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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 13:40 
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He backtracked from that position very quickly afterwards:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48525211

Not that anything he does or says is any guarantee of the future position of the US. There's shedloads of money to be made from fucking the NHS up so they'll almost certainly try; it largely then depends on whether those in power in the UK let them. In a sane world they'd get told to GTFF but Torys are almost certainly gonna Tory. I predict they'll crack it open just far enough to let the fuckers slither inside while appearing to have mostly pushed back. Ten year from now they'll have gradually hollowed the entire thing out, it'll be NHS in name only and everyone's quality of life will take a massive kick in the balls.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 14:21 
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I have a theory about what may have happened here.

"At a press conference in London on Tuesday, Mr Trump was asked whether he believed the NHS should be part of a trade deal between the UK and US after Brexit.".

We're all assuming that he knew what the NHS was at that point, but there's a better than even chance that he didn't, and just shot his mouth off in his usual way.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 14:30 
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That theory could be tested quite easily by a journalist.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 14:41 
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I have a theory about what may have happened here.

"At a press conference in London on Tuesday, Mr Trump was asked whether he believed the NHS should be part of a trade deal between the UK and US after Brexit.".

We're all assuming that he knew what the NHS was at that point, but there's a better than even chance that he didn't, and just shot his mouth off in his usual way.


That's certainly possible. Or he was genuinely being bullish about it without having the slightest idea of the uproar it would cause because, again, ignorance.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 0:47 
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That's certainly possible. Or he was genuinely being bullish about it without having the slightest idea of the uproar it would cause because, again, ignorance.


Could be ignorance, but also might be because he genuinely doesn't give a fuck about this little island that looks suddenly vulnerable and there is PROFIT to be made by trampling all over little people.

I'm not sure how much of the uproar from all the other things (as hateful as these things seem to us) has really impacted on him. It's hard not to feel incredibly disaffected by all of this.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 18:09 
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Fuck: MPs reject Labour plan for no-deal vote https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48613921

Rory Stewart’s a devious git.
https://twitter.com/rorystewartuk/statu ... 4773724160



But he voted against the motion to try to prevent no-deal today. Because if that got through, he’d lose his USP as a leadership candidate?


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Fuck: MPs reject Labour plan for no-deal vote https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48613921

Rory Stewart’s a devious git.
https://twitter.com/rorystewartuk/statu ... 4773724160



But he voted against the motion to try to prevent no-deal today. Because if that got through, he’d lose his USP as a leadership candidate?

Because no tory member will be seen dead voting for a leadership candidate who’s dared to vote on a motion proposed by Corbyn.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 18:23 
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Indeed. I keep wishing people would do the right thing, instead of what’s best for their parliamentary career or party. I am a naive fool, I know.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:39 
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So under a third of the Conservative and Unionist Party are actually conservative or Unionist? Blimey.

The Jeremy Corbyn question raises an interesting scenario: Mr Johnson fails to get the Withdrawal Agreement through and the opposition call a vote of no-confidence. Would he push for revoke/referedum to avoid an election?

The problem with Mr Johnson being slippery and untrustworthy is it's hard to predict how he would behave, but I think his ego would stop him being forced out of Downing Street as an election loser.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:41 
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So under a third of the Conservative and Unionist Party are actually conservative or Unionist? Blimey.


And yes, you can match this with a "how much manual labour do Labour people do?" but I feel Unionism at least is a clear definable policy.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Yeah, its called, "Tory scum will be the first against the wall, come the revolution.'

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Just realised it's three years since I woke up and spent a morning extremely distressed and distraught. I'd booked a holiday a while before and had to be talked onto the train by my parents over the phone due to the state I was in. First time a political event has genuinely fucked me up. I remember having a very welcome set of beers in Paris that evening once I'd arrived and calmed down.

I still despair about the state of politics and society, and the utter failure of most MPs to really grapple with the issues. I've learnt far much more about the EU, trade rules, trade policy, Ireland, the constitution and parliamentary procedure in the past 36 months than I ever really knew about in the past, and it's stunning that senior politicians either refuse to discuss the grave problems with any form of Brexit or clearly don't even know about them.

On the plus side it's also provided the riveting two volumes of first-draft history by Tim Shipman (recommended!), the brilliance of the 'Remainiacs' show, and created a proper European movement in this country for the first time.

The fact that we are, for now, still in the EU is a sign of hope. I just fear it's going to get darker before we finally consign all this to the past.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:41 
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Your eyes aren't decieving you, Mr Corbyn did say this in the Commons yesterday:

Jeremy Corbyn wrote:
Will the Prime Minister tell us whether she believes that no deal should be on the table as a viable option? What would be worse: crashing out with no deal in October, or putting this issue back to the people for a final say?


Now the words have passed his lips once, perhaps he might find he has a taste for them and will, perhaps, start saying it again?


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:29 
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Here it is -- the most clear instance I've seen of hauling the Overton window towards "well, we had a no-deal Brexit and it was a disaster, but that was all the EU's fault." Which I suspect will become Johnson's position in the fullness of time.

https://twitter.com/anandMenon1/status/ ... 9665968128




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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:39 
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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And Natural Governance! None of that nasty Chaos With Ed Milliband for us, thank you very much.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:42 
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The irony, which Mrs May is right to point out, is that had Tory MPs voted differently earlier in the year we'd be out of the EU and into the transition period now. For that, I suppose we ought to thank them for their intransigence.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:26 
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This seems fine.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/ ... 0896741376



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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:14 
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https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status ... 1096322048




So to sum up:

If in opposition, Labour will commit to campaign for a second referendum, and will campaign in that referendum to remain. But if in power, Labour will commit to a second referendum, but appears to also want to strike a Labour Brexit deal; one assumes they will not then back remain in that second referendum. In fact I think it is unclear if remain would even be an option on that second referendum.

So the message to remain voters is clear: you want Labour to remain in opposition.

Masters of game theory, these Labour types.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:16 
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Well put Any objection if i nick that and send to my MP?

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Well put Any objection if i nick that and send to my MP?

None at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:19 
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more here

https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/ ... 7480152064




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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:56 
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Well put Any objection if i nick that and send to my MP?

None at all.


Ta. Sent a missive, mentioned the briefing paper wasn't much help.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 13:06 
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What happened to Mr Corbyn's "straight talking politics"? I don't think this is going to satisfy anyone. Too remainy for Leavers; too leavey for remainers. And both camps have probably drifted off to other parties now already.

I'd be open to know what a Labour Brexit would involve, but frankly the moment for a soft landing in the EEA passed a long time ago and based on their behaviour in the Commons I don't think they're going to go any further than the Customs Union. . I'm not sure the EU would be open to reopening talks on the Withdrawal Agreement either, so unless they are talking about the political agreement - on how things might work after we leave - it's not going to go anyway.

By the time Mr Corbyn reaches 'unconditional confirmatory vote' I think I'll be in at hard revoke, or even full-on Eurofederalism.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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EU has said the WA is as stands, I think

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I really don't think he is ready for delays at port when brexit happens.

https://twitter.com/stevedouble/status/ ... 0384537601


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Despite spending most of the morning on this, the best I can come up with is:

"Stop talking Deliveroo down!".


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Despite spending most of the morning on this, the best I can come up with is:

"Stop talking Deliveroo down, sport!".


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