Taking the Brexit

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:53

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analy ... reaucratic

This is good

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

"comment analy" sounds about right.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Apr 11, 2018 14:31

MaliA wrote:

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2018/04/10/brexit-nightmares-britain-is-about-to-face-the-bureaucratic

This is good

Yes. What's disappointing is I've yet to see any evidence that those wanting to leave have either considered this or have solutions. I also see little point in writing yet again to my MP saying 'have you thought about this?' because based on previous responses I'm not going to get an informative reply unless the mood in her local party starts shifting I doubt it'd do anything. The joys of safe seats.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Apr 11, 2018 15:05

Hey, here's another entry for our on-going list of 'the Benefits of Brexit':

Fondue.

This is Oxfordshire wrote:

A REVIVAL of the 1970's dinner party classic the cheese fondue could be down to Remainers longing to bond with the rest of Europe, an Oxford professor has claimed.

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6507

Kern wrote:

Hey, here's another entry for our on-going list of 'the Benefits of Brexit':

Fondue.

This is Oxfordshire wrote:

A REVIVAL of the 1970's dinner party classic the cheese fondue could be down to Remainers longing to bond with the rest of Europe, an Oxford professor has claimed.

Everyone knows that Fondue is just a invention of the Swiss Cheese Mafia

Zardoz · **Posted:** Wed Apr 11, 2018 15:39

God Damn, Nicky Santoro, again...

Sir Taxalot · **Joined:** 5th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 4668

Squirt wrote:

Swiss Cheese Mafia

Talented guys then, they mad some fucking banging choons too, lad.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

I know most of my posts here are just me being flabbergasted by idiot Brexiteers but, seriously, look at the state of this

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/9 ... 3072117760

A classic of the "people who want out of the EU complaining about the consequences of leaving the EU" genre pic.twitter.com/4xVLxwNN8o
— James Felton (@JimMFelton) April 26, 2018

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38458

Absolute morons.

GazChap · **Posted:** Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:36

Presumably they also kicked up a stink when the US introduced their ESTA system.

Oh.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Apr 26, 2018 13:01

Pssst... have they found out about the possible return of roaming charges yet? Should we tell them?

myp · **Posted:** Thu Apr 26, 2018 13:08

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

I know most of my posts here are just me being flabbergasted by idiot Brexiteers but, seriously, look at the state of this

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/9 ... 3072117760

A classic of the "people who want out of the EU complaining about the consequences of leaving the EU" genre pic.twitter.com/4xVLxwNN8o
— James Felton (@JimMFelton) April 26, 2018

The Daily Mail knows what it's doing. It's just another way of painting the EU as bullies and reinforces Leavers views that they were right to get out.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed May 09, 2018 8:31

Their Lordships have voted to keep the UK in the EEA and the single market. I really hope Labour get their act together and keep these things in the bill when it returns to the Commons. I mean, if spring can finally arrive this year, anything is worth hoping for.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Labour really need to get a proper Brexit policy sorted, this deliberate man-in-the-middle approach where they don't really say anything doesn't work any more, even though it worked out nicely at the last general election as a one-off.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16557

They do although it would be easier to formulate a policy opposing the government's policy if the government actually had a policy themselves.

Months to go now and they have No. Fucking. Clue. what they're even going to try and get. It's absolutely unbelievable. They fucked us once in calling the referendum and now they're fucking us again by not even displaying even the slightest bit of coherence in carrying it out. Still, it's all Gordon Brown's and Jeremy Corbyn's faults.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed May 09, 2018 11:42

The ever-reliable Ian Dunt has a good post today about the EEA and it contains a good critique of Labour's position.

Quote:

If anything, the Labour position is less rational than the Tory one (quite a feat) because the EU are making state aid a condition of the final Brexit deal regardless of whether we are in the single market or not. So Labour is rejecting a single market deal because it involves a condition which they'd anyway sign away when they agreed to a deal outside the single market. It is madness.

There's always some good that comes out of bad things (mostly... I mean, the heat death of the universe will at least spare us another Ed Sheeran LP), and for Brexit one of the 'goods' is Ian Dunt's writings. I don't think I'd ever heard of him until now, but he's written some really good overviews of Brexit and the complexities of untangling ourselves.

Findus Fop · **Joined:** 14th May, 2009 **Posts:** 4299

Kern wrote:

The ever-reliable Ian Dunt has a good post today about the EEA and it contains a good critique of Labour's position.

Quote:

If anything, the Labour position is less rational than the Tory one (quite a feat) because the EU are making state aid a condition of the final Brexit deal regardless of whether we are in the single market or not. So Labour is rejecting a single market deal because it involves a condition which they'd anyway sign away when they agreed to a deal outside the single market. It is madness.

There's always some good that comes out of bad things (mostly... I mean, the heat death of the universe will at least spare us another Ed Sheeran LP), and for Brexit one of the 'goods' is Ian Dunt's writings. I don't think I'd ever heard of him until now, but he's written some really good overviews of Brexit and the complexities of untangling ourselves.

That should be his Twitter sig. "The best thing about Brexit."

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Maybe if the PM writes down some mutually incompatible ideas again while wishing really, really hard then it'll somehow mean something this time?

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 9089255424

PM sets out 3 Brexit â€œtestsâ€ ahead of Cabinet Customs crunch:
1. protect Union/ no hard border with Ireland
2. â€œAs little friction as possibleâ€ in trade for â€œintegrated supply chainsâ€ ie car
3. â€œMust not constrainâ€ free trade deals with other countrieshttps://t.co/xOhF4RJqQA pic.twitter.com/Tk9Nmezsj5
— Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) May 13, 2018

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16557

What a fucking idiot. Her first wish should have been infinite wishes.

JBR · **Joined:** 2nd Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 3214

The 'friction' one is a good one*. In that it's very hard to define, and you can spend hours arguing over whether a new process involves friction, how much, and whether it's too much.

*Meaningless

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Outstanding, as ever:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... e-of-lords

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Well well.

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/9 ... 7792711680

FINANCIAL TIMES: May concedes on tie to customs union until Irish border resolved #tomorrowspaperstoday pic.twitter.com/aaC0T7jLD1
— Neil Henderson (@hendopolis) May 17, 2018

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2018 6:22

She has taken back so much control.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2018 14:05

MaliA wrote:

She has taken back so much control.

This is the Maggie Simpson model.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2018 13:43

Mark Carney, governor of the Bank of England, has said that British households are more than £900 worse off following the Brexit vote, so far.

Yay! Taking back control!

myp · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2018 14:30

Curiosity wrote:

Mark Carney, governor of the Bank of England, has said that British households are more than £900 worse off following the Brexit vote, so far.

Yay! Taking back control!

Brexiteers will say they don't care. It's the price for freedom and independence etc.

TheVision · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2018 15:19

I've got to be honest, I don't feel any more free now than I did this time last year. Or the year before. Or the year before that. :shrug:

myp · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2018 16:42

TheVision wrote:

I've got to be honest, I don't feel any more free now than I did this time last year. Or the year before. Or the year before that. :shrug:

Yes, but you're not deluding yourself on a grand scale.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2018 9:38

The Commons Select Committee on leaving the EU has published a review of progress over the last few months.

How do they think the Government are handling this?

Hilary Benn wrote:

Twenty-three months after the referendum and fourteen months since the triggering of Article 50, we still don't know what the UK's future relationship with the EU will be on trade, services, security, defence, consumer safety, data, broadcasting rights and many other things.

The clock is now running down and Parliament will need clarity and certainty by the time it is asked to vote on a draft withdrawal agreement in the autumn. We wait to see whether the promised white paper next month will provide it."

Strong and stable, eh readers?

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:30

Oh dear. This is truly the moment the Brexit Secretary jumps the shark.

Guardian wrote:

Northern Ireland could be given joint EU and UK status and a “buffer zone” on its border with Ireland, under new plans being drawn up by David Davis, according to reports.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Somebody made the simple yet perfect 'bluffer zone' comment earlier.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:20

The DUP won’t be happy with NI being treated differently from the rest of the UK!

Unless it’s about abortion or anything else they get upset about. In that case they definitely want to be different.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:25

Would another billion pounds change their mind?

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:13

One day for the Commons to debate their Lordships' amendment to the Withdrawal Bill. Boy, I love how Parliament are exercising their new found freedoms and finally taking control.

I'd write to my MP but I can't find a calm form of words and I don't think people respond well to being told they're not very good at their job.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Ah, Britain, the Mother of Parliaments, inheritor of hundreds of years of grand democratic tradition, and staffed by dignified intellectuals.

NARRATOR: it wasn't.

https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/statu ... 9885836288

David Davis is ex SAS Heâ€™s trained to survive. Heâ€™s also trained to take people out. #Brexit
— Nadine Dorries (@NadineDorries) June 7, 2018

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Favourite reply on that thread

"He's barely sufficiently trained to take out the Downing Street bins"

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Jesus wept, how had I never seen this before

https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/stat ... 4934184961

This is absolutely real: David Davis, in 2002, tells MPs why referendums can go badly wrong. "We should not ask people to vote on a blank sheet of paper, and tell them to trust us to fill in the details afterwards..."
https://t.co/ypshyJrby2 pic.twitter.com/QjJ0wKOgiM
— Michael Deacon (@MichaelPDeacon) December 13, 2017

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/poli ... hardliners

Dunt, as usual, is pithy good value on just how stuck May is.

JBR · **Joined:** 2nd Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 3214

I wanted to write something about how the vote has limited options, or seemed to, for the whole political system. But then I was distracted by

Quote:

accept the backstop and reach around the back end

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:58

Her Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs demonstrating an attitude towards Ireland that's got Britain a poor reputation throughout history:

Guardian wrote:

Johnson’s views were laid bare in the secret recording in which he criticised the significance the Irish border issue has taken on in the negotiations with Brussels.
“It’s so small and there are so few firms that actually use that border regularly, it’s just beyond belief that we’re allowing the tail to wag the dog in this way. We’re allowing the whole of our agenda to be dictated by this folly,” he said.

Because, Mr Johnson, 20 years of peace after essentially a forty-year long civil war is actually something worth keeping.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

It is beyond parody that he hasn't been fired.

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:47

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

It is beyond parody that he hasn't been fired.

He can't be fired, otherwise he'll topple May and attempt to take her place. She knows this.

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6507

It's almost as if Ireland are part of some sort of "union' of countries, who have all promised to look out for each other, and therefore can't be ridden roughshod over by larger neighbours.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10074

It is all starting to seem a bit like the handbasket is already in hell and the quantum state is just trying to settle on how many of us are in Schroedinger's box with the cat.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2018 21:20

I assume you're not buying direct from Land Rover?

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Jun 11, 2018 16:14

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business ... ssion=true

Discovery production to leave Brum.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:38

Phillip Lee MP, a justice minister has resigned his ministerial post.
Interesting statement, of the 'not saying Brexit's a bad idea, but what we're doing is bad' school of ambivalence. Wonder how many more will find their spines over the next few months?

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:42

Quote:

If,in the future, I am to look my children in the eye and honestly say that I did my best for them I cannot, in all good conscience, support how our country’s exit from the EU looks set to be delivered.

That is well put.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16557

tl:dr "what an absolute bollocks. Fuck this."

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:08

Check out @campbellclaret’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/stat ... 8971753472

As opposed to destroying a country on false pretences you muppet https://t.co/yNGOzhospB
— Alastair Campbell (@campbellclaret) June 12, 2018

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