Political Banter and Debate Thread

Goddess Jasmine · **Posted:** Wed Oct 13, 2021 19:41

Is that for real?!

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Oct 13, 2021 19:47

Yeah, I checked the website twice.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Oct 13, 2021 20:12

It's utterly sickening that someone would even propose such a thing.

Ugh. I don't think I've ever despised an administration more.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16375

Kern wrote:

It's utterly sickening that someone would even propose such a thing.

Yup and the Great British Public will fucking love it.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 24669

Just saw this on the BBC news website front page.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58929453

Quote:

A man has been arrested after reports that Conservative MP Sir David Amess was stabbed at a constituency surgery.
Essex Police said they were called to reports of a stabbing in Leigh-on-Sea at 12:05 BST and recovered a knife from the scene.
They said they were not looking for anyone else in connection to the incident.
Former party leader Sir Iain Duncan Smith said he was "praying for a full recovery".
He said on Twitter: "My thoughts are with David Amess MP and his family at this awful time.
"Praying for a full recovery following this appalling, shocking news. This angry, violent behaviour cannot be tolerated in politics or any other walk of life..."

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Oct 15, 2021 14:48

Horrific.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Oct 15, 2021 15:06

He died.

Bloody hell.

https://www.essex.police.uk/news/essex/ ... of-murder/

Malc · **Posted:** Fri Oct 15, 2021 15:15

Devastating

I wasn't hopefull when I saw the air ambulance was still there almost 3 hours after it happened, but I feel sick now hearing that my worst fears are confirmed.

I really am shocked

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri Oct 15, 2021 15:20

That is truely horrible..

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 24669

Jeez. That’s horrible.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Oct 15, 2021 19:12

I was on a zoom call with my MP and MrsA came down, told me to mute it and said "An MP has been stabbed". End of call, she was off to do her surgery work.

It's sickening.

NervousPete · **Posted:** Fri Oct 15, 2021 19:19

Deeply sad and disturbing. I pray this is the last time this happens.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:54

The Standards Commissioner has found a Tory MP guilty of dodgy dealings, so the Tories want to throw out the findings.

Not sure this is how you restore trust in politics.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2021 17:14

I see corruption is now A-OK

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14352

MaliA wrote:

I see corruption is now A-OK

Its always been A-OK , however being caught at it was not before , it will be shortly :-(

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49061

No, corruption is still bad, but we're not going to do anything about it this time for reasons, and we'll change how the committee works to make sure that nobody notices the corruption in future

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16375

There's really no hope at all any more is there?

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2021 19:00

It's the utter contempt that really gets to me.

Checking the voting lists, and yes, my MP when faced with doing the right thing or somehow not making it to the chamber, voted on the party line. Never a good idea to write when angry, however...

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16375

I'm guessing all the ones that didn't show were busy at sex parties or eating children or something. They probably have a rota for who has to show up when they need to get something like this through.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2021 19:40

There's apparantly a lot of pairing, and covid, which explains some absentions.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 24669

I have a Labour MP, (who is pretty useless, really), but at least doesn’t aid in voting this shit through.

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 4736

Mimi wrote:

I have a Labour MP, (who is pretty useless, really), but at least doesn’t aid in voting this shit through.

I have Sajid.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2021 21:32

Labour were belling me up again on Saturday, whilst I think of it. Asked them to call back and then missed the second call.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 24669

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

Mimi wrote:

I have a Labour MP, (who is pretty useless, really), but at least doesn’t aid in voting this shit through.

I have Sajid.

We have Vaz (Valerie, sister to Keith of ‘prostitutes and cocaine’ fame, when stuff like that had an impact).

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 9752

markg wrote:

I'm guessing all the ones that didn't show were busy at sex parties or eating children

Come on now, have some respect - I'm sure they can do both!

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 9752

I feel like this country is about done. Neither politicians nor populace can really be bothered making a proper showing of doing their bit and so we're lazily sighing our way to the bottom of the barrel.

Sir Taxalot · **Joined:** 5th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 4358

Mimi wrote:

when stuff like that had an impact.

I was thinking a similar thing as I was reading through this thread. Now, I'm not and nor have I ever been particularly politically active but even I can recall when the whole 'sleaze' thing was a big concern and it seemed like people were booted for it, what happened to all of that?

It seems like these days it's very hard for the pollies to mess up in a way that results in any repercussions at all.

Quote:

‘prostitutes and cocaine’

If that was a policy it might win some votes right now

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49061

MaliA wrote:

belling me up

What

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:48

Cras wrote:

MaliA wrote:

belling me up

What

As in:

Plan B wrote:

I got my peeps standing with me at the bar doing shots
'Cause now we're so fucking plastered, we don't know when to stop
I got my girlfriend ringing me, belling me up
I know I should probably answer, but I just can't be fucked
I got my peeps standing with me, and I'm having a blast
I'm feeling so fucking good right now, I want it to last
So I put my phone on silent, and I refill my glass

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49061

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 24669

‘Bell me’ or ‘bell me up’ was slang for ‘call me’ even when I was a kid, you old-timer.

krazywookie · **Posted:** Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:13

BikNorton wrote:

I feel like this country is about done. Neither politicians nor populace can really be bothered making a proper showing of doing their bit and so we're lazily sighing our way to the bottom of the barrel.

I don't think it's just us

It's probably for the best that we don't all own assault rifles

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:04

And now they've ditched it.

Giphy "un-fucking-believable.":
https://media4.giphy.com/media/9zv7bReqYBHVK/giphy-loop.mp4

Findus Fop · **Joined:** 14th May, 2009 **Posts:** 4145

that is a wonderful giphy

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:07

Surprisingly apt, too.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 24669

This tactic of governing by reaction is awful. They seem to push the boundaries by seeing what the public pick up on, notice, or react to and then roll back the instances where this happens, so they seem to feel free to let pretty much any awful shit pass in the idea that if the public raise an outcry, they’ll just undo it, no harm done.

Malc · **Posted:** Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:49

So that's twice in (how many days ago was the vote for shit in rivers?) days where Conservatives have voted for something and then the very next day when they realise that EVERYONE hates how they voted, they have immediatly said "oh we didn't mean it like that! "

and yet, they are still polling at over 40%!

What an ignorant country we live in.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Nov 04, 2021 14:08

It's the ongoing relentlessness of it that really gets to me. If it's not corruption, it's the on-going disaster of Brexit; if not Brexit, it's pouring shit into the rivers; if it's not pouring shit into the rivers, it's the Prime Minister making Britain look stupid on the world stage, and so on ad nauseum.

Whilst I've been cutting down my daily intake for my own sanity's sake, I just cannot comprehend what people still see in these people. It's not even like they're competently evil or people I disagree with but can respect.

Gah.

Findus Fop · **Joined:** 14th May, 2009 **Posts:** 4145

Kern wrote:

It's the ongoing relentlessness of it that really gets to me. If it's not corruption, it's the on-going disaster of Brexit; if not Brexit, it's pouring shit into the rivers; if it's not pouring shit into the rivers, it's the Prime Minister making Britain look stupid on the world stage, and so on ad nauseum.

Whilst I've been cutting down my daily intake for my own sanity's sake, I just cannot comprehend what people still see in these people. It's not even like they're competently evil or people I disagree with but can respect.

Gah.

Bring back the good old days of Michael Howard as Home Sec. At least he was a grown-up awful bastard.

I was listening to the radio this morning and No Surprises came on. And the line "Bring down the government, they don't speak for us." of course resonated strongly. And it made me think about how furious(ly teenage) I felt about things back in 1997. But those really were the good old days, pre-millenial tension or not.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 9752

Malc wrote:

and yet, they are still polling at over 40%!

What an ignorant country we live in.

Perhaps it's ignorance in the political action gross groups and media, maybe if they figured out how to convey their messages via tiktok...

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16375

Maybe they went a bit far when this is the front of the Daily Mail:

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 24669

The Mail published some of its own reader survey results the other week (maybe two or three weeks ago?) and the results were pretty interesting.

I couldn’t find a brilliant copy of them, apologies, and I didn’t want to go clicking around giving them ad revenue, but no matter how they try to spin these results, I think there is some regret creeping in. Especially the EU vote.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 24669

just re-read over it. Alongside Brexit regret is the pressing question of whether you’d like to go for a int with the queen. Goodness me.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49061

"Sink back into sleaze" is a bit passive. It's more of a joyous gambol.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Nov 04, 2021 15:06

41% not quite grasping the concept of hereditary monarchy either.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 24669

Kern wrote:

41% not quite grasping the concept of hereditary monarchy either.

I’ve wondered this (because I’d be in that 41%; my knowledge and care for the royals is poor). If Charles abdicated, or just refused the crown (if abdication is only when in-post) does it go to his son, or would it be his brother (or… sister?)

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Nov 04, 2021 15:13

His son.

The line to 24th place is here, whilst Wikipedia goes to 63.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 24669

So maybe that’s what they’re thinking: that Charles should just step aside for the good feeling of Mailers.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16375

It would make sense when they're going to have to go to all the faff of changing the coins and stamps to not have someone who's already about 80 or something.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Nov 04, 2021 15:21

Looks like they really wouldn't want Megan as the next James Bond. What do they have against her?

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