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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 22:26 
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What 'stat did you choose?

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Grim-beard... the noisy wrote:
What 'stat did you choose?


A horseman centaurstat 7 is on the wall. Might get an internet one post xmas.

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Grim-beard... the noisy wrote:
What 'stat did you choose?

I couldn't decide between Strength and Dexterity, so I went for Endurance instead.


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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
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Grim-beard... the noisy wrote:
What 'stat did you choose?

I couldn't decide between Strength and Dexterity, so I went for Endurance instead.

I went for Weight.

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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
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Mr Dave wrote:
Grim-beard... the noisy wrote:
What 'stat did you choose?

I couldn't decide between Strength and Dexterity, so I went for Endurance instead.


I actually thought that's what he meant

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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 18:29 
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Hi folks!

So, Russell and I moved to a new house at the beginning of February, and. Either of us k kw show the heating works.

We have a little control panel. We can set the heating to come on once a day, or twice, or press a button to override that if we are cold. That is all under the boiler, which is in the kitchen. That same control panel also heats the hot water.

We have a hot water tank upstairs, as well as an immersion heater.

So, what’s this little doodad half way up the stairs? A thermostat of some kind, but what does it do? As far as I can tell the heating is either ‘on’ or ‘not on’? What does this temperature dial do, if anything?


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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 18:38 
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It should switch the heating off when the room reaches a certain temperature, you could test it by turning it right down with the heating set to "on" and the rads should not heat up.
If they do it might be faulty or more likely disconnected, they're quite often left on the wall because if you remove them it leaves a mess


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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 18:40 
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermostat


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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
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krazywookie wrote:
It should switch the heating off when the room reaches a certain temperature, you could test it by turning it right down with the heating set to "on" and the rads should not heat up.
If they do it might be faulty or more likely disconnected, they're quite often left on the wall because if you remove them it leaves a mess


Ah, I was wondering this. It’s set to 17, and I know it gets a lot warmer than that in the house, which is why I was a bit confused by its function. I wasn’t sure if it worked with or in spite of the manual controls under the boiler. Thanks, Wookie.

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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 20:28 
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Satsuma wrote:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermostat

Sorry, yes, I know it’s a thermostat, and what a thermostat is for, but it didn’t seem to be actually doing anything. What Wookie says about it not being connected makes sense.

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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
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Having said that, if that ones disconnected there would be another one in the house somewhere to replace it...


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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
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Mimi wrote:
Satsuma wrote:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermostat

Sorry, yes, I know it’s a thermostat, and what a thermostat is for, but it didn’t seem to be actually doing anything. What Wookie says about it not being connected makes sense.


Sorry but the question was what does it do. If it’s not working then, and this might be so simple but just might work, open it up and check if it’s battery powered. Loads of old ones (and probably some newish ones) are just run by AA batteries. The battery might need replacing.


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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 21:03 
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Yes, what does it do, because it doesn’t seem to be performing a function within the house, rather than ‘what do thermostats do’, if that makes sense?

I’ve just tried to get the front off, and it won’t budge. I also can’t see any wiring, though that could be fed through the staircase. If it were battery powered how would it ‘contact’ the boiler/heating system? It looks far too old to do it through any kind of remote system.

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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
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Try this

https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/repl ... at.489700/


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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
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Actually, looking at this, it’s not battery powered I don’t think…

https://www.diynot.com/diy/media/untitled.78290/#media


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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 21:30 
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Also, also, also, I’m not an electrician so I think my ability to assist has now ran its course.


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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 21:37 
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Well that definitely looks like the one. I’ll have a poke about in the pantry and see if the wires come out there somewhere. It seems an awful long way from the boiler. I wonder why the thermostat is on the stairs.

I’d like to get a thermostat (a modern one) to aid in controlling the heating. I’ll see what that entails and if I can find someone to add one to the system. I never know if things like that aged sone by a gas man or electrician.

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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 21:58 
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Depending on your boiler you can fit an nest quite easily.

Mine used to be on the stairs, the idea being it should be on the coldest part so the heating heats that. You can just turn your rads down to comfort level in each room.


When I put the nest in, I put in the lounge, as I want the lounge warm, not to bothered about the other rooms.

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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
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Depending on your boiler you can fit an nest quite easily.

Mine used to be on the stairs, the idea being it should be on the coldest part so the heating heats that. You can just turn your rads down to comfort level in each room.



When I put the nest in, I put in the lounge, as I want the lounge warm, not to bothered about the other rooms.


Did you get an electrician to fit the nest, or is it a gas man?

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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 22:33 
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Thermostats, even fancy smart ones, only use 2 low voltage wires. Swapping them out is often very simple and would be literally a 5 minute job for either a spark or a gas engineer.

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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 22:38 
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Depends on the boiler though, we had to get a man in to fit our nest, as even though it was a relatively new combi boiler, it needed extra fettling beyond just switching it out.

Also, throw in the water tank and separate water controls and it'll probably be a specialist job. We used a local plumber we know, but you can buy fitting from nest as an add-on when you buy the thermostat


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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 23:01 
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Ah yes, I was not considering hot water tanks. That does complicate things


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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 23:02 
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Mimi wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
Depending on your boiler you can fit an nest quite easily.

Mine used to be on the stairs, the idea being it should be on the coldest part so the heating heats that. You can just turn your rads down to comfort level in each room.



When I put the nest in, I put in the lounge, as I want the lounge warm, not to bothered about the other rooms.


Did you get an electrician to fit the nest, or is it a gas man?



I did it. It was only a few wires to fit the controller and the nest syncs to that.

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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
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When I had my hive fitted years ago British Gas did it.

The Nest was a lot easier, but an electron can do it.

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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
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I was reading about the Nest Thermostat E, which sounds promising.

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Google’s latest smart-home product is a cheaper smart thermostat that anyone can install themselves without the need for a boiler engineer.

Lionel Guicherd-Callin, Nest’s head of product marketing in Europe, described the installation as being on the same level as swapping out a light switch or light bulb.

“We wanted to create a simpler, more affordable smart thermostat for the 85% of people across Europe who aren’t benefiting from the lower bills and smarter heating they can provide,” said Guicherd-Callin. “Anyone with a screwdriver can install it in under 60 minutes without the need for an electrician or boiler engineer.”





So that sounds doable. Russell and my ma’s husband have changed out all of the light fittings, switches and power outlets, and would have been doing the extractor fan and sconces this weekend if it weren’t for circumstances, but I’ll have a look again after the new year and see how things are looking and decide whether to go that route or looking for an engineer. Knowing that you can book a guy when you buy one is a big plus point.

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 Post subject: Re: Central Heating Control
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I suppose the stairs could be considered a central place in the house, so perhaps that's why the thermostat is there. And also as Kovacs said, somewhere the heat has to 'spread to get to'.

There is of course the chance it could be broken. If you put the dial down as high as it can go, and then slowly turn it down, do you hear it click?

I find it can take quite a lot of fiddling to get heating (and cooling) set up. When we moved house about a year ago it took us some time to figure out what some of the switches did. Handily the light switched had been labelled with those little dymo labels, but the heater controls had not.

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KovacsC wrote:
The Nest was a lot easier, but an electron can do it.

Well that’s a negative.

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I suppose the stairs could be considered a central place in the house, so perhaps that's why the thermostat is there. And also as Kovacs said, somewhere the heat has to 'spread to get to'.

There is of course the chance it could be broken. If you put the dial down as high as it can go, and then slowly turn it down, do you hear it click?

I find it can take quite a lot of fiddling to get heating (and cooling) set up. When we moved house about a year ago it took us some time to figure out what some of the switches did. Handily the light switched had been labelled with those little dymo labels, but the heater controls had not.


I have set it to various tempers since we moved here and o can’t see it’s ever made any difference. I’ll try the trick of setting it to 10° tomorrow and seeing if it still heats the house if I put the heating on. I haven’t heard a click, no, but I haven’t really been listening for one. I’ll have a play with it tomorrow when I’m feeling a bit better, I hope.

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Mimi wrote:

I have set it to various tempers since we moved here and o can’t see it’s ever made any difference.


Have you tried telling it to stay cool and calm?

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I set it to ‘MaliCool’ but it just started having a midlife crisis.

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Any recommendations from the hivemind on a good smart thermostat? Does such a device exist that can monitor temps in different parts of the house/different rooms and adjust individual rooms?


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We've done this one before, somewhere. is it not this thread? There are loads. Non-exhaustively Hive does it now, Tado, Honeywell evohome, Drayton Wiser.

We've got Wiser throughout our house, something like 18 radiators in 10 rooms, also controlling the hot water on our new combi oil boiler.

Plus a load of their smart plugs to start doing better control of eg our home office and AV systems in these times of stupidly expensive electricity (currently controlling all the strings of LED lights because of laziness). Already had a couple, one as a range extender to get past an EM nightmare zone and one to control an oil heater in Helen's office which doesn't have a radiator.

7 day scheduling of everything, multiple slots each Day in each room.


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Huh, somehow I missed that there was another page to this thread.


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I knew there was another page and didn't go so far as to actually check :)

Huh, actually checking - I thought we'd done this more recently, because we've moved to the Midlands since my previous comments, hence talk of a new oil fired boiler and what otherwise looks like a complete switch from evohome to wiser.

after we'd bought it Evohome got an update where the internet is built into the box, not a stupid £100 add-on.

When rebuying, Wiser was a significant saving because of the number of radiators we need to control; depending on when I added them it was £40-45 per rad. They did a firmware update 6 months ago that made them a LOAD quieter, which was nice.


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Just had a looo at the Wiser and apparently it’s not compatible with a gravity fed system, which we’re oretty sure ours is.

Not sure why that makes it incompatible to be honest, but perhaps that’s a thing that applies to all of these smart jobbers?


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I had the hive with my tank and boiler system.

When I had the boiler changed I went nest.

I liked the hive in the way you can boost the system. The nest learns which is great.

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Just had a looo at the Wiser and apparently it’s not compatible with a gravity fed system, which we’re oretty sure ours is.

Not sure why that makes it incompatible to be honest, but perhaps that’s a thing that applies to all of these smart jobbers?

That sounds weird, all it does it tell the boiler on/off and if you get the 2 channel one, the water. If it has a controller now it should be fine.

The earlier iteration of our system was a weird thing with a hot tank heated off the heating circuit, an expansion vessel, and a pair of zone valves and a pump controlled by a Drayton controller so the swap was easy. Worked fine - better tbh as the heating layout is "not entirely competent".

The hot tank was fed from the header tank, as were half the taps, one bog and the white goods, but the controller doesn't care about that.

(the simplification with the new boiler of "no zone valves, pump, hot tank, header tank or expansion vessel, all mains pressure" makes me happy even if it does all need tearing out and redoing, and as mentioned in another thread "mains pressure" is a bit of a grandiose term for what we have)


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