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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Echo
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 17:07 
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How is it any more or less creepy than Siri?

I don't have Siri set to constantly listen.

like that makes a difference lulz

Why? Also having a device in your home listening all the time rather than something that's in my pocket feels totally different.

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How is it any more or less creepy than Siri?

I don't have Siri set to constantly listen.

like that makes a difference lulz

Why? Also having a device in your home listening all the time rather than something that's in my pocket feels totally different.

Something in your pocket letting the NSA listen to your groin is less weird?

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Just realised I can't have an Echo or I'll end up dropping £500 on GTA dollars every Wednesday night.


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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Echo
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How is it any more or less creepy than Siri?

I don't have Siri set to constantly listen.

like that makes a difference lulz

Why? Also having a device in your home listening all the time rather than something that's in my pocket feels totally different.


If you're at home then unless you've left your trousers somewhere else it's the same thing.

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How is it any more or less creepy than Siri?

I don't have Siri set to constantly listen.

like that makes a difference lulz

Why? Also having a device in your home listening all the time rather than something that's in my pocket feels totally different.


If you're at home then unless you've left your trousers somewhere else it's the same thing.

Not everyone clips their phones to their belt, mate.

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No...in your pocket, as you said. Huh?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 17:51 
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No...in your pocket, as you said. Huh?

Right, this is ridiculous but I'll humour you. If I called you, stuck my phone on speaker mode, put it in my pocket and started talking, would you really be able to hear what I was saying? Compared to say, I don't know, a beacon placed in the middle of your house.

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Yeah, reckon. As long as you were still.

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Yeah, reckon. As long as you were still.

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Compared to say, I don't know, a beacon placed in the middle of your house.

Really? Fair enough then.

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Yeah, I've had a few audible pocket dials before now.

And I'm not even GCHQ

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No...in your pocket, as you said. Huh?

Right, this is ridiculous but I'll humour you. If I called you, stuck my phone on speaker mode, put it in my pocket and started talking, would you really be able to hear what I was saying? Compared to say, I don't know, a beacon placed in the middle of your house.


What if you called Kov, and I was stood next to his car, and he had you on speakerphone? Wonder how audible that would be.


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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Echo
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Yeah, reckon. As long as you were still.

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Compared to say, I don't know, a beacon placed in the middle of your house.

Really? Fair enough then.

Wait when did we start reading entire posts? I wasn't notified.

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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Echo
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Cras wrote:
Yeah, I've had a few audible pocket dials before now.

And I'm not even GCHQ

That's exactly what GCHQ would say! :ninja: :ninja:


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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Echo
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Lonewolves wrote:
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How is it any more or less creepy than Siri?

I don't have Siri set to constantly listen.

How do you think that works?


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How is it any more or less creepy than Siri?

I don't have Siri set to constantly listen.

How do you think that works?

So if I turn 'Hey siri' activation off it still listens all the time?

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So if I turn 'Hey siri' activation off it still listens all the time?

No. But depending on what you mean by "listens" it might not really be listening all the time when its on, either. Again: I'm curious, how do you think it works?

Do you have "hey siri" disabled on your Watch, too?


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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Echo
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So if I turn 'Hey siri' activation off it still listens all the time?

No. But depending on what you mean by "listens" it might not really be listening all the time when its on, either. Again: I'm curious, how do you think it works?

Do you have "hey siri" disabled on your Watch, too?

I do.

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Again: I'm curious, how do you think it works?

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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Echo
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Have to say you need a heavy investment in Amazon for the Echo to be of any real use. Without it it will tell you jokes and facts and the weather\news but not much else.

You need Prime @£70 a year which gives you access to 2 million music tracks, you can also load up to 250 of your own tracks as well

Then there are more Amazon options, Music unlimited (40 million tracks) 7.99 PM, Kindle unlimited if you want the Echo to read books (it will read compatible ones you own in your kindle library) 7.99 PM

You can also pay £22 a year and upload 250,000 of you own tracks into Amazon music, pretty sure you will need Prime for this though.

Then there is the 3rd part stuff that costs as well. I'm getting a lot out of mine and will probably get another this week for the kitchen but so far I've spent the following before the cost of the Echo.

Hive £250
Harmony £200 (this was the most expensive model and could be done cheaper)
Prime £70

Really like it though :)

In terms of listening I think it does that all the time ,but its not recording anything until you say the trigger word "Alexa," then a command, all of this is kept for "improving" the service but you can delete it all if you want.


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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Echo
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Yeah, not really sold on this thing, maybe if it was fifty quid, maybe. But most of the time when I'm listening to music or finding something to watch I do it by browsing, by looking through lists, all of which you can already do quite well using your phone. Using voice for anything more but the simplest routine interactions is really slow and clunky.

I don't know call me a curmudgeon if you like but it just seems to be a solution to problems that don't exist.


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It's one of those things that's useful for tying a load of other services together, and is only useful if you already have those services. Otherwise it's an expensive gimmick.

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Is it not still just an expensive gimmick even then, though? I probably do have a fair few of those things but I still can't think of much useful interaction that could take place by issuing short verbal commands. It just seems to be, "buy this exact thing" or "play this exact song", "play some music suggested by an algorithm" unless you have an internet kettle to turn on I suppose.

It feels like a retro-future idea that has suddenly become real but it in the cold light of day turns out actually not be of very much use. Like wristwatches with phones in them.


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I think it's niche to those folks who fold it into their daily routine. If you make use of it, it'all be useful. I know people who have an Apple Watch for whom it's a gimmick they never use, and I know people who live their lives by them.

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I've seen examples of smartwatches that make them look at least marginally useful but I honestly haven't seen anything you can do with Echo that you couldn't do far more easily and better by just using your phone. That's not to say that there aren't any such examples but just that I've not seen them. Chiefly because any request you make that results in anything more than a binary choice makes voice a horribly clunky and slow way to do things.

But even giving information such as the oft stated weather forecast is rubbish and slow compared to what you could glean by a brief glance at a screen, even the tiny screen of a watch. You read and take in visual cues really, really fast when compared to how long it takes to actually read information out verbally.


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What happens if you quack at an Echo?

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You get sectioned.

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What happens if you are called Alexa?

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What happens if you are called Alexa?

You change the name it responds to so as to avoid confusion in the household.

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What happens if you are called Alexa?

You change the name it responds to so as to avoid confusion in the household.

What if you change it to Bill and then you say 'pay bill' and it empties your PayPal account and sends it all to Amazon

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What happens if you are called Alexa?

You change the name it responds to so as to avoid confusion in the household.

What if you change it to Bill and then you say 'pay bill' and it empties your PayPal account and sends it all to Amazon

Then it does nothing, because you should have said "Bill, pay bill".

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What if you change it to 'spot' and you are reading a children's book about a small dog and you read the book telling the dog to run? What happens then?

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What if you call it 'Amazon' and ask it to pay tax?


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What if you call it 'Amazon' and ask it to pay tax?


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Yeah, not really sold on this thing, maybe if it was fifty quid, maybe.

The cheap one is fifty quid.


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It's ok, I've convinced myself it's not even worth that. I'd have a punt for a tenner perhaps.


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What happens if you are called Alexa?


You can change that to either Echo or Amazon, only the 3 choices for now, but doubt it will be long before you can have what you want.

Its getting a surprising amount of use at home, I have the £50 one, but my wife is loving having it play Pearl Jam all day, my son likes to have his Thomas songs (which I uploaded) playing as well.

I've found the sound level from the £50 one to be pretty good, not for a party but fine for every day music.

I was planing to connected to it my AV Amp but I have no idea how to do that, can't find an Aux input anywhere


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Can't you just tell it to connect?

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You can change that to either Echo or Amazon, only the 3 choices for now, but doubt it will be long before you can have what you want.

I doubt it. Hotword design is difficult. It has to consist of syllables that don't occur in normal speech or your get lots of false triggers.


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Like the way the syllable pattern "Okay Google" apparently appears in 40% of spoken sentences according to Android phones of my acquaintance.

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Or, 'seriously' can set of siri, eh curio?

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I was going to market a similar device that responded to "Hey, Vzzbux" but I was paranoid that episodes of Bottom would trigger it.

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Or, 'seriously' can set of siri, eh curio?

Yeah.

What?

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Or, 'seriously' can set of siri, eh curio?

Yeah.

What?

I believe this to be a mild ribbing of the forum member Curio, who presumably has a similar issue with "Hey Siri" being set off by the afore-mentioned Curio saying the word "Seriously".

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I believe it may have something to do with a job interview, but I might be getting stories mixed up.

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