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Author:  Grim... [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:28 ]
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Here it is, for those without a handy newsagents.

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I'm not really bothered by it, I have to say. It's just a pun.

Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:29 ]
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That picture makes her looks halfway towards the puppet from The Saw movies.

Author:  MrChris [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:30 ]
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It's a really, really weird choice of phrasing, even for a shoehorned headline pun obsessed rag like the Sun.

Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:32 ]
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It's a pun, but these things don't happen in a vacuum. Continued right wing press demonisation of people (usually immigrants, LGBTQ, PoC, etc) and aggressive rhetoric clearly plays a part in the way the national consciousness is formed.

In and of itself it's not the worst thing ever (though tasteless), but as a constant stream, it's (IMO) extremely detrimental to the country.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:37 ]
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It might just be me, but I really don't see what Curio's getting at - IMO he's reading far too much complexity into what is, at the end of the day, just some pithy red-top headline fodder about Labour being screwed by this.

I could be wrong of course - if the last couple of years have taught us anything, it's never to trust the polls nor take anything for granted 6 weeks outside an election date (a week is a long time in politics indeed). But, heck, Corbyn and his parliamentary acolytes are simply *so* far removed from anything remotely 'electable', as according to any British electorate that I've seen in my 50-odd years, it seems inconceivable that we'll be looking at anything else than the utter (and final) decimation of Labour as specifically due to Corbyn's election as their leader, as I have long predicted.

The right wing, Brexit-leaning press are going to have an absolute *field day*.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:40 ]
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I think it is a mixture of a sensitivity over the use of the word 'murder' due to the events in Birstall, and it being the Sun.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:44 ]
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Well, I am no admirer of journalists/the gutter press, as long stated, but in my opinion I seriously doubt this was specifically intended. IMO, they are simply gleefully jumping on Labour's self-inflicted demise.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:46 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Well, I am no admirer of journalists/the gutter press, as long stated, but in my opinion I seriously doubt this was specifically intended. IMO, they are simply gleefully jumping on Labour's self-inflicted demise.


I think you are quite correct.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:47 ]
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Why thank you Mali. A busted wall clock is right twice a day. :D

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:50 ]
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Anyone got any thoughts on the outcome here?
At this initial stage, I'm thinking 80-100 Con majority at Labour's expense, but with the first glimmerings of an LD reboot as well, from within their SW heartlands, with perhaps 20-odd seats?

Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:15 ]
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MaliA wrote:
I think it is a mixture of a sensitivity over the use of the word 'murder' due to the events in Birstall, and it being the Sun.


Quite. These are political journalists. In the last major vote, Jo Cox was murdered for her political views. Just because it was done by someone white, and she wasn't as famous as some others, she has quickly been forgotten, and The Sun are happy to go on about the metaphorical murder of her party.

Had a Muslim killed Farage, and the next election The Mirror runs a headline of 'Behead May: Jihad on UKIP and Tories!" I'm pretty sure they'd get run out of business. There's no way they didn't know what they were doing, and they have form for exactly this sort of shit.

I just think it's low, unnecessary, and shows what a bunch of complete shits they are.

As for a prediction, I don't think that it will be quite the landslide currently being predicted. Despite the best efforts of the newspapers, May looked very weak in her interview and couldn't give a single reason why she completely turned on her heel and went for a snap election other than completely self-serving poll results. She seriously tried to argue that the Lib Dems would try to ruin Brexit in Parliament. They have <10 MPs! They can't do shit! Labour are a fucking shambles and voted for everything you put forward!

Anyway, if there was a competent opposition they might try to run this, her refusal to debate (and lack of any clarity on any policies apart from Grammar Schools which are the most important thing in the world), and her failure as Home Sec as decent attacks, and might have a chance of causing an upset. Unfortunately, no such opposition exists.

I think Con will take some Lab seats, LDs will take some Cons, Lab will hang on to more than expected, by the skin of their teeth, and May will end up with a healthy but not precipitous majority.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:48 ]
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George Osborne's standing down to spend more time with his other jobs.

Author:  Nik [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:59 ]
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Theresa May confirms MPs under investigation for expenses fraud from the last election will be allowed to stand: https://twitter.com/daily_politics/stat ... 0173020161



Author:  Nik [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 14:53 ]
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I'm almost more interested in getting rid of my twat of an MP than in the national result. Voted against gay marriage and for Brexit. He can fuck off, frankly.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 14:58 ]
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As a constitutional nerd ('Ask me about the House of Lords Precedence Act 1539') I suppose I should be thrilled that a clause (section 2, 1-2) I didn't expect to be used in the Fixed Term Parliaments Act has now been used. Now we need to try out the other ones so I can complete the set.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 15:02 ]
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Nik wrote:
I'm almost more interested in getting rid of my twat of an MP than in the national result.


Who've you got?

Author:  Nik [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 15:07 ]
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Kern wrote:
Nik wrote:
I'm almost more interested in getting rid of my twat of an MP than in the national result.


Who've you got?



This chap: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Blackman_(politician)

Author:  Kern [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 15:10 ]
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Well, at least he's against smoking.

Author:  Nik [ Wed Apr 19, 2017 15:11 ]
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Kern wrote:
Well, at least he's against smoking.


It's a refreshing change from the legions of pro-smoking MPs. :D

Author:  MrChris [ Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:07 ]
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Good to know that our shadow chancellor has a firm grasp on the basics of who pays what amount of tax.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39641222

Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Apr 20, 2017 13:02 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Good to know that our shadow chancellor has a firm grasp on the basics of who pays what amount of tax.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39641222


He clearly didn't mean absolute amounts for the first part. Unless he's an idiot. Which he might be. But he doesn't seem THAT stupid.

His point is that whilst the rich pay more taxes, an extra 100 quid to someone earning over £100k is less vital to them than an extra 25 quid to someone on minimum wage. And if lower earners are being HT for way more of their money (in this way) than middle-high earners, that is bad.

I'm not sure that holds, statistically, as income tax changes have tended to benefit the poorest (AFAIK), but it does apply to things like VAT and various incidental taxes. More important are cutting back of in-work benefits (IMO) as that discourages people from work, and not paying living wages.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Apr 20, 2017 13:24 ]
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Disappointed that Douglas Carswell won't be standing. I was rather looking forward to him and the UKIP candidate split the vote allowing another party to sneak in through the middle.

Giesela Stuart's standing down too. Hey, she got the Leave vote she wanted and now everything's fine.

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:07 ]
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Well, this is awkward.

http://uk.isidewith.com/results/3092763049

Author:  Kern [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:09 ]
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What do you have against Wales?

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:14 ]
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Couple regiments of Royal Marines and some Bradley M2s

Author:  MrChris [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:14 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Couple regiments of Royal Marines and some Bradley M2s

Why are the Marines using American IFVs?

Author:  Squirt [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:24 ]
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MrChris wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Couple regiments of Royal Marines and some Bradley M2s

Why are the Marines using American IFVs?

Plus, what are the Royal Marines doing in Regiments? Have they been taken over by the Army? I'm starting to doubt the veracity of your answer, MaliA!!!

Author:  Grim... [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:25 ]
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Malirines.

Author:  devilman [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:27 ]
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Hmm.. doesn't really help to clarify things for me...

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Author:  Kern [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:41 ]
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:attitude:

Author:  markg [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:42 ]
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Fucking hell! I didn't even know the BNP were still going.

Author:  Kern [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:46 ]
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I think being on the fence about fracking and privatised railways probably pushed them over the line for me. Either that or for three months of the year I go all fascist.

Author:  Curiosity [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:46 ]
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Anyone knows offhand who runs that site? I've seen these ones before where the site is run by a minority party trying to show how great their policies are.

Author:  Cras [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:50 ]
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No, but it covers politics in about 30 countries so unlikely to be run by any U.K. Political group

Author:  Squirt [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:55 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Malirines.

If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the Malirines.

Author:  MrChris [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:57 ]
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Er...

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:58 ]
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Squirt wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Malirines.

If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the Malirines.


Sounds like a really, really, camp dance troupe

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:58 ]
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Squirt wrote:
MrChris wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Couple regiments of Royal Marines and some Bradley M2s

Why are the Marines using American IFVs?

Plus, what are the Royal Marines doing in Regiments? Have they been taken over by the Army? I'm starting to doubt the veracity of your answer, MaliA!!!


War loot, um.. demob...

Author:  Squirt [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:59 ]
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It's a bit odd how you can be 62% Labour, 61% Lib Dems and also 57% Conservative. If all the major parties are that close, you may as well just pick one based on how much you like the colour of their logo.

Author:  Kern [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:59 ]
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Giphy "malirines":

Author:  MrChris [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 13:03 ]
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Squirt wrote:
It's a bit odd how you can be 62% Labour, 61% Lib Dems and also 57% Conservative. If all the major parties are that close, you may as well just pick one based on how much you like the colour of their logo.

You've uncovered the reason I vote Lib Dem.

Author:  Kern [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 13:06 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Er...


You're the bigger fascist.

Author:  Grim... [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 13:11 ]
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'mon the Scots!

Quote:
Parties you side with...
SNP
70% SNP
62% Plaid Cymru
61% Green
60% Liberal Democrat
58% Sinn Féin
51% Conservative
48% Labour
45% UKIP
42% Democratic Unionist
29% British National

Author:  zaphod79 [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 13:11 ]
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Interesting if you do as they suggested and switch around between the different European countries

Germany
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France
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Spain
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Author:  TheVision [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 13:13 ]
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The BNP still exist don't they but I didn't think that Nick Griffin is their leader anymore?

Not that I actively keep up with them you understand, I cannot stress that enough.

Author:  TheCookie197 [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 13:26 ]
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For me Labour and Green ended up being higher (69%) than the SNP (67%). Not surprised about Green, but a little with Labour. Tories are, unsurprisingly, right down at 35%

Author:  Malc [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 13:27 ]
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Quite happy with that...

Author:  MrChris [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 13:56 ]
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Unsubmissive France?!?!?!?

Author:  zaphod79 [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 14:24 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Unsubmissive France?!?!?!?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsubmissive_France

Author:  Cras [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 15:30 ]
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Cheese eating never surrender monkeys!

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