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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 16:08 
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Tbf if I’d had to go to mainstream school I wouldn’t have survived. I was very lucky my parents had the means to pay for my education (well, they got themselves up to the eyeballs in debt, but still).


Surely you agree that taxpayers shouldn't be subsidising private schools though.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 16:15 
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Tbf if I’d had to go to mainstream school I wouldn’t have survived. I was very lucky my parents had the means to pay for my education (well, they got themselves up to the eyeballs in debt, but still).


Surely you agree that taxpayers shouldn't be subsidising private schools though.

Absolutely. Parents and shareholders should pay more, obviously.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 18:22 
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Cras wrote:
Mr Chonks wrote:
Tbf if I’d had to go to mainstream school I wouldn’t have survived. I was very lucky my parents had the means to pay for my education (well, they got themselves up to the eyeballs in debt, but still).


Surely you agree that taxpayers shouldn't be subsidising private schools though.


They most definitely should not.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 18:23 
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Tbf if I’d had to go to mainstream school I wouldn’t have survived. I was very lucky my parents had the means to pay for my education (well, they got themselves up to the eyeballs in debt, but still).


Surely you agree that taxpayers shouldn't be subsidising private schools though.

Absolutely. Parents and shareholders should pay more, obviously.


Private schools are run as charities.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 18:44 
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Tbf if I’d had to go to mainstream school I wouldn’t have survived. I was very lucky my parents had the means to pay for my education (well, they got themselves up to the eyeballs in debt, but still).


Surely you agree that taxpayers shouldn't be subsidising private schools though.

Absolutely. Parents and shareholders should pay more, obviously.


Private schools are run as charities.

Tax efficient. Your mate Tony would like it.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:17 
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Fuck me Johnson is just flat out bad at PMQs, he seems to confuse getting angry, bangy, and throwing out long words he vaguely remembers from boarding school with actual debate with someone who is clearly massively more on the ball and up to the job than he is.

Also he flat out just won't answer the questions for, well, obvious reasons.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Fuck me Johnson is just flat out bad at PMQs, he seems to confuse getting angry, bangy, and throwing out long words he vaguely remembers from boarding school with actual debate with someone who is clearly massively more on the ball and up to the job than he is.


Aye. It's staggering how poor he is. I always thought a major flaw with Corbyn was a reluctance to use follow-ups wisely, and Johnson keeps falling into basic traps time and again. I don't think Johnson can be bothered to prepare, just as I don't think he's interested in governing.

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Also he flat out just won't answer the questions for, well, obvious reasons.


He's not even very good at not answering questions, sticking to one or two set lines that often aren't even in the same county as the expected response. Besides, why is being a lawyer insulting? Not like journalists are highly thought of across the general public.


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Also he flat out just won't answer the questions for, well, obvious reasons.


The most concerning response he gave was to the angry DUP MP. Either Johnson doesn't understand what he signed up to regarding Northern Ireland, or he is deeply in denial about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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That's the thing, Starmer can think on his feet and he's clearly going in very well prepared. You get the feeling Johnson is being briefed on the stuff they know is going to come up, and thus appears somewhat prepared, but only to a superficial level, and Starmer quickly scrubs that away, week after week, to reveal Johnson's ignorance, and all that's left is bluster.

I also note how Johnson constantly plays to the gallery, he needs the whoops and hollers from the stooges on his backbenches, whereas Starmer is 100% focused on the task at hand and obviously has confidence in his own knowledge and ability.

I'm at a loss to understand why Johnson seems to think that turning it into 'Opposition's Questions' is a good idea, especially when he starts falling back on the same lame questions week after week, it doesn't look like a position of strength to get all flustered and shouty with the leader of the opposition and demand he answer the Prime Minister's questions.....

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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RLB been given a ticket on HMS DoOne.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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I have no opinion either way at the moment because I don’t know all the facts. Apparently she shared an article that said the US police learn some of their tactics from the IDF. I don’t know if this is true or not, but it’s not a good look from an MP from a party with a history of AS, regardless if you believe criticising the Israeli state is classed as AS or not.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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I have no opinion either way at the moment because I don’t know all the facts. Apparently she shared an article that said the US police learn some of their tactics from the IDF. I don’t know if this is true or not, but it’s not a good look from an MP from a party with a history of AS, regardless if you believe criticising the Israeli state is classed as AS or not.



It's this one here I believe.

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“The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.”


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(A spokesperson for the Israeli police has denied this, stating that “there is no tactic or protocol that calls to put pressure on the neck or airway”.)

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Yes, I’ve done some reading since. Interestingly an earlier version of that article states Amnesty International was the source, and did not mention the IDF’s response.

Regardless of whether it’s an overreaction or not, strong leadership on this is probably a good idea in order to regain trust in the Jewish community. In my opinion criticising the Israeli state or military doesn’t conflate to AS, but many anti-semites use it as a cover. Anyone who is a Labour MP should think very hard about whether criticising Israel is a sensible idea currently with the historical AS issues.

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The weirdest bit is that Labour asked RLB to tweet a retraction/clarification, which they approved. Then changed their minds and asked her to delete that and the original tweet. Not particularly well handled if that’s the truth.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 21:37 
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Really good explanation here IMO.

RLB should have known better and Starmer made the correct decision. As unfair as it may be, Labour are held to a higher standard than the amoral useless fucking wankers that pass for a government at the moment, and it's with actions like this that Starmer will make Labour electable again.

It's not necessarily pretty, but then neither is a Tory government that's killing tens of thousands of people with its criminal incompetence, Starmer understands what's required to make Labour electable. It's all very well 'winning the argument' and 'being on the right side of history', but it's governments that get to make policy, not the opposition.

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The TL;DR of a leader in today's Oxford Mail is "some of our readers are a bit racist".


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Fuck me, the comments make me want to go and set Oxford on fire. I really thought of all the places Oxford wasn't one of them


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:15 
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Keir Starmer now polling higher than Boris 'Clown Car' Johnson in preference for prime minister.

I mean, I knew a Johnson led government would be a cesspool of incompetence and corruption, but I wasn't expecting them to go to utter shit quite so quickly, although Covid has been brutal in revealing just how completely unsuited to the task at hand Johnson and his cabinet of nodding dogs are.

Also, Starmer's 'negative' qualities, being a bit serious and boring, all of a sudden become exactly the sort of thing you want in a leader at times of crisis. Johnson's a decent gameshow host, but a fucking terrible prime minister.

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We need someone like Ian McDonald, "the voice of the Falklands War." Very serious and respected, he was.


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Great line from Jonathan Freedland in the Guardian today about the reopening of the pubs:

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...his government of geniuses picked Saturday solely because of the pleasing headlines that the Fourth of July suggested – rather forgetting that this is the day when Americans celebrate their escape from the rule of a dysfunctional London elite headed by a man with more children than you could count and prone to gibbering in public.


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