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How many defections will it take for the Tories to lose their majority?

Mr Ellis, be quiet now and for the rest of the session. You used to practise as a barrister. You did not make those sorts of harrumphing noises in the courts; or if you did, no wonder you no longer practise there.

My understanding of it (probably wrong) is that the relatives can only block a donation where it's unclear what the deceased's wishes were - so in the context of a card-carrying donor, that's pretty clear.

GazChap wrote:

I think you are probably wrong, yes. My understanding is that families can overrule even if they are card-carrying donors.

If your family, or those closest to you, object to donation even when you have given your explicit permission (either by telling relatives, friends or clinical staff, by joining the NHS Organ Donor Register or by carrying a donor card) healthcare professionals will discuss the matter sensitively with them.

They will be encouraged to accept your decision and it will be made clear that they do not have the legal right to veto or overrule your decision.

Mr Trump directed me to find a straw bidder to purchase a portrait of him that was being auctioned at an Art Hamptons Event. The objective was to ensure that his portrait, which was going to be auctioned last, would go for the highest price of any portrait that afternoon.

The portrait was purchased by the fake bidder for $60,000. Mr Trump directed the Trump Foundation, which is supposed to be a charitable organisation, to repay the fake bidder, despite keeping the art for himself.

I have got to say I think our party's response has been partly responsible for that because in my opinion… we have backed off far too much, we have given too much ground, we have been too apologetic.... We've done more to address the scourge of anti-Semitism than any political party.

This is the most important issue facing the country right now, right?

Equality starts at the top, obviously. This is the same kind of nonsense as trying to encourage more women CEOs. There are a lot more problems further down, but these play better to Tory voters.

Lonewolves wrote:

Equality starts at the top, obviously. This is the same kind of nonsense as trying to encourage more women CEOs. There are a lot more problems further down, but these play better to Tory voters.

Interestingly, there is a current issue for female equality in tech, and it's not precisely one that you may expect.

There is a lot of focus and effort going into make STEM more inclusive for women from the ground up, which is obviously a good thing. But one of the side effects is the women who have battled through and made it to mid-tier level are actually getting less support than they used to have, as most of the focus is on the grass roots. Great for the future, but sucks for them right now. Low numbers of women CEOs is a direct symptom of that, so I don't think it's fair to say it's nonsense. The glass ceiling is still very much in effect, and it doesn't seem to be getting any better.

Oh no! Grayling's turned his attention to potholes!

Let's hope he never looks at bin collections.

Aren't potholes within local government remit? It's certainly all my local councillors bang on about

Yeah, this is all stuff I actually want my MP to be doing, so I'm not sure why we feel the need to criticise him for it.

This is about as little as you can do to appease a pothole obsessed press without actually doing something. I can’t see this having much impact on the state of the roads or lead to a greater number of repairs.

Grim... wrote:

Yeah, this is all stuff I actually want my MP to be doing, so I'm not sure why we feel the need to criticise him for it.

My reaction, at least, was "I can't wait to see how Grayling somehow fucks up this perfectly reasonable sounding idea."

Satsuma wrote:

Never underestimate The Grayling.

Author:	Malc [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:51 ]
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DavPaz wrote: How many defections will it take for the Tories to lose their majority? Wikipedia says: Conservative Party (314) Democratic Unionist Party (10) Total:324 Labour Party (247) Scottish National Party (35) Liberal Democrats (11) The Independent Group (11) Plaid Cymru (4) Green Party (1) Independent (8) Total: 317 So assuming all Independent mps vote against the government (I think there are some Tory leaning people in there) then if 4 more switch over they don't have a majority.

Author:	Kern [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:58 ]
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Boris Johnson et al should be proud. Their beloved Churchill crossed the floor twice.

Author:	Zardoz [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 13:24 ]
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Didn't know he was on Strictly.

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 13:59 ]
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Things are too much in flux for this to be super meaningful, but it might stiffen the spines of other MPs considering crossing the aisle. https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1098192449766338560 ðŸ§¨ BREAKING: Times/YouGov voter intention poll Con 38 Lab 26 TIG 14 LD 7 SNP/Plaid 5 Other 11 (Weighted by likelihood to vote, excluding would not vote and donâ€™t knows) https://t.co/3TfImvFDv4 — Henry Zeffman (@hzeffman) February 20, 2019

Author:	MrChris [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 16:48 ]
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Who is “other” and how are they getting eleven percent?

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Author:	Curiosity [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 16:51 ]
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UKIP/Green/Monster Raving Loony

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 16:52 ]
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Sinn Fein & DUP too, I imagine.

Author:	Nik [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 17:01 ]
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Don’t forget these guys: https://sdp.org.uk And these: http://liberal.org.uk/

Author:	Nik [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 17:03 ]
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I mean, you know you’re a political force to be reckoned with when the first line on your website contains the phrase: “(not the LibDems)“.

Author:	Kern [ Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:06 ]
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Here's your Morning Bercow!: Quote: Mr Ellis, be quiet now and for the rest of the session. You used to practise as a barrister. You did not make those sorts of harrumphing noises in the courts; or if you did, no wonder you no longer practise there.

Author:	Kern [ Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:10 ]
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Who had Ian Austin (Dudley)? Come up and collect your prize.

Author:	Curiosity [ Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:27 ]
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He's not joined TIG though.

Author:	Squirt [ Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:28 ]
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He's independent of the Independent Group.

Author:	Kern [ Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:30 ]
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As a Brexitbee, he's going to find out what it's like to be outside a larger organisation. Think of all that sovereignty he's regained.

Author:	Hearthly [ Mon Feb 25, 2019 20:29 ]
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Bit of a random WTF Trump moment for you. I like the way his own guy basically defuses the situation by talking to him like petulant six year old. And it works. https://twitter.com/Freedland/status/10 ... 9417204736 Jaw dropping pic.twitter.com/kXKs083cpM — Jonathan Freedland (@Freedland) February 25, 2019

Author:	Kern [ Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:49 ]
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It's good that the opt-out organ donation bill has passed all its Parliamentary stages, but I really don't like any piece of legislation being known as '[Child's name]'s Law'. Any proposed legislation needs to be judged on its merits, and referring to it as anything other than 'Anodyne Bill Title (Number 2)' suggests that opposing some or all of it makes you a bad person. That said, I really grudgingly admit that some of the painful acronyms used in the US Congress are rather clever. BBC article.

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:18 ]
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::Curb Your Enthusiasm music plays:: https://twitter.com/Nicholas_Mairs/stat ... 1202666496 Among some confusion Sajid Javid confirms ministers will back the Costa amendment on guaranteeing EU citizens rights under no-deal pic.twitter.com/C2UnOnxf5J — Nicholas Mairs (@Nicholas_Mairs) February 27, 2019

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:22 ]
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Ugh. Twitter thread with a trawl through a number of pro-Corbyn Facebook groups. Certainly no anti-Semitism here, nope. Corbyn's die hard fans look indistinguishable from Trumpers to me. https://twitter.com/l_attfield/status/1 ... 5025242112 Tonight I went into the group â€˜Jeremy Corbyn- True Socialismâ€™ , this is the first post I saw. Antisemitism is rampant and it is being done in your name @jeremycorbyn pic.twitter.com/tgECAo7RMY — Luisa Attfield (@l_attfield) March 2, 2019

Author:	Grim... [ Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:06 ]
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"It will still be open to relatives to block a donation, so it will be important that families discuss their wishes." Ugh. The fact that relatives of the deceased can overrule a card-carrying donor still makes me angry. Unless that's not how it works and Casualty has lied to me.

Author:	GazChap [ Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:35 ]
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My understanding of it (probably wrong) is that the relatives can only block a donation where it's unclear what the deceased's wishes were - so in the context of a card-carrying donor, that's pretty clear.

Author:	myp [ Tue Feb 26, 2019 15:52 ]
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GazChap wrote: My understanding of it (probably wrong) is that the relatives can only block a donation where it's unclear what the deceased's wishes were - so in the context of a card-carrying donor, that's pretty clear. I think you are probably wrong, yes. My understanding is that families can overrule even if they are card-carrying donors.

Author:	Zardoz [ Tue Feb 26, 2019 16:04 ]
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Kern wrote: BBC article. Is it dusty everywhere?

Author:	GazChap [ Tue Feb 26, 2019 16:29 ]
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Lonewolves wrote: GazChap wrote: My understanding of it (probably wrong) is that the relatives can only block a donation where it's unclear what the deceased's wishes were - so in the context of a card-carrying donor, that's pretty clear. I think you are probably wrong, yes. My understanding is that families can overrule even if they are card-carrying donors. I'm unable to find anything conclusive. From the organ donation register's website: Quote: If your family, or those closest to you, object to donation even when you have given your explicit permission (either by telling relatives, friends or clinical staff, by joining the NHS Organ Donor Register or by carrying a donor card) healthcare professionals will discuss the matter sensitively with them. They will be encouraged to accept your decision and it will be made clear that they do not have the legal right to veto or overrule your decision. So sounds like they can still technically block it, but they have no legal right to if your wishes have been made clear by being on the register/carrying the card - but I expect the Organ Donor team won't want to ruffle any feathers :/

Author:	Kern [ Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:34 ]
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According to Cohen's testimony to the US Consgress, Donald Trump is a liar, a cheater, and racist. Giphy "mind-blown": https://media2.giphy.com/media/pqjXQeRwoyozWNjp8A/giphy-loop.mp4 Of all the exceprts in the Guardian, this one stood out for me as emblematic of how I see the current tenant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue: Quote: Mr Trump directed me to find a straw bidder to purchase a portrait of him that was being auctioned at an Art Hamptons Event. The objective was to ensure that his portrait, which was going to be auctioned last, would go for the highest price of any portrait that afternoon. The portrait was purchased by the fake bidder for $60,000. Mr Trump directed the Trump Foundation, which is supposed to be a charitable organisation, to repay the fake bidder, despite keeping the art for himself.

Author:	Zardoz [ Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:43 ]
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Classy...

Author:	MaliA [ Wed Feb 27, 2019 13:42 ]
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https://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/1746 ... -practice/ Fucking hell.

Author:	Grim... [ Wed Feb 27, 2019 13:46 ]
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Fucking hell.

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Feb 27, 2019 14:24 ]
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Labour are not taking the whip from or suspending Chris Williamson: https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/statu ... 9778706432 BREAKING: Chris Williamson has been issued with a â€œnotice of investigation for a pattern of behaviourâ€ by Labour, spokesman for Jeremy Corbyn says. He will not be suspended during the investigation. — Kevin Schofield (@PolhomeEditor) February 27, 2019 This is the guy who said, to a round of applause in a Momentum meeting, in a week where multiple Labour MPs quit over anti-Semitism: Quote: I have got to say I think our party's response has been partly responsible for that because in my opinion… we have backed off far too much, we have given too much ground, we have been too apologetic.... We've done more to address the scourge of anti-Semitism than any political party.

Author:	MaliA [ Tue Mar 05, 2019 15:33 ]
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I, wait, who? Check out @HouseofCommons’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/HouseofCommons/stat ... 6986711042 Currently, only the eldest son in a family can succeed a hereditary title. @PhilipDaviesUK is introducing a Bill to enable the eldest daughter to do the same. Here's a one minute summary, and footage from the Chamber: https://t.co/QUpGAuBNiD pic.twitter.com/QNI9CCHLBz — UK House of Commons (@HouseofCommons) March 5, 2019

Author:	DavPaz [ Tue Mar 05, 2019 15:40 ]
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This is the most important issue facing the country right now, right?

Author:	myp [ Tue Mar 05, 2019 15:45 ]
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Equality starts at the top, obviously. This is the same kind of nonsense as trying to encourage more women CEOs. There are a lot more problems further down, but these play better to Tory voters.

Author:	Grim... [ Tue Mar 05, 2019 15:56 ]
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DavPaz wrote: This is the most important issue facing the country right now, right? "Other stuff" can't just stop because something else is going on.

Author:	Kern [ Tue Mar 05, 2019 16:06 ]
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It's simultaneously both an advance and a retreat for equality!

Author:	Trooper [ Tue Mar 05, 2019 16:44 ]
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Lonewolves wrote: Equality starts at the top, obviously. This is the same kind of nonsense as trying to encourage more women CEOs. There are a lot more problems further down, but these play better to Tory voters. Interestingly, there is a current issue for female equality in tech, and it's not precisely one that you may expect. There is a lot of focus and effort going into make STEM more inclusive for women from the ground up, which is obviously a good thing. But one of the side effects is the women who have battled through and made it to mid-tier level are actually getting less support than they used to have, as most of the focus is on the grass roots. Great for the future, but sucks for them right now. Low numbers of women CEOs is a direct symptom of that, so I don't think it's fair to say it's nonsense. The glass ceiling is still very much in effect, and it doesn't seem to be getting any better.

Author:	JBR [ Tue Mar 05, 2019 19:16 ]
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Trooper wrote: Lonewolves wrote: Equality starts at the top, obviously. This is the same kind of nonsense as trying to encourage more women CEOs. There are a lot more problems further down, but these play better to Tory voters. Interestingly, there is a current issue for female equality in tech, and it's not precisely one that you may expect. There is a lot of focus and effort going into make STEM more inclusive for women from the ground up, which is obviously a good thing. But one of the side effects is the women who have battled through and made it to mid-tier level are actually getting less support than they used to have, as most of the focus is on the grass roots. Great for the future, but sucks for them right now. Low numbers of women CEOs is a direct symptom of that, so I don't think it's fair to say it's nonsense. The glass ceiling is still very much in effect, and it doesn't seem to be getting any better. Interesting, isn't it, that there's only so much energy for this - so helping the grassroots, denies the middle. I mean, what a shit structure!

Author:	Kern [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:36 ]
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Oh no! Grayling's turned his attention to potholes! Let's hope he never looks at bin collections.

Author:	Mr Dave [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:26 ]
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Kern wrote: Oh no! Grayling's turned his attention to potholes! Let's hope he never looks at bin collections. To be fair, we do have a bit of a problem with potholes around here. He probably gets many a complaint, and I know he's seen as receptive to his constituents.

Author:	Grim... [ Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:34 ]
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Yeah, this is all stuff I actually want my MP to be doing, so I'm not sure why we feel the need to criticise him for it.