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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 13:21 
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Out of interest, do you know what decisions she is against?

She mentioned cuts to the dial a taxi thing for disabled/elderly. Stuff to do with trains/busses not being as frequent, something to do with going back on Social housing commitments and there was something else to do with Care as well which I can't recall, and I am sure there was something else too. It was all stuff I wasn't aware of because I thought (from Living in Devon) that he was doing a good job and was perceived as doing a good job (other than moans about stabbings in Right Wing Papers). Sorry its a bit vague, but it was a conversation we had back in August.

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Out of interest, do you know what decisions she is against?

She mentioned cuts to the dial a taxi thing for disabled/elderly. Stuff to do with trains/busses not being as frequent, something to do with going back on Social housing commitments and there was something else to do with Care as well which I can't recall, and I am sure there was something else too. It was all stuff I wasn't aware of because I thought (from Living in Devon) that he was doing a good job and was perceived as doing a good job (other than moans about stabbings in Right Wing Papers). Sorry its a bit vague, but it was a conversation we had back in August.

Won’t all of those cuts come down from central government though, not the mayor’s office?

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I think the Mayor is ultimately in charge of TFL though? I don't actually know about the rest.

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TFL doesn't run either trains or buses, they are all contracted out and TFL manage those contracts.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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TFL doesn't run either trains or buses, they are all contracted out and TFL manage those contracts.


But presumably those companies have to say to TFL, we'd like to cut X, Y and Z and increase A, B and C and TFL have to agree, and then the head of TFL has to go to the Assembly and/or Mayor and say we've allowed them to do this? With the Mayor/TFL having some say over if it happens?

Or at the worst they would lose their contracts like Uber almost did (don't they have some sort of temp stay of execution going on at the moment?)

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Eh, not really. They'll have a degree of discretion baked into the contract. Most likely there will be a minimum service level guarantee, down as low as an hourly service, with the contracted vendor having flexibility to lower or raise frequency depending on demand.

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Even by Owen Jones's standards, this is amazing.

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What’s wrong with it specifically?

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You can hear him making the loop in the lower case y in Corbyn into a heart shape. It's crazily gushing, even by his standards.

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So no specifics, just a general feeling you have. Ok!

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I mean, I don’t necessarily agree with a lot of it, but it’s reasonably written imo

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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I think it's probably best if I give the Queen's Speech a miss this year. Not that any of it will be implemented, after all.

The whole Syria thing is sickening, too.


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Margret Thatcher, getting publicly owned in the replies.
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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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I like the bit where she resigns.


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Kern wrote:
I think it's probably best if I give the Queen's Speech a miss this year.


I just saw the summary. My anger is only tempored by the hope that none of it will come to pass.

Still, at least Charles got to dress up for his work experience day.


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The whole Syria thing is sickening, too.

Absolutely.

Those poor kids of IS members, stuck with nowhere to go and waiting for the bombs to drop. It was heartbreaking to see that girl on the news last night. Mother and father dead. Three siblings dead. She can't remember the name of her grandma, who lives in the UK and who may be the only adult relative she has left and yet she seemed calm and lucid as she spoke of all this. And some kids have disappeared after a break out. I can't imagine how they can possibly manage to stay alive and sane.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Skimmed some of the Queen's Speech debate. Corbyn was ok, but, as ever, Ian Blackford was better. Quote of the day goes to North Herefordshire's Bill Wiggin (Con):

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Another gripe I have is this vegetarian nonsense. I have absolutely had it up to here. Someone who really cares about the planet should eat grass-fed meat. There is no way that human beings can consume grass. It makes sense to turn the grass that grows across 60% of our country into protein, and the way to do that is to allow a sheep or cow to eat it and then consume the animal.


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Top-notch debating in the Mother Of Parliaments, yesterday:

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Alok Sharma: Our country is leading the world in tackling some of the greatest challenges facing our planet today, whether in dealing with natural disasters or with the fallout from ​humanitarian crises around the world. We only have to look at the support we have provided to people fleeing Venezuela. We do not stand idly by while the Maduro regime brutalises its people. The leader of the Labour party may celebrate the achievement of that despotic ruler, seeing it perhaps as his blueprint for Britain, but we do not—[Interruption.] The right hon. Member for Islington South and Finsbury (Emily Thornberry) suggests that what I am saying is inaccurate—

Emily Thornberry (Islington South and Finsbury) (Lab): It’s bollocks.

Hon. Members: Outrageous!

Alok Sharma: Perhaps—

Sir Hugo Swire: And sexist, by definition!

Mr Speaker: Order. I did not hear the word, but if the word used was that which has just been put to me, it was tasteless. [Interruption.] I know that the right hon. Member for East Devon (Sir Hugo Swire) means well, but I am not sure that I regard him as a great arbiter on these important matters, although he may be starting to negotiate the learning curve. I am sure he is well intentioned and trying his best.


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"Its bollocks" meets the criteria of the four C's in this instance.

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Didn't the Sex Pistols prove "bollocks" isn't offensive?


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Nik wrote:
JC, I'm really sorry things are so bad for you, but there is no point in debating any moral point with you, as you clearly have no empathy for others at all.

This has been preying on my mind. JC, please accept my belated apologies for this comment - it was totally out of order.

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... unn-family

Jesus fucking Christ.

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I’d be inclined to think this is Trump making shit up rather than a true version of events.


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If it was anyone else he was talking about I'd agree but since it's Boris Johnson I've got no idea.


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I’d be inclined to think this is Trump making shit up rather than a true version of events.


It's hard to know what to believe anymore. Like this letter from Trump to Turkey... you could assume it's fake because it's so terrible, but could just as easily be real because Trump himself is so terrible.

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Another Liverpool based, Jewish MP leaves the Labour Party. Starting to think there's something to this whole anti-Semitism thing


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If you'd like to learn more about Labour's anti-Semitism stuff, Rachel Riley talks about it a lot on Twitter. It has bonus pictures of Rachel Riley.

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If you'd like to learn more about Labour's anti-Semitism stuff, Rachel Riley talks about it a lot on Twitter. It has bonus pictures of Rachel Riley.

Boy oh boy, but she's not a fan of ol' Jezza!


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If you'd like to learn more about Labour's anti-Semitism stuff, Rachel Riley talks about it a lot on Twitter. It has bonus pictures of Rachel Riley.

Boy oh boy, but she's not a fan of ol' Jezza!

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I had to stop reading that article as it was making me too angry. I'd make vaccines compulsory (with exceptions for children with conditions that make them medically unsuitable), with the penalty for failure being the kids and parents have to ring a bell and shout "unclean" when in public places.


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Haw haw haw. I'm sure him and Johnson will have a jolly good laugh about it at their next dinner.

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I think I'm against an early election, mostly because Mr Johnson is in favour of one. Probably not the most rational approach, but the thought of a majority in the Commons even less than 52% of the vote giving him a "mandate" for his hardest of Brexits worries me.


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I think there has to be one. Without it nothing can change and hard brexiters only need to get lucky ones. Also it means we can finally get rid of Kate Hoey.

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Also it means we can finally get rid of Kate Hoey.


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Didn't Mark Francois promise us that the country would explode on 1st November, rendering all such plans unnecessary?


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Didn't Mark Francois promise us that the country would explode on 1st November, rendering all such plans unnecessary?


And there'll be no Conservative Party either, wouldn't that be nice?

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And there'll be no Conservative Party either, wouldn't that be nice?


Not if it regenerates into the Brexit Party or some form of English nationalist group.


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I've checked my constituency, and it's a Conservative seat, but was super close with Labour last time. The rest are nowhere close.

Guess it's a tactical vote for me.


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I think there has to be one. Without it nothing can change and hard brexiters only need to get lucky ones. Also it means we can finally get rid of Kate Hoey.


My knowledge of politics isn't great, so this might be a stupid question, but isn't there a fair chance than an election could solve nothing regarding Brexit?

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If we get a hung parliament, which at this point in proceedings seems likely, it will depend on how, er, hung Parliament is. We'd have to be in a situation with Labour as the largest party and sufficient non-Tory MPs to get a chance of a referendum bill passing through. Swinson might talk about openly letting Labour into office, but might provide basic confidence to keep them there.


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