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Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:55 ]
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Giphy "spits tea":
https://media3.giphy.com/media/vB3Fx3bWFOinC/giphy-loop.mp4

How much!?

Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:20 ]
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Yeesh.

Saw that the new Forza was £79.99 in town yesterday too.

Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:28 ]
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Although... if a AAA title from the early 90's cost £60 on cartridge format, that would be more than £100 in today's money.

Thanks, Obama!

Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:30 ]
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Streetfighter 2 has a lot to answer for.

When-I-wer-a-lad it was Mastertronic or nothing!*

*Tape your mates good stuff.

Author:  Findus Fop [ Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:53 ]
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Wasn't Pit Fighter monstrously expensive? Or am I simply misremembering its general monstrousness?

Author:  Satsuma [ Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:30 ]
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I had to check what extra you get for the Elite Deluxe version and the extra wonga you’ll be shelling out:-

Star Wars Battlefront II - Elite Trooper Deluxe Edition Includes...
The Star Wars Battlefront II: Elite Trooper Deluxe Edition also includes the Star Wars Battlefront II: The Last Jedi Heroes pack, including exclusive* outfits for Kylo Ren and Rey. Preorder to receive instant access to the epic tier of Yoda’s Lightsaber Mastery Star Card (while supplies last until September 25th 2017).

Pre-order your copy of Star Wars Battlefront II: Elite Trooper Deluxe Edition by Monday 13th November and get your copy up to 3 days early, from Tuesday 14th November. While stocks last.

KEY FEATURES FOR DELUXE EDITION ONLY:

1. Officer Upgrade Pack:

Blurrg-1120 + grip attachment and Epic Star Card ‘Battle Command Fortitude’

2. Heavy Upgrade Pack:

FWMB-10K + barrel vents attachment and Epic Star Card ‘Combat Shield’

3. Assault Upgrade Pack:

CR-2 + stock attachment and Epic Star Card ‘Thermal Detonator’

4. Specialist Upgrade Pack:

A280-CFE + scope attachment and Epic Star Card ‘Trip Mine’

5. Pre-order to receive Instant access to Yoda’s epic tier Lightsaber Mastery Star Card (while supplies last until October 9th 2017)

6. Star Wars Battlefront II: The Last Jedi Heroes pack, including:

Exclusive* Star Wars: The Last Jedi outfits for Kylo Ren and Rey and

Instant access to six hero and starfighter epic Star Cards:

- Kylo Ren: Power Reach and Solid Freeze

- Rey: Far Sight and Deep Mind

- Starfighters: Enhanced Auxiliary Power and First Order Ship Upgrade

7. Instant access to Star Wars: The Last Jedi Millennium Falcon with updated sounds and appearance

(*Exclusive to pre-order and Deluxe Edition customers)

Author:  MrChris [ Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:21 ]
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What's the regular game going for then?

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Oct 03, 2017 15:47 ]
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:shrug:

Author:  zaphod79 [ Tue Oct 03, 2017 16:28 ]
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MrChris wrote:
What's the regular game going for then?


£60 digital https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-gb/ ... -st-111284

£50 physical https://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Wars-Batt ... ront+2+ps4

Author:  MrChris [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:41 ]
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60 quid for the regular version of the game. Holy shit. Still, they've said all DLC will be free.

Beta downloading now...

Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:01 ]
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That’s still going to be 45 from Amazon or Tesco I expect.

Author:  MrChris [ Sun Oct 08, 2017 22:18 ]
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Regular shooty shooty is good, but the space combat is AMAZING

Author:  MrChris [ Sun Oct 08, 2017 22:25 ]
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Actually, scratch that, fucking JOYOUS

Author:  Satsuma [ Sun Oct 08, 2017 23:04 ]
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...if you pay to win.

http://m.uk.ign.com/articles/2017/10/07 ... -win-fears

Author:  MrChris [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 20:13 ]
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I don't really see that being a problem. The perks aren't game changingly powerful, and the sort of people to whom that would make difference (and would shell out for the points) would likely have handed my arse to me anyway.

Author:  Hearthly [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 17:15 ]
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More Pay-To-Win talk. This is all stuff that traditionally unlocked for free in paid-for multiplayer games.

I wouldn't call a 100% damage reduction card when fully upgraded not 'world changingly powerful'.

There are going to be people on the map who are invincible for a period of time, and people who aren't, and the people who want that can spend money to get it. And that's just one card.

Free-to-play pay-to-win mechanics in a full price AAA game.




Author:  MrChris [ Fri Oct 13, 2017 15:47 ]
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You can still unlock those cards, it just takes longer.

Author:  asfish [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:39 ]
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Quick question on Battlefront II :)

Is it a stand alone game or online or both?

Was thinking of getting it as my son loves Star Wars, having seen some trailers you can play as Darth Maul and the Emperor.

He is a bit young to play but will love watching and I'm hoping he will get into playing a bit

Don't want an full online game where I keep getting my arse kicked by 15 years olds though :DD

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:29 ]
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Both.

It's a PEGI 16, though.

Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:40 ]
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Author:  asfish [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:06 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Both.

It's a PEGI 16, though.


Oh ok maybe not then, he is only 4 :)

Shame as he does love the characters

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:13 ]
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There's a whole raft of Lego games.

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:13 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
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Is that Su Pollard?

Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:21 ]
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Yes, apparently when she was 16. She played Peggy in Hi-De-Hi.

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:24 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
Yes, apparently when she was 16. She played Peggy in Hi-De-Hi.

Sure, I get why. I just never imagined what she might look like when she was younger.

Is she even still alive?

[edit] She is.

Author:  Mimi [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:25 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Hearthly wrote:
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Is that Su Pollard?

How in all of the world did you recognise her there? I’ve been looking at it for a few minutes now and just can’t see that it’s her!

Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:40 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Sure, I get why. I just never imagined what she might look like when she was younger.

Is she even still alive?

[edit] She is.


I remember her doing 'Celebrity Swears' on The Word.

She just appeared onscreen for about two seconds and said 'Fuck'.

It was a good feature.

Author:  asfish [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 14:28 ]
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Grim... wrote:
There's a whole raft of Lego games.


Good point I'd forgotten about those !

Author:  Pundabaya [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 15:45 ]
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Apparently, you have to unlock the ability to play as Luke and Vader, and it takes 40 hours-ish to unlock just 1. Or you can just pay real money, of course.

T'internet is going fucking apeshit.

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 16:10 ]
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Pundabaya wrote:
Or you can just pay real money, of course.

Actually, you can't. Well, not directly - Luke and Vadar can only be bought for in-game money, which you can't buy for real money (at least, not yet).

But you can buy loot crates for real money, and you can sell what's in them for in-game money.

Also, 40 hours is a guess based on the beta, as the game's not out until midnight.

And yes, the Internet is going apeshit. EA made the most down-voted reddit comment of all time.

Author:  TheVision [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 16:12 ]
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Grim... wrote:

But you can buy loot crates for real money, and you can sell what's in them for in-game money.


Am I right in thinking that you won't know what's in a loot crate until you buy it and open it?

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 16:14 ]
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I strongly suspect that's the case, yes.

Author:  Bamba [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 16:22 ]
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TheVision wrote:
Grim... wrote:

But you can buy loot crates for real money, and you can sell what's in them for in-game money.


Am I right in thinking that you won't know what's in a loot crate until you buy it and open it?


That's what defines a 'loot crate' and is pretty much why they're so fucking horrific. If you're buying a 'loot crate' and you know the contents up front then you're just straight up buying the contents.

Author:  TheVision [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 16:34 ]
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Bamba wrote:
TheVision wrote:
Grim... wrote:

But you can buy loot crates for real money, and you can sell what's in them for in-game money.


Am I right in thinking that you won't know what's in a loot crate until you buy it and open it?


That's what defines a 'loot crate' and is pretty much why they're so fucking horrific. If you're buying a 'loot crate' and you know the contents up front then you're just straight up buying the contents.


Good point, well made.

Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 19:21 ]
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They're basically gambling for children. Or just gambling for everyone else.

BUT CLEVERLY NOT CATEGORISED AS GAMBLING SO NOT SUBJECT TO ANY OF ITS RULES AND REGULATIONS.

(There's some technicality whereby what you get out of them can't be exchanged for real money, or something, so not straight-up gambling from a legal perspective. The design of them, the way they open with light and sound shows, the 'reward' structures around them, the rarity levels etc - they borrow huge amounts of design cues from modern video slot machines.)

Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 19:25 ]
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Yes, it does seem like a very clear way of trying to fleece people for a hell of a lot of money on top of a full price game.
Unfortunately I've already asked for this for my Birthday and it's a bit late to change my mind so I'll just have to see how it goes.
I expect that they'll end up having to tone down the cash grab quite extensively.

Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 19:43 ]
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None of this is new. Panini sticker albums have run the same business model targeted at kids for decades, albeit without providing you with an actual game to enjoy along the way.

Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 20:05 ]
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ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:
None of this is new. Panini sticker albums have run the same business model targeted at kids for decades, albeit without providing you with an actual game to enjoy along the way.


Broadly similar, sort of, ish, but I'm not convinced you're comparing apples with apples.

Have you seen the pyrotechnics and design structures around lootboxes in games? This isn't opening up a few crappy stickers out of paper packets in the school playground, and the 'rewards' are almost infinite, getting a 'full collection' in a game like Star Wars Battlefront 2 isn't like filling out a Football '84 album.

Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 20:27 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:
None of this is new. Panini sticker albums have run the same business model targeted at kids for decades, albeit without providing you with an actual game to enjoy along the way.


Broadly similar, sort of, ish, but I'm not convinced you're comparing apples with apples.

Have you seen the pyrotechnics and design structures around lootboxes in games? This isn't opening up a few crappy stickers out of paper packets in the school playground, and the 'rewards' are almost infinite, getting a 'full collection' in a game like Star Wars Battlefront 2 isn't like filling out a Football '84 album.

You’ve clearly forgotten the reaction a kid gets when he finally gets the holographic World Cup sticker

Author:  Mimi [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 20:52 ]
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Shinies and the stickers that were not rectangle shapes were the best most special thing in the world.

Author:  TheVision [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 20:57 ]
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While I don't agree with the way this sounds, there's no excuse for what I've just read on Twitter.

One of the devs is getting threats for his safety from idiots online.

If you don't like the game mechanics, don't buy it!

Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 22:45 ]
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ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:
You’ve clearly forgotten the reaction a kid gets when he finally gets the holographic World Cup sticker


I was that kid, I have clear memories of Football '82 - '85 Panini sticker albums, and yes it was quite exciting, but I also remember never going particularly nuts over it either.

I think it's disingenuous at best to try to make a clear equivalence between that 'system' and what we see now see some 30+ years later which is an ultra-refined and very deliberately designed system of pseduo-gambling using every single trick in the book, to entice folks to sink large amounts of cash into something that masterfully steers clear of being 'gambling' by any currently recognised definition, and yet is clearly exactly that.

Author:  Bamba [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 23:45 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:
You’ve clearly forgotten the reaction a kid gets when he finally gets the holographic World Cup sticker


I was that kid, I have clear memories of Football '82 - '85 Panini sticker albums, and yes it was quite exciting, but I also remember never going particularly nuts over it either.

I think it's disingenuous at best to try to make a clear equivalence between that 'system' and what we see now see some 30+ years later which is an ultra-refined and very deliberately designed system of pseduo-gambling using every single trick in the book, to entice folks to sink large amounts of cash into something that masterfully steers clear of being 'gambling' by any currently recognised definition, and yet is clearly exactly that.


Absolutely this! Anyone making excuses for the refined loot box system these games are using is being a twat. It's horrible slimy nonsense and about as anti consumer as a practise can get. It would be bad enough in a free to play game because it would still be psychologically manipulative, but in a full price game that's absolutely guaranteed to sell by the bucket load because people would buy a shoebox full of dogshit as long as it was shaped like fucking r2d2? That's psychologically manipulate and sickeningly greedy. Fuck this shit, fuck it right in the ass.

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:51 ]
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It's really pretty ;)

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:56 ]
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And it's certainly shiny and whizzy when you open a loot box. You don't have to buy them, though, you can earn them as you play.

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:03 ]
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And I've seen my first Vader player.

Spend dat money!

Author:  Bamba [ Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:07 ]
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Grim... wrote:
And it's certainly shiny and whizzy when you open a loot box.


It's almost like the designed it like that specifically to make it more alluring!

Author:  MrChris [ Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:18 ]
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I'm slightly worried for you people if you find a loot box that exciting.

Author:  Bamba [ Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:36 ]
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MrChris wrote:
I'm slightly worried for you people if you find a loot box that exciting.


You shouldn't worry about 'us people' because we probably don't. You should worry for the people with compulsive tendencies who might already struggle to resist gambling mechanics in general because they're the ones being exploited here.

Author:  Satsuma [ Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:37 ]
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Grim... wrote:
And it's certainly shiny and whizzy when you open a loot box. You don't have to buy them, though, you can earn them as you play.


Isn’t the entire progression system linked to the loot boxes?

I thought there weren’t any additional weapons/skins/cards/whatevs unlocked through traditional levelling up and it was just dependant on what you get in a loot box which you earned through in game points.

Is that not the case?

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