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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 14:33 
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"He also described Mr Campbell as someone who has "chosen insult and condemnation as his style", and said the blogger cannot expect to be able to "hold others to a higher standard of respect than he is willing himself to adopt."

That seems key in the decision as to whether to award damages.


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I can’t help but think of this.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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From the judgement:

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Had I been awarding damages, those damages would have been assessed at £100.


Lulz

I’m not sure how costs work in Scotland but at the very least he’s thrown a shitload of cash at his own lawyers.

Damages != costs, right?


No, damages are the remedy he wanted (eg. An award for being defamed) and costs are the lawyers fees.

In England & Wales the usual rule (subject to a load of exceptions and other rules) is that the loser pays the winners legal costs (in addition to any damages if the loser is also the defendant).

I don’t know how it works in Scotland but the last paragraph says the parties are seek to agree “expenses” which could be the lawyers fees. Soooo, SC “may” have to pay his own fees and the MPs. But then again he might challenge that as well. It’s a complex business.


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Surprised you didn't just ask him.

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No judgement was made by the sheriff on costs, which remain to be settled.

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I see that comment now on his page, no, that wasn’t me. Just has a cursory look and the rules look similar to E&W. He might have purchased ATE Insurance to cover any adverse costs orders though. A 3 day trial would be bloody expensive though.


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This is sobering, and I fear too much of it will come to pass:
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-and-t ... l-11695821


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This is sobering, and I fear too much of it will come to pass:
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-and-t ... l-11695821


This is the bit that also makes me think we are soooooo soooo f#cked

https://twitter.com/britainelects/statu ... 4893381632




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I fucking hate that shit so much. Cockends.

Aren't they PR elections anyway?

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I fucking hate that shit so much. Cockends.

Aren't they PR elections anyway?


They are.


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"if you don't vote for us THEY'LL get in'
Neatly skipping over how Labour's unwillingness to support remain has made it a non-viable option for many voters.

Also: there is a dreadful, dreary cynicism about tactical voting in a European election entirely on British domestic issues. I get why people are doing it, but fuck me, what a terrible state we are in if people are heading to the polls with no thought at all given to the fact they are electing representatives to sit in Brussels on their behalf for perhaps five years, and what those representatives might do there.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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I wouldn't say it was only on domestic issues. Farage has shown that anti-EU MEPs don't do the job they're paid to do. Don't turn up to debates, votes, or committee meetings. I think it's reasonable to assume that any Brexit Party MEP would be a shitty MEP for all issues affecting Europe.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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I wouldn't say it was only on domestic issues. Farage has shown that anti-EU MEPs don't do the job they're paid to do. Don't turn up to debates, votes, or committee meetings. I think it's reasonable to assume that any Brexit Party MEP would be a shitty MEP for all issues affecting Europe.

Yet they lead the polls by five points

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https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 74181.html

I can’t wait to go down to the newsagents for a Porn Pass. “Margaret, can I get a 7 day pass for ‘bangin grannies’ please? Here’s my drivers license, home address and passport. Oh, and completely unrelated, can I have a family sized tub of lube too? Ta.”


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Satsuma wrote:
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/uk-porn-ban-july-deadline-when-date-online-websites-adult-age-verification-a8874181.html

I can’t wait to go down to the newsagents for a Porn Pass. “Margaret, can I get a 7 day pass for ‘bangin grannies’ please? Here’s my drivers license, home address and passport. Oh, and completely unrelated, can I have a family sized tub of lube too? Ta.”


This will last about 30 seconds before a bunch of horny teenagers are circulating lists of non-uk porn sites or instructions on which free or dirt cheap VPN client works best.

I totally get the need to stop young children receiving sex-ed from porn but I'm very sceptical about how effective this will be.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Grim... wrote:
I fucking hate that shit so much. Cockends.

Aren't they PR elections anyway?


They are.


It's a regional system rather than a national one, so the arrangement of the parties does matter if you'll fighting for, say, the three seats in the North East of England. Still better than FPTP though.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Also: there is a dreadful, dreary cynicism about tactical voting in a European election entirely on British domestic issues. I get why people are doing it, but fuck me, what a terrible state we are in if people are heading to the polls with no thought at all given to the fact they are electing representatives to sit in Brussels on their behalf for perhaps five years, and what those representatives might do there.


Quite. Especially since now the Parliament essentially elects the head of the commission. The Tories are bit screwed on this as they're no longer in the EPP so haven't been involved in picking their candidate.

I find talk of 'winning' the European Elections a bit misleading. The 'winners' would be the largest grouping in the Parliament itself, not of the UK contigent. But, heigh-ho.


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I prefer this side by side version:

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1 ... 1026450433




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I prefer this side by side version:

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Surprised you didn't just ask him.

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No judgement was made by the sheriff on costs, which remain to be settled.


So I did ask him as a comment on his page, words to the effect “Did you have ATE Insurance to cover an adverse costs order?” because (a) I’m nosey but genuinely interested how defamation cases are funded in Scotland since reading about this case, and (b) there’s a few people in the comments talking about ‘crowdfunding an appeal’ or I’ve donated £20 to ‘the cause’ and so on and just wondered whether he’d tell them his case is funded so there’s no need to give money (if the case ends here) since the adverse costs would be covered.

Anyway, the comment sat there as “awaiting moderation” and I’ve just checked and it’s nowhere to be found. Obviously it didn’t pass moderation.

I doubt he’ll appeal anyway if the laws are similar to E&W. In E&W the courts don’t really entertain appeals on damages at all. The trial judge is in the best position to assess damages having heard all the evidence and had all relevant factors in mind when giving his judgment. So even if he feels aggrieved at the outcome even if he did successfully appeal he’d probably still only get £100 and a kick up the arse for wasting everyone’s time for a de minimis amount of cash. He’d probably get bitch slapped on costs (again).


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Seems like Stu is as good at regular law as he is at Newton's First Law.


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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-47980484

Turns out Ukraine is just as crazy as the UK and the USA.


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Trooper wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-47980484

Turns out Ukraine is just as crazy as the UK and the USA.


I’m going to see Bill Pullman in a play tonight. I shall let him know that he is now well qualified to be POTUS.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-47980484

Turns out Ukraine is just as crazy as the UK and the USA.

Russian sock puppet votes will have carried that result, I bet.

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The Japanese Empreror has abdicated in favour of his son. Breakfast must be fun at the Windsors' this morning.


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Well done Fiona Onasanya. First MP to lose their seat under the Recall of MPs Act 2015! And all because you drove too fast.

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Well done Fiona Onasanya. First MP to lose their seat under the Recall of MPs Act 2015! And all because you drove too fast.

BBC

I thought it was harsh until I read she lied about it.

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However it’s interesting that Ian Paisley, a white man, survived his recall petition.

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However it’s interesting that Ian Paisley, a white man, survived his recall petition.

Well it's a also a swing seat with a tiny majority, so...


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Here's a crazy idea, not sure if anyone has thought about this.
Maybe it wasn't about race or gender?


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So, Gavin Williamson then. Guilty?

Given the tone of the Prime Minister's letter, I doubt she would have written it without being confident in it. After all, if she were the firing time, Chris Grayling would long ago have become an answer in a history quiz.


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I will vote Green. I'll not risk a vote for Labour being seen as an endorsement of the Labour party's Brexit policy, nor its leadership.

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Haven't voted yet. Will do so this afternoon.

Was rather tempted by the payment for poll clerking but decided I didn't fancy spending 17 hours in a village hall in darkest West Oxfordshire.


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Kern wrote:
So, Gavin Williamson then. Guilty?

Given the tone of the Prime Minister's letter, I doubt she would have written it without being confident in it. After all, if she were the firing time, Chris Grayling would long ago have become an answer in a history quiz.


Leaks from the NSC would be investigated by Special Branch or MI5, surely? They can't risk that sort of stuff getting out. 5G infratructure might not be Super Double Secret, but other info in those meetings would be. I can imagine the PM getting briefed by the security services on any leak of this type.


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I will vote Green. I'll not risk a vote for Labour being seen as an endorsement of the Labour party's Brexit policy, nor its leadership.

Not an option for the local election here, only Lab or Con.

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MaliA wrote:
I will vote Green. I'll not risk a vote for Labour being seen as an endorsement of the Labour party's Brexit policy, nor its leadership.

Not an option for the local election here, only Lab or Con.


I have 2 Con, 1 Lab and 1 Lib Dem. I have to pick 2 of them! (A long time ago, I decided I would never vote for the Conservatives or Labour [unless something major happened to shift that pov] so that leaves the Lib Dems [whom I have voted for before]) which is far from ideal, in your situation I think I would just spoil the paper.

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No local elections here. My council has fucked up so bad, they can't afford to run them...


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I will vote Green. I'll not risk a vote for Labour being seen as an endorsement of the Labour party's Brexit policy, nor its leadership.

Not an option for the local election here, only Lab or Con.


I have 2 Con, 1 Lab and 1 Lib Dem. I have to pick 2 of them! (A long time ago, I decided I would never vote for the Conservatives or Labour [unless something major happened to shift that pov] so that leaves the Lib Dems [whom I have voted for before]) which is far from ideal, in your situation I think I would just spoil the paper.

Yeah two here as well, there are two labour and two conservative candidates.

Guess it'll be labour only because I hate the conservatives more.

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Here's a crazy idea, not sure if anyone has thought about this.
Maybe it wasn't about race or gender?

Wow, a middle class, straight, white man says something is not about race or gender. I should listen to this

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Mr Chonks wrote:
Trooper wrote:
Here's a crazy idea, not sure if anyone has thought about this.
Maybe it wasn't about race or gender?

Wow, a middle class, straight, white man says something is not about race or gender. I should listen to this


Wow, a middle class, straight, white man says something is about race or gender, I should listen to this.


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Trooper wrote:
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Trooper wrote:
Here's a crazy idea, not sure if anyone has thought about this.
Maybe it wasn't about race or gender?

Wow, a middle class, straight, white man says something is not about race or gender. I should listen to this


Wow, a middle class, straight, white man says something is about race or gender, I should listen to this.

I am not all of those things, but that is beside the point: I am repeating the words of those who are not any of those things, so I will defer to them on this. You just sound like the gammons who've said that exact same thing hundreds of times before. The staunch brave defender of the status quo. :shrug:

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Black politicians get far more abuse than white ones and face harsher scrutiny for their actions
Female politicians get far more abuse than male ones and face harsher scrutiny for their actions
Left leaning politicians face harsher scrutiny for their actions than right leaning one (in the MSM)

I don't know if this black, female left leaning politician has been recalled because she is those things, but I think it's more likely to happen to her than a white male, right leaning politician.

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Mr Chonks wrote:
Trooper wrote:
Mr Chonks wrote:
Trooper wrote:
Here's a crazy idea, not sure if anyone has thought about this.
Maybe it wasn't about race or gender?

Wow, a middle class, straight, white man says something is not about race or gender. I should listen to this


Wow, a middle class, straight, white man says something is about race or gender, I should listen to this.

I am not all of those things, but that is beside the point:


It's entirely the point.
You're as much all of those things as I am, or did you make an assumption about me, based on how I look and my gender.
Interesting. ;)


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Trooper wrote:
Mr Chonks wrote:
Trooper wrote:
Mr Chonks wrote:
Trooper wrote:
Here's a crazy idea, not sure if anyone has thought about this.
Maybe it wasn't about race or gender?

Wow, a middle class, straight, white man says something is not about race or gender. I should listen to this


Wow, a middle class, straight, white man says something is about race or gender, I should listen to this.

I am not all of those things, but that is beside the point:


It's entirely the point.
You're as much all of those things as I am, or did you make an assumption about me, based on how I look and my gender.
Interesting. ;)

Wow, I’ve literally never heard this facile argument before. Please continue to blow my mind

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