

Won't work, they have no control over the unpleasantness they used to grab power. You'd have Farage going mental in the press, not to mention a massive rebellion from his own party.

myp · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:41

Ian Paisley Jr is telling Norn Irons to get an Irish passport. What is this world

KovacsC · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:46

markg wrote:

Cras wrote:

I'm calling it. There will be no leaving the EU. Boris will get in as PM, then will start 'negotiations'. Will persuade country that he's achieved powerful concessions, Article 50 will never be triggered.

Won't work, they have no control over the unpleasantness they used to grab power. You'd have Farage going mental in the press, not to mention a massive rebellion from his own party.

They can have him shot....

MaliA · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:54

markg wrote:

MaliA wrote:

markg wrote:

Just feel fucking furious about this today it's just absolutely shameful. Can't stop thinking that my daughter's future has probably been flushed down the toilet by the right wing. Fuck them all.

And the anti EU left like Skinner, Fields, Galloway. And labour's complete failure to engage and get any form of message across.

Most Labour voters were Remain and most Tories were Leave. The whole stupid fucking idea was a Tory manifesto pledge, then the right wing press whipped up anti-EU fervour. Labour's failure to engage with a few more of their voters does not take much share of the blame for this away from the Tories.

More than 1 in 3 Labour voters wanted out

myp · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:55

MaliA wrote:

markg wrote:

MaliA wrote:

markg wrote:

Just feel fucking furious about this today it's just absolutely shameful. Can't stop thinking that my daughter's future has probably been flushed down the toilet by the right wing. Fuck them all.

And the anti EU left like Skinner, Fields, Galloway. And labour's complete failure to engage and get any form of message across.

Most Labour voters were Remain and most Tories were Leave. The whole stupid fucking idea was a Tory manifesto pledge, then the right wing press whipped up anti-EU fervour. Labour's failure to engage with a few more of their voters does not take much share of the blame for this away from the Tories.

More than 1 in 3 Labour voters wanted out

Which means a clear majority (almost 2:1) wanted to remain.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16570

Yes.

hrug

Edit: in reply to Mali

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

MaliA wrote:

And labour's complete failure to engage and get any form of message across.

Ashcroft shows 63% of Labour voters voting Remain (in line with the party leader), vs 58% of Conservative voters voting Leave (against the party leader.) Is that reasonably described as a "complete failure"?

A Conservative government promised this referendum to shore up Conservative voters defecting to a party most made up of disaffected ex-Conservatives. The campaign's leading figures on both sides were Conservatives. You can argue all you like about what the left did do and didn't do and should have done, but it was a sideshow here; this situation is thoroughly of the Conservative party's making.

Cavey · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:03

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

MaliA wrote:

And labour's complete failure to engage and get any form of message across.

Ashcroft shows 63% of Labour voters voting Remain (in line with the party leader), vs 58% of Conservative voters voting Leave (against the party leader.) Is that reasonably described as a "complete failure"?

A Conservative government promised this referendum to shore up Conservative voters defecting to a party most made up of disaffected ex-Conservatives. The campaign's leading figures on both sides were Conservatives. You can argue all you like about what the left did do and didn't do and should have done, but it was a sideshow here; this situation is thoroughly of the Conservative party's making.

Sometimes you've just got to take it on the chin. Sorry.

MaliA · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:05

Lonewolves wrote:

MaliA wrote:

markg wrote:

MaliA wrote:

markg wrote:

Just feel fucking furious about this today it's just absolutely shameful. Can't stop thinking that my daughter's future has probably been flushed down the toilet by the right wing. Fuck them all.

And the anti EU left like Skinner, Fields, Galloway. And labour's complete failure to engage and get any form of message across.

Most Labour voters were Remain and most Tories were Leave. The whole stupid fucking idea was a Tory manifesto pledge, then the right wing press whipped up anti-EU fervour. Labour's failure to engage with a few more of their voters does not take much share of the blame for this away from the Tories.

More than 1 in 3 Labour voters wanted out

Which means a clear majority (almost 2:1) wanted to remain.

It's wrong to blame the tories/right when over a third of labour voted leave and the party did no canoaigning at all

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

Got to love those 4% UKIP voters that want to remain in Europe.

Presumably their position is that they want to be in the EU for economic reasons, and are only UKIP supporters for the racism.

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

The numbers would look worse for labour if you split the UKIP vote (England is and never has been a three party state, it was 2+protest for the past two elections) between 'natural' labour/conservative voters. However that would have an even greater negative impact on the tories position.

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

LewieP wrote:

Got to love those 4% UKIP voters that want to remain in Europe.

Presumably their position is that they want to be in the EU for economic reasons, and are only UKIP supporters for the racism.

My parents are in that 4%. They only voted UKIP at the general because they were the only party that opposed HS2, which will go past the end of their garden.

MaliA · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:13

I think, really, there was an attitude of a sure thing to remain on the left, they didn't step up and due to their inaction lost the vote. It wasn't an anazing victory for Leave, it was a collapse of the left. Their complacency was the undoung of it all.

myp · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:13

Cavey wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

MaliA wrote:

And labour's complete failure to engage and get any form of message across.

Ashcroft shows 63% of Labour voters voting Remain (in line with the party leader), vs 58% of Conservative voters voting Leave (against the party leader.) Is that reasonably described as a "complete failure"?

A Conservative government promised this referendum to shore up Conservative voters defecting to a party most made up of disaffected ex-Conservatives. The campaign's leading figures on both sides were Conservatives. You can argue all you like about what the left did do and didn't do and should have done, but it was a sideshow here; this situation is thoroughly of the Conservative party's making.

Sometimes you've just got to take it on the chin. Sorry.

Wow

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16570

MaliA wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

MaliA wrote:

markg wrote:

MaliA wrote:

markg wrote:

Just feel fucking furious about this today it's just absolutely shameful. Can't stop thinking that my daughter's future has probably been flushed down the toilet by the right wing. Fuck them all.

And the anti EU left like Skinner, Fields, Galloway. And labour's complete failure to engage and get any form of message across.

Most Labour voters were Remain and most Tories were Leave. The whole stupid fucking idea was a Tory manifesto pledge, then the right wing press whipped up anti-EU fervour. Labour's failure to engage with a few more of their voters does not take much share of the blame for this away from the Tories.

More than 1 in 3 Labour voters wanted out

Which means a clear majority (almost 2:1) wanted to remain.

It's wrong to blame the tories/right when over a third of labour voted leave and the party did no canoaigning at all

It really isn't. And nor is it even accurate to suggest that they did no campaigning at all. I very much doubt that anything the Labour party could have done or said would have made much difference in the face of the lies of the right wing Leave campaign and the Murdoch press.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16570

A more conciliatory tone will be needed at some point in order to move forwards but I'm not feeling it right now, not even a little bit.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:18

MaliA wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

MaliA wrote:

markg wrote:

MaliA wrote:

markg wrote:

Just feel fucking furious about this today it's just absolutely shameful. Can't stop thinking that my daughter's future has probably been flushed down the toilet by the right wing. Fuck them all.

And the anti EU left like Skinner, Fields, Galloway. And labour's complete failure to engage and get any form of message across.

Most Labour voters were Remain and most Tories were Leave. The whole stupid fucking idea was a Tory manifesto pledge, then the right wing press whipped up anti-EU fervour. Labour's failure to engage with a few more of their voters does not take much share of the blame for this away from the Tories.

More than 1 in 3 Labour voters wanted out

Which means a clear majority (almost 2:1) wanted to remain.

It's wrong to blame the tories/right when over a third of labour voted leave and the party did no canoaigning at all

Are you mental? Labour did a ton of campaigning! Corbyn was doing multiple events every single day, as were a load of others.

Just nobody reported on them because it was a boring story.

Anonymous X · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2046

MaliA wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

MaliA wrote:

markg wrote:

MaliA wrote:

markg wrote:

Just feel fucking furious about this today it's just absolutely shameful. Can't stop thinking that my daughter's future has probably been flushed down the toilet by the right wing. Fuck them all.

And the anti EU left like Skinner, Fields, Galloway. And labour's complete failure to engage and get any form of message across.

Most Labour voters were Remain and most Tories were Leave. The whole stupid fucking idea was a Tory manifesto pledge, then the right wing press whipped up anti-EU fervour. Labour's failure to engage with a few more of their voters does not take much share of the blame for this away from the Tories.

More than 1 in 3 Labour voters wanted out

Which means a clear majority (almost 2:1) wanted to remain.

It's wrong to blame the tories/right when over a third of labour voted leave and the party did no canoaigning at all

Strongly agree with MaliA. The Labour leadership messed up massively. Corbyn deserves to be considered the worst and most destructive Labour leader since Ramsay MacDonald.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:

LewieP wrote:

Got to love those 4% UKIP voters that want to remain in Europe.

Presumably their position is that they want to be in the EU for economic reasons, and are only UKIP supporters for the racism.

My parents are in that 4%. They only voted UKIP at the general because they were the only party that opposed HS2, which will go past the end of their garden.

Not the kind of "Not in our back yard" I've had expected!

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13385

I'm loving this alternative reality where somehow we get to try and blame the Labour party for this. I have to admire your chutzpah MaliA but planet earth is calling.....

Corbyn wasn't exactly inspirational, but then again he never is and it's well known he was one of the 'reluctant' Remainers anyway so he campaigned about as well as might be expected. And after all, he never called the fucking referendum in the first place just to appease the febrile lunatics in his party.

The Labour party as a whole however did plenty of Remain campaigning, but as has been noted it wasn't much reported on as it was seen as boring and concerned very much with those dull 'fact' things.

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