More of this kind of thing, please. From everyone.

Me too, too.

But on the other hand, it's equally easy to efficiently spread rumours that a site cannot be trusted, and thus should be ignored. Even if it's actually giving reasonable advice.

I also saw tweets about this site that said "it only ever says LibDem and should not be used." Based on a few datapoints in this thread, the first part of that statement isn't true, which puts the second part into doubt.

Me too, too.

More of this kind of thing, please. From everyone.

Jacob Rees-Mogg claimed people with "common sense" would not have followed official instructions to stay in their home during the Grenfell fire. He looked at LBC presenter Nick Ferrari and noted: "I think if either of us were in a fire, whatever the fire brigade said, we would leave the burning building." In other words: People like us wouldn't be so stupid. Only the poor are that stupid.

Soon afterwards, the Tory MP Andrew Bridgen seemed to corroborate that assessment. Radio 4 presenter Evan Davis put to him the following proposition: "He is, in effect, saying 'I wouldn't have died because I would have been cleverer than the people who took the fire brigade's advice'."

There was a long pause, and finally, having thought about it, Bridgen answered: "But we want very clever people running the country, don't we, Evan?"

And suddenly a whole other world of private conversations opened up, which you never had the poverty of imagination to think possible. One in which Conservatives would sit together and loftily dismiss the reasons for Grenfell, and confide in each other that the real reason so many people burned to death was because they were too stupid to leave. This, after all, is where Conservatism goes when it is unchecked by moderation or its better instincts. It starts by harbouring thoughts that the poor are poor because they deserve it. And ends by harbouring the thought that they are dead because they deserve it.

There's a deep truth about conservatism here. Not all conservatives think this way, sure. But it's far from uncommon. The belief that society is a meritocracy, that people succeed based on effort, that luck and privilege do not exist; hence that the poor are deserving of their lot because they have failed to apply themselves and the rich are morally superior because they did.

It's a larger part of why the US is suck a fucking shitshow in my opinion because the above pretty much describes the fabled 'American Dream' that they take so seriously. It's all well and good to think that with hard work people can make something of themselves; but the terrible corollary of that is that if you're not successful it can only be because you're lazy and/or stupid. This is a problem attitude everywhere of course--as you point out with the above UK example--but it seems especially fucking pernicious in the US because of this 'land of opportunity' horseshit that they're indoctrinated in from birth.

what a weird court case

my friends husband was diagnosed with a rare genetic disorder resulting in degenerative motor function and brain issues
they already had 3 kids at the time he was diagnosed
she and I have had some chats about her ponderings about having the kids tested or not. Knowing they carry the gene vs not knowing. Potentially telling the kids at 18 and letting them decide to get tested or not. Do you want to burden them with that choice? You can't not tell the. etc etc.
awful dilemmas

The Grimlet is a carrier for Cystic Fibrosis, and we've been telling him that since he could understand what we meant. To not do so would be horrifically unethical of us, IMO.

If Mrs Grimlet is also a carrier there's a 1/4 chance of their kid having CF.

But a 100% chance of their kids being carriers, is that right?

Just seen Bercow do a trailer for Sky News. He could have done better for his inevitable selling-out.

Hitler wasn't a socialist.

Indeed, I tried. As devilman says though, clearly someone who is never going to see sense.

I recently started playing a variant of "The Game" (sorry) called "Hitler" where you see if you can go a day without either thinking of him or coming across any reference to him. It's surprisingly tricky.

I recently started playing a variant of "The Game" (sorry) called "Hitler" where you see if you can go a day without either thinking of him or coming across any reference to him. It's surprisingly tricky.

I don't particularly want to be thinking of Hitler every day.

Roy Wood went DARK for his follow up.

I recently started playing a variant of "The Game" (sorry) called "Hitler" where you see if you can go a day without either thinking of him or coming across any reference to him. It's surprisingly tricky.

Well, today it is

He's back!

https://twitter.com/HughEaston/status/1 ... 2668235776

Their party literally had socialist in the name, their political strategist (Strasser) and propagandist (Goebbels) were socialists, and Hitler himself espoused socialism.https://t.co/1PKiJMNKKp
But hey, as Goebbels said, repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it.

— Hugh Easton (@HughEaston) December 2, 2019

Prompting this reply:

https://twitter.com/gazchap/status/1201551404621545478

Ah, you've bested me with your link to Quora (FFS). Clearly, my citation of the Encyclopedia-fucking-Britannica is not trustworthy enough, so let's pay attention to some random opinion on Quora, from someone who refers to themselves as a "non-Aryan".

Top job!

— Gareth Griffiths (@gazchap) December 2, 2019