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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 15:33 
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Define a nightmre, waking up with no penis is a nightmare, being chased by a bear is a nightmare.

One click on a the desktop icon is not a nightmare.. :DD


"Trying to do anything whilst the UI keeps changing gives me a headache".

What on earth are you doing with it?


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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There were some thoughts around that Microsoft want to go subscription based for the OS, and giving it away for free is actually just giving away the first year for free. See Office365.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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There were some thoughts around that Microsoft want to go subscription based for the OS, and giving it away for free is actually just giving away the first year for free. See Office365.


When my mate in work first mentioned that they were giving it away free 'for a year' I thought that's what he meant and was horrified.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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I have windows 8 and a touchscreen laptop. It's nice.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 16:16 
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Mr Dave wrote:
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Define a nightmre, waking up with no penis is a nightmare, being chased by a bear is a nightmare.

One click on a the desktop icon is not a nightmare.. :DD


"Trying to do anything whilst the UI keeps changing gives me a headache".

What on earth are you doing with it?

Use it as a computer operating system.

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There were some thoughts around that Microsoft want to go subscription based for the OS, and giving it away for free is actually just giving away the first year for free. See Office365.

Obviously not happening. Are you suggesting that after X amount of time, after updating to Windows 10, people's computers will simply no longer work unless they agree to pay a subscription?

It's not a paid upgrade because Windows 8 was the worst selling version of Windows in years, despite also being the cheapest.

The bulk of the money they will make from it will be from oem/enterprise licensing.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 16:24 
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How are you using, so it changes all the time?

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 16:26 
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I didn't keep a diary of all the times it forced me onto the Metro interface. I just excised it.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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Normally when you press the windows key it fires up metro, like on win 7 it fires up the start menu.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 16:49 
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LewieP wrote:
Mr Dave wrote:
LewieP wrote:
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Define a nightmre, waking up with no penis is a nightmare, being chased by a bear is a nightmare.

One click on a the desktop icon is not a nightmare.. :DD


"Trying to do anything whilst the UI keeps changing gives me a headache".

What on earth are you doing with it?

Use it as a computer operating system.

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There were some thoughts around that Microsoft want to go subscription based for the OS, and giving it away for free is actually just giving away the first year for free. See Office365.

Obviously not happening. Are you suggesting that after X amount of time, after updating to Windows 10, people's computers will simply no longer work unless they agree to pay a subscription?

It's not a paid upgrade because Windows 8 was the worst selling version of Windows in years, despite also being the cheapest.

The bulk of the money they will make from it will be from oem/enterprise licensing.


Sorry I'm confused (I'm not reading etc). Can I upgrade to Windows 10 for zero dollars if I've got Wondows 8?


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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My Windows 8.1 boots into the desktop, and I literally NEVER see the metro interface unless I want to manually lock the screen or use the search, which is keyboard driven anyway, so who cares.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 16:57 
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SAY WHUuuuuuuuuuuuTTTT?

Hang on, do I want to though? Presumably yes? Can I do it now? Howd I do it? Do I need to backup stuff before having a go? Am I likely to fuck up my computer cause I'm a numpty? Does touchscreen work on Windows 10?


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 16:58 
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Saturnalian wrote:
Can I do it now?


No. So stop worrying about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 17:01 
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Bamba wrote:
Saturnalian wrote:
Can I do it now?


No. So stop worrying about it.


SAY WHUUUT?!

So when can I do it? INEEDZ2NO.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 17:20 
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So when can I do it?


"Late 21015" seems to be as much as they've said so far.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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Bamba wrote:
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So when can I do it?


"Late 21015" seems to be as much as they've said so far.

Long time then.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 17:42 
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lasermink wrote:
My Windows 8.1 boots into the desktop, and I literally NEVER see the metro interface unless I want to manually lock the screen or use the search, which is keyboard driven anyway, so who cares.

:this:

And I've made approximately 0 effort to avoid it, so I'm wondering how you can end up flicking back and forth beyond "being a bit dim"


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 22:40 
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Future Warrior wrote:
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You folk use Windows oddly.

In what way isn't it demonstrably worse than Windows 7 on a normal PC?

Well, it's made me so sick of people bitching I've deactivated my Facebook account. But that's about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 22:45 
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LewieP wrote:
Nothing they showed of Windows 10 is really convincing me it'll be an improvement. If they have a simple option to turn off all the Metro stuff, Clippy 2k15 (aka Cortana) and all the other useless guff, I'm sure it will also be fine.
this paragraph says you have deliberately not looked at ANYTHING they've tried to show you about 10.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 22:52 
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Free upgrades 'for consumers'. The assumption seems to be that that means non - pro editions, rather than retail product keys. I'm sure there'll be a stink and cheap pro upgrades or something if that's the case. I don't mind, the insider previews show decent progression from 8.1.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 0:01 
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BikNorton wrote:
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Nothing they showed of Windows 10 is really convincing me it'll be an improvement. If they have a simple option to turn off all the Metro stuff, Clippy 2k15 (aka Cortana) and all the other useless guff, I'm sure it will also be fine.
this paragraph says you have deliberately not looked at ANYTHING they've tried to show you about 10.

I watched the entire presentation.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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Well, it's made me so sick of people bitching I've deactivated my Facebook account. But that's about it.

Criticism of software was the reason behind deleting a social media account? Bless.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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Camel's back, straw.

Getting that way with some other things too.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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Anyway, can I download this now or what?


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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I know I'm one of the biggest W8 fanboys here, but I've just remembered one thing I hate that I hope that they resolve. When you have bluetooth turned on, the only way to not pair with a device in your device list is to completely delete it. So I always want my pen and mouse paired, but I only want by bluetooth speakers paired when I want to run sound through them as if I get home and turn bluetooth off to not have the sound pumped through them my Pen won't work properly. Then when I do want all three devices running, I have to go through a flaky and laborious re-pairing process. They should fix that shit.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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What happens if you just turn the bluetooth speakers off?


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:18 
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Can't you go to "devices and printers" and just right click to disable them? That's what we do with the ones at the office (although that's Windows 7, I can't believe it's changed).

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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What happens if you just turn the bluetooth speakers off?

That is a workaround. But a pain in the arse workaround as they are located out of reach, and also I'm not the only person in the house with a device paired to them who may want to use them. Specifically, my wife is too short, so in order to workaround the lack of a simple toggle in Win8, I would have to physically move them to somewhere suboptimal.

Grim... Bluetooth devices are listed in Bluetooth - not devices - in PC settings. I haven't looked for a while but I think the same issue arises in the main control panel. I know, right.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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I'm wrong, you can go through Control panel to do it. May be a 8.1 change as I can't have been that thick.

(Still an unnecessary faff when a simple toggle on bluetooth devices would be easy to implement given Win8 aims to hide all the control panel, and which isn't touch optimised)


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:25 
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Hmm, well failing that there should be a "disconnect" option in your sound options (right-click the little speaker icon in your taskbar, choose 'sounds', then the 'playback' tab).

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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I'm wrong, you can go through Control panel to do it. May be a 8.1 change as I can't have been that thick.

(Still an unnecessary faff when a simple toggle on bluetooth devices would be easy to implement given Win8 aims to hide all the control panel, and which isn't touch optimised)

Ah, there we go.

I can write you a batch file to turn them on and off, if you'd like.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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Grim... wrote:
Hmm, well failing that there should be a "disconnect" option in your sound options (right-click the little speaker icon in your taskbar, choose 'sounds', then the 'playback' tab).

It is. Faff with touch to do that - and PC settings which is optimised puts every other setting change within 2 swipes/touches. The touch optimised settings for 'sound' are volume/mute only.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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I'll probably go for it on my Windows 7 machine, but might wait a month or two to hear what experiences people have with the install and to see if it would run as well as the incumbent OS.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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My only concern is that it's not going to fuck up my ability to play games as I expect everything else to work fine. I might wait a month or so and make sure there are no horrific issues and then I'm quite looking forward to jumping into it. I do wonder how the upgrade process is going to work though. I'm going to use the opportunity to install the SSD I bought years ago and thus do a fresh install, so does that mean I need to install and activate Win7 then do an upgrade to Win10? It would be nicer if they'd let you download an ISO or something and make a Win10 install disc but just allow your license key for the previous Windows version to work with it.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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This is all about DX12 for me. Finally, multiple GPU support in the API rather than some bodged attempt later. Vulkan sounds quite promising too, and I can run Mantle on my 7990.

I must admit I have been using Windows 8 since it launched and with IObit's start button I don't see much difference between it and Windows 7. Just recently I went to 8.1 and quite like the start button in that. The main reason I made the switch was because of Windows 7's core handling and the need for dirty hacks to get core parking working properly and so on. With an 8 core AMD 8 is absolutely essential.

The only thing I don't like is the forced driver signing. That has annoyed me on a good few occasions and there's no way I know of to permanently disable it.

But that's literally the only gripe I have. Bring on 10.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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I've signed up for the free upgrade and will move to 10

MS appear to make one shit then one good OS these days so hopefully 10 will be good!


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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I've always maintained that Windows 8 wasn't bad.. But I too have signed up to get Windows 10.

I'm quite looking forward to it which probably says a lot about me.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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Apparently if you upgrade to Windows 10 you'll then be able to do a clean build of Windows 10 at a later date on the same machine, which could be handy.

I'm not going to jump straight in though, it's more important to me that all my stuff works than getting a shiny new interface. In particular I'm going to check that all my emulators work properly on Windows 10 before upgrading my main PC to it.

Plus Windows 7 is the bomb anyway, so there's no hurry.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:05 
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Signed up.. Why not ?


Depends what your view of an operating system is.

For me, an operating system is a platform to run my stuff on, therefore the compatibility, reliability and stability of that platform is absolutely the most important thing to me.

If I upgrade to Windows 10 and even a small amount of my stuff stops working properly or at all, then it's immediately more hassle than it's worth.

Particularly for me, I have some emulators that were originally written back in the Windows 98 days, albeit updated in the Windows XP era. They still run fine on Windows 7, I still use them on a regular basis, they need to work properly in Windows 10 for me to consider an upgrade.

I'll give Windows 10 maybe six months to bed in across the 'world userbase' as it were, and see how that pans out, and also perform my own testing on a second PC to see how my own important stuff works - then I'll start to think about an upgrade.

There's also the consideration of the other Windows machines in the house (kitchen media centre PC, Mrs Hearthly's PC, Hearthly Jnr's laptop, the bedroom media centre PC) - I want these to 'just work' and cause me as little hassle as possible, and I don't want family members getting confused by new UIs, so there's no great hurry to upgrade there either.

(See also, my in-laws, who've got a Windows 7 laptop and use me as IT support for everything.)

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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I think I will sign up but not actually install it for at least 6 months.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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Tempting, but there is a catch, I'm staying as Win 7.


What's this secret catch you seem to know about that the rest of the world doesn't?

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They made a good one and now people dont want to 'upgrade'.


Tell that to shitload of people running Windows 8.

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Apparently if you upgrade to Windows 10 you'll then be able to do a clean build of Windows 10 at a later date on the same machine, which could be handy.


Have you got a source for that? It's a use case I'm very interested in as I'd like to do a proper clean install instead of an upgrade if possible.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 10
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Have you got a source for that? It's a use case I'm very interested in as I'd like to do a proper clean install instead of an upgrade if possible.


Anandtech I think? My phone suggested it to me as something I might like on the Google Now screen thing, so I read it while I was having a shit.

Oh yes here you go - http://www.anandtech.com/show/9334/micr ... -upgrading

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