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Satsuma wrote:

From the judgement:

Quote:

Had I been awarding damages, those damages would have been assessed at £100.

Lulz

I’m not sure how costs work in Scotland but at the very least he’s thrown a shitload of cash at his own lawyers.

Damages != costs, right?

"Costs?"

No judgement was made by the sheriff on costs, which remain to be settled.

This is sobering, and I fear too much of it will come to pass:
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-and-t ... l-11695821

I fucking hate that shit so much. Cockends.

Aren't they PR elections anyway?

"if you don't vote for us THEY'LL get in'

I wouldn't say it was only on domestic issues. Farage has shown that anti-EU MEPs don't do the job they're paid to do. Don't turn up to debates, votes, or committee meetings. I think it's reasonable to assume that any Brexit Party MEP would be a shitty MEP for all issues affecting Europe.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/uk-porn-ban-july-deadline-when-date-online-websites-adult-age-verification-a8874181.html

I can’t wait to go down to the newsagents for a Porn Pass. “Margaret, can I get a 7 day pass for ‘bangin grannies’ please? Here’s my drivers license, home address and passport. Oh, and completely unrelated, can I have a family sized tub of lube too? Ta.”

Grim... wrote:

I fucking hate that shit so much. Cockends.

Aren't they PR elections anyway?

They are.

Also: there is a dreadful, dreary cynicism about tactical voting in a European election entirely on British domestic issues. I get why people are doing it, but fuck me, what a terrible state we are in if people are heading to the polls with no thought at all given to the fact they are electing representatives to sit in Brussels on their behalf for perhaps five years, and what those representatives might do there.

I prefer this side by side version:

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1 ... 1026450433

â€œA second referendum would be a disaster because it would boost the far right. Anyway, Iâ€™m off to campaign for notable racist Nigel Farage.â€ pic.twitter.com/djnntpwZVt
— James Felton (@JimMFelton) April 17, 2019

Surprised you didn't just ask him.

Quote:

"Costs?"

No judgement was made by the sheriff on costs, which remain to be settled.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-47980484

Turns out Ukraine is just as crazy as the UK and the USA.

Well done Fiona Onasanya. First MP to lose their seat under the Recall of MPs Act 2015! And all because you drove too fast.

BBC

However it’s interesting that Ian Paisley, a white man, survived his recall petition.

So, Gavin Williamson then. Guilty?

Given the tone of the Prime Minister's letter, I doubt she would have written it without being confident in it. After all, if she were the firing time, Chris Grayling would long ago have become an answer in a history quiz.

I will vote Green. I'll not risk a vote for Labour being seen as an endorsement of the Labour party's Brexit policy, nor its leadership.

MaliA wrote:

I will vote Green. I'll not risk a vote for Labour being seen as an endorsement of the Labour party's Brexit policy, nor its leadership.

Not an option for the local election here, only Lab or Con.

Zardoz wrote:

MaliA wrote:

I will vote Green. I'll not risk a vote for Labour being seen as an endorsement of the Labour party's Brexit policy, nor its leadership.

Not an option for the local election here, only Lab or Con.

I have 2 Con, 1 Lab and 1 Lib Dem. I have to pick 2 of them! (A long time ago, I decided I would never vote for the Conservatives or Labour [unless something major happened to shift that pov] so that leaves the Lib Dems [whom I have voted for before]) which is far from ideal, in your situation I think I would just spoil the paper.

Here's a crazy idea, not sure if anyone has thought about this.
Maybe it wasn't about race or gender?

Trooper wrote:

Here's a crazy idea, not sure if anyone has thought about this.
Maybe it wasn't about race or gender?

Wow, a middle class, straight, white man says something is not about race or gender. I should listen to this

Mr Chonks wrote:

Trooper wrote:

Here's a crazy idea, not sure if anyone has thought about this.
Maybe it wasn't about race or gender?

Wow, a middle class, straight, white man says something is not about race or gender. I should listen to this

Wow, a middle class, straight, white man says something is about race or gender, I should listen to this.

Trooper wrote:

Mr Chonks wrote:

Trooper wrote:

Here's a crazy idea, not sure if anyone has thought about this.
Maybe it wasn't about race or gender?

Wow, a middle class, straight, white man says something is not about race or gender. I should listen to this

Wow, a middle class, straight, white man says something is about race or gender, I should listen to this.

I am not all of those things, but that is beside the point:

Mr Chonks wrote:

Trooper wrote:

Mr Chonks wrote:

Trooper wrote:

Here's a crazy idea, not sure if anyone has thought about this.
Maybe it wasn't about race or gender?

Wow, a middle class, straight, white man says something is not about race or gender. I should listen to this

Wow, a middle class, straight, white man says something is about race or gender, I should listen to this.

I am not all of those things, but that is beside the point:

It's entirely the point.
You're as much all of those things as I am, or did you make an assumption about me, based on how I look and my gender.
Interesting.

Author:	Trooper [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 14:33 ]
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"He also described Mr Campbell as someone who has "chosen insult and condemnation as his style", and said the blogger cannot expect to be able to "hold others to a higher standard of respect than he is willing himself to adopt." That seems key in the decision as to whether to award damages.

Author:	Dr Zoidberg [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 14:34 ]
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I can’t help but think of this. https://youtu.be/W8otwr7ArmA

Author:	Satsuma [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 14:49 ]
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Grim... wrote: Satsuma wrote: From the judgement: Quote: Had I been awarding damages, those damages would have been assessed at £100. Lulz I’m not sure how costs work in Scotland but at the very least he’s thrown a shitload of cash at his own lawyers. Damages != costs, right? No, damages are the remedy he wanted (eg. An award for being defamed) and costs are the lawyers fees. In England & Wales the usual rule (subject to a load of exceptions and other rules) is that the loser pays the winners legal costs (in addition to any damages if the loser is also the defendant). I don’t know how it works in Scotland but the last paragraph says the parties are seek to agree “expenses” which could be the lawyers fees. Soooo, SC “may” have to pay his own fees and the MPs. But then again he might challenge that as well. It’s a complex business.

Author:	Grim... [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 14:52 ]
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Surprised you didn't just ask him. Quote: "Costs?" No judgement was made by the sheriff on costs, which remain to be settled.

Author:	Satsuma [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 14:58 ]
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I see that comment now on his page, no, that wasn’t me. Just has a cursory look and the rules look similar to E&W. He might have purchased ATE Insurance to cover any adverse costs orders though. A 3 day trial would be bloody expensive though.

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Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 15:04 ]
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This is sobering, and I fear too much of it will come to pass: https://news.sky.com/story/labour-and-t ... l-11695821

Author:	zaphod79 [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 15:21 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: This is sobering, and I fear too much of it will come to pass: https://news.sky.com/story/labour-and-t ... l-11695821 This is the bit that also makes me think we are soooooo soooo f#cked https://twitter.com/britainelects/statu ... 4893381632 European Parliament voting intention: BREX: 27% LAB: 22% CON: 15% GRN: 10% LDEM: 9% UKIP: 7% CHUK: 6% via @YouGov, 15 - 16 Apr — Britain Elects (@britainelects) April 17, 2019 New party - single issue - loads of 'dark' money backers

Author:	MaliA [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 15:29 ]
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"if you don't vote for us THEY'LL get in' Check out @OwenJones84’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/ ... 0519694337 So, the only way of stopping a huge propaganda victory for Nigel Farage and the British hard right is to vote Labour in the European Parliament elections. https://t.co/4n3aocz84Z — Owen JonesðŸŒ¹ (@OwenJones84) April 17, 2019

Author:	Grim... [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 15:30 ]
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I fucking hate that shit so much. Cockends. Aren't they PR elections anyway?

Author:	zaphod79 [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 16:16 ]
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Grim... wrote: I fucking hate that shit so much. Cockends. Aren't they PR elections anyway? They are.

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 16:26 ]
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MaliA wrote: "if you don't vote for us THEY'LL get in' Neatly skipping over how Labour's unwillingness to support remain has made it a non-viable option for many voters. Also: there is a dreadful, dreary cynicism about tactical voting in a European election entirely on British domestic issues. I get why people are doing it, but fuck me, what a terrible state we are in if people are heading to the polls with no thought at all given to the fact they are electing representatives to sit in Brussels on their behalf for perhaps five years, and what those representatives might do there.

Author:	Cras [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 16:33 ]
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I wouldn't say it was only on domestic issues. Farage has shown that anti-EU MEPs don't do the job they're paid to do. Don't turn up to debates, votes, or committee meetings. I think it's reasonable to assume that any Brexit Party MEP would be a shitty MEP for all issues affecting Europe.

Author:	myp [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 16:34 ]
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Cras wrote: I wouldn't say it was only on domestic issues. Farage has shown that anti-EU MEPs don't do the job they're paid to do. Don't turn up to debates, votes, or committee meetings. I think it's reasonable to assume that any Brexit Party MEP would be a shitty MEP for all issues affecting Europe. Yet they lead the polls by five points

Author:	Satsuma [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 17:12 ]
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https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 74181.html I can’t wait to go down to the newsagents for a Porn Pass. “Margaret, can I get a 7 day pass for ‘bangin grannies’ please? Here’s my drivers license, home address and passport. Oh, and completely unrelated, can I have a family sized tub of lube too? Ta.”

Author:	Kern [ Wed May 01, 2019 8:37 ]
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The Japanese Empreror has abdicated in favour of his son. Breakfast must be fun at the Windsors' this morning.

Author:	Kern [ Thu May 02, 2019 10:13 ]
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Haven't voted yet. Will do so this afternoon. Was rather tempted by the payment for poll clerking but decided I didn't fancy spending 17 hours in a village hall in darkest West Oxfordshire.

Author:	Dr Zoidberg [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 17:50 ]
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Satsuma wrote: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/uk-porn-ban-july-deadline-when-date-online-websites-adult-age-verification-a8874181.html I can’t wait to go down to the newsagents for a Porn Pass. “Margaret, can I get a 7 day pass for ‘bangin grannies’ please? Here’s my drivers license, home address and passport. Oh, and completely unrelated, can I have a family sized tub of lube too? Ta.” This will last about 30 seconds before a bunch of horny teenagers are circulating lists of non-uk porn sites or instructions on which free or dirt cheap VPN client works best. I totally get the need to stop young children receiving sex-ed from porn but I'm very sceptical about how effective this will be.

Author:	Kern [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 19:34 ]
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zaphod79 wrote: Grim... wrote: I fucking hate that shit so much. Cockends. Aren't they PR elections anyway? They are. It's a regional system rather than a national one, so the arrangement of the parties does matter if you'll fighting for, say, the three seats in the North East of England. Still better than FPTP though.

Author:	Kern [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 19:36 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Also: there is a dreadful, dreary cynicism about tactical voting in a European election entirely on British domestic issues. I get why people are doing it, but fuck me, what a terrible state we are in if people are heading to the polls with no thought at all given to the fact they are electing representatives to sit in Brussels on their behalf for perhaps five years, and what those representatives might do there. Quite. Especially since now the Parliament essentially elects the head of the commission. The Tories are bit screwed on this as they're no longer in the EPP so haven't been involved in picking their candidate. I find talk of 'winning' the European Elections a bit misleading. The 'winners' would be the largest grouping in the Parliament itself, not of the UK contigent. But, heigh-ho.

Author:	MaliA [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 20:17 ]
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Check out @georgegalloway’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/stat ... 1785065472 Given the nature of Labourâ€™s Euro-fanatic candidates list and the crucial juncture we have reached in the fight for the full implementation of the #Brexit referendum result and for one-time only I will be supporting @Nigel_Farage in next months elections. @TheBrexitPartly — George Galloway (@georgegalloway) April 17, 2019

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 20:30 ]
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I prefer this side by side version: https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1 ... 1026450433 â€œA second referendum would be a disaster because it would boost the far right. Anyway, Iâ€™m off to campaign for notable racist Nigel Farage.â€ pic.twitter.com/djnntpwZVt — James Felton (@JimMFelton) April 17, 2019

Author:	MaliA [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 20:34 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: I prefer this side by side version: https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1 ... 1026450433 â€œA second referendum would be a disaster because it would boost the far right. Anyway, Iâ€™m off to campaign for notable racist Nigel Farage.â€ pic.twitter.com/djnntpwZVt — James Felton (@JimMFelton) April 17, 2019 Hahahaha. Ace!

Author:	Satsuma [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 21:23 ]
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Grim... wrote: Surprised you didn't just ask him. Quote: "Costs?" No judgement was made by the sheriff on costs, which remain to be settled. So I did ask him as a comment on his page, words to the effect “Did you have ATE Insurance to cover an adverse costs order?” because (a) I’m nosey but genuinely interested how defamation cases are funded in Scotland since reading about this case, and (b) there’s a few people in the comments talking about ‘crowdfunding an appeal’ or I’ve donated £20 to ‘the cause’ and so on and just wondered whether he’d tell them his case is funded so there’s no need to give money (if the case ends here) since the adverse costs would be covered. Anyway, the comment sat there as “awaiting moderation” and I’ve just checked and it’s nowhere to be found. Obviously it didn’t pass moderation. I doubt he’ll appeal anyway if the laws are similar to E&W. In E&W the courts don’t really entertain appeals on damages at all. The trial judge is in the best position to assess damages having heard all the evidence and had all relevant factors in mind when giving his judgment. So even if he feels aggrieved at the outcome even if he did successfully appeal he’d probably still only get £100 and a kick up the arse for wasting everyone’s time for a de minimis amount of cash. He’d probably get bitch slapped on costs (again).

Author:	Pundabaya [ Wed Apr 17, 2019 23:54 ]
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Seems like Stu is as good at regular law as he is at Newton's First Law.

Author:	Trooper [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:14 ]
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-47980484 Turns out Ukraine is just as crazy as the UK and the USA.

Author:	Kern [ Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:43 ]
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Mr Trump gets his State Visit in June. This will be fun.

Author:	Curiosity [ Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:45 ]
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Trooper wrote: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-47980484 Turns out Ukraine is just as crazy as the UK and the USA. I’m going to see Bill Pullman in a play tonight. I shall let him know that he is now well qualified to be POTUS.

Author:	Warhead [ Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:51 ]
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Trooper wrote: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-47980484 Turns out Ukraine is just as crazy as the UK and the USA. Russian sock puppet votes will have carried that result, I bet.

Author:	Zardoz [ Wed May 01, 2019 9:14 ]
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Author:	Kern [ Thu May 02, 2019 8:40 ]
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Well done Fiona Onasanya. First MP to lose their seat under the Recall of MPs Act 2015! And all because you drove too fast. BBC

Author:	myp [ Thu May 02, 2019 8:44 ]
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Kern wrote: Well done Fiona Onasanya. First MP to lose their seat under the Recall of MPs Act 2015! And all because you drove too fast. BBC I thought it was harsh until I read she lied about it.

Author:	Kern [ Thu May 02, 2019 8:45 ]
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Chris Huhne is not an appropriate role-model.

Author:	myp [ Thu May 02, 2019 8:53 ]
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However it’s interesting that Ian Paisley, a white man, survived his recall petition.

Author:	DavPaz [ Thu May 02, 2019 8:55 ]
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Mr Chonks wrote: However it’s interesting that Ian Paisley, a white man, survived his recall petition. Well it's a also a swing seat with a tiny majority, so...

Author:	Kern [ Thu May 02, 2019 8:56 ]
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County Antrim is well-known for its diversity.

Author:	Trooper [ Thu May 02, 2019 9:05 ]
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Here's a crazy idea, not sure if anyone has thought about this. Maybe it wasn't about race or gender?