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Thought you meant, she should stay but her baby come back.
Come back, Baby come back.

That wanker Donald Trump has declared a National Emergency to alllow himself to appropriate funds to build an ineffective wall that isn’t even needed, because of reasons he literally made up.

A dangerous precedent to set, especially if (as expected) the entirety of the Republican Party grumble for a moment and then go into full TRUMP IS GOD mode.

One was started by President Carter in 1979. It's still going.

Grim... wrote:

One was started by President Carter in 1979. It's still going.

Ooh, what is it for?

It’s a shit name, tbf.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/08/luciana-berger-labour-members-antisemitism

Quote:

But a decent approach would surely be for Berger’s party members – and indeed all of us – to show solidarity against Berger’s antisemitic harassment (which we should do whether Berger is in Labour ot not), and for Berger to commit to not join a new party and thereby attempt to destroy her own party. Is that not reasonable?

That last paragraph sits really uncomfortably with me.

Disgusted but unsurprised by the Home Secretary's actions in the Begum case. Any citizen has the right to return home and, if necessary, face trial in our courts. We're also probably missing out on a potential intelligence source too.

But hey, it probably plays well in the local Tory Associations who'll pick the next leader.

What I expect: She gets legal aid, she applies to court, the case wins, she gets let back in. The tax payer picks up the tab for the government showboating. Again.

How many defections will it take for the Tories to lose their majority?

Now three tories have left Tory + DUP is 325 out of 650.

Is my maths right there? If one more leaves then they've lost their 'majority'?

Author:	Zardoz [ Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:53 ]
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Tru dat

Author:	Findus Fop [ Fri Feb 15, 2019 13:10 ]
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Zardoz wrote: Thought you meant, she should stay but her baby come back. Come back, Baby come back. All that she wants is another baby, and no bombs tomorrow.

Author:	Curiosity [ Fri Feb 15, 2019 17:20 ]
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That wanker Donald Trump has declared a National Emergency to alllow himself to appropriate funds to build an ineffective wall that isn’t even needed, because of reasons he literally made up. A dangerous precedent to set, especially if (as expected) the entirety of the Republican Party grumble for a moment and then go into full TRUMP IS GOD mode.

Author:	MaliA [ Fri Feb 15, 2019 17:30 ]
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Curiosity wrote: That wanker Donald Trump has declared a National Emergency to alllow himself to appropriate funds to build an ineffective wall that isn’t even needed, because of reasons he literally made up. A dangerous precedent to set, especially if (as expected) the entirety of the Republican Party grumble for a moment and then go into full TRUMP IS GOD mode. Check out @JoyceWhiteVance’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/sta ... 5553644545 Trump, questioned by @PeterAlexander, concedes thereâ€™s no national emergency to justify building his wall. â€œI didnâ€™t need to do this.â€ â€œI just want to do it faster.â€ A gift to all the lawyers preparing to sue him. — Joyce Alene (@JoyceWhiteVance) February 15, 2019 ?

Author:	Trooper [ Fri Feb 15, 2019 18:13 ]
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There are currently 31 active national emergencies in the US, apparently.

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Author:	Grim... [ Fri Feb 15, 2019 18:36 ]
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One was started by President Carter in 1979. It's still going.

Author:	Cras [ Fri Feb 15, 2019 20:14 ]
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Grim... wrote: One was started by President Carter in 1979. It's still going. Ooh, what is it for?

Author:	Cras [ Fri Feb 15, 2019 20:22 ]
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I hope it's bears.

Author:	MaliA [ Fri Feb 15, 2019 21:34 ]
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Twins!

Author:	Grim... [ Fri Feb 15, 2019 22:22 ]
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Cras wrote: Grim... wrote: One was started by President Carter in 1979. It's still going. Ooh, what is it for? Selling arms to Saudis, or something.

Author:	Kern [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:12 ]
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I'm idly wondering if those angry people protesting by wearing hi-vis jackets fall under section 1 of the Public Order Act 1936 prohibiting political uniforms. Might be that the law only applies to formal organisations rather than informal gatherings with just a poor fashion sense.

Author:	Kern [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:20 ]
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Another '80s favourite rebooted for the 21st Century with a larger and more diverse cast. No longer a gang of four - it's the Gang of Seven!

Author:	MaliA [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:20 ]
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Check out @BBCPolitics’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/ ... 4217546752 .@lucianaberger announces seven Labour MPs have resigned from the Labour Party to form a new independent group, saying "this has been a very difficult, painful, but necessary decision" #LabourSplit https://t.co/iAQE1PnRMR pic.twitter.com/PN9OOdfaFw — BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) February 18, 2019 Well, this is interesting. UK MPs Chuka Umunna, Luciana Berger, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Mike Gapes, Gavin Shuker and Ann Coffey quit Labour https://t.co/HXhplLVwro

Author:	Kern [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:39 ]
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Don't know what to make of this right now, but can hardly blame them given the inadequacy of the current leadership and what seems to be an obsession with ideological purity rather than opposing an appalling government and building a wide-spread movement to seek power (not to mention not doing much to stop Brexit).

Author:	DavPaz [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:55 ]
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My colleague Brian, who is a literal card-carrying member of the Labour Party, lives in Berger's constituency and works with her often in his role as the Secretary of the University Unison Branch. I reckon he'll have mixed feeling about this development.

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 13:07 ]
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Did see someone suggesting that the TIGgers (as they shall now be known) spoke to the Tories about some of their moderates joining the party, but they’re now all, “LOL, nah we’re cool.”

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 15:08 ]
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In an impressive move, TIG, who say they formed a new party in part due to racism inside Labour, have one of their founders refer to PoC as being ‘funny tinged’. Our best and brightest.

Author:	Nik [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:10 ]
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https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1098135010656296963 David Anderson makes an absolutely killer point. If he went to fight for Isis, this could not happen. But because Shamima Begum has Bangladeshi parents, it has. This creates two classes of Brits. — Ian Dunt (@IanDunt) February 20, 2019

Author:	Kern [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:46 ]
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Of course, with a better voting system I'd have more confidence that this is the right approach to both stop Brexit and evict the current government.

Author:	Squirt [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:48 ]
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Do you think any others will join them? If a few more MPs start shifting over it will get interesting!

Author:	Kern [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:49 ]
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If some Tories were to join them, that'd be interesting and possibly more successful. (Chain of consciousness right now because I'm not quite sure where I stand on this and the Russian pornbots haven't picked a side)

Author:	DavPaz [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:51 ]
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Are these rebels aligned politically? Is this a centrist movement?

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:52 ]
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It’s a shit name, tbf.

Author:	Squirt [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:02 ]
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Curiosity wrote: It’s a shit name, tbf. "Now that we've decided to form an independent group of MPs, all we need is a catchy name!" * everyone sits in silence *

Author:	Zardoz [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:03 ]
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The People's Front Of Judea

Author:	DavPaz [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:05 ]
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Brian's feelings are not mixed. "She no longer represents Wavertree. We're starting the selection process today"

Author:	MaliA [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:07 ]
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I bloody love Berger. She's brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Clever, just, pragmatic and personable

Author:	LewieP [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:37 ]
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https://youtu.be/QGsA1QlWYTU

Author:	Findus Fop [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:44 ]
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Was actually enjoyable to hear that song again. The video is an absolute effects-addled monstrosity, however.

Author:	Malc [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 16:45 ]
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"Quitting the party for another left leaning organisation will split the vote allowing Conservative victory at the next election" "They should all call by-elections to make sure people still want them as MPs" Aren't these two positions slightly at odds with each other?

Author:	MaliA [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 21:05 ]
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MaliA wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/08/luciana-berger-labour-members-antisemitism Quote: But a decent approach would surely be for Berger’s party members – and indeed all of us – to show solidarity against Berger’s antisemitic harassment (which we should do whether Berger is in Labour ot not), and for Berger to commit to not join a new party and thereby attempt to destroy her own party. Is that not reasonable? That last paragraph sits really uncomfortably with me. Heh

Author:	Kern [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:21 ]
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Disgusted but unsurprised by the Home Secretary's actions in the Begum case. Any citizen has the right to return home and, if necessary, face trial in our courts. We're also probably missing out on a potential intelligence source too. But hey, it probably plays well in the local Tory Associations who'll pick the next leader.

Author:	MaliA [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:05 ]
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Kern wrote: Disgusted but unsurprised by the Home Secretary's actions in the Begum case. Any citizen has the right to return home and, if necessary, face trial in our courts. We're also probably missing out on a potential intelligence source too. But hey, it probably plays well in the local Tory Associations who'll pick the next leader. Yeah, totally agree.

Author:	Nik [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:14 ]
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Banning someone born in this country from re-entering, even if they'll be arrested straight off the plane, seems disturbingly Trump-like.

Author:	Satsuma [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:19 ]
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What I expect: She gets legal aid, she applies to court, the case wins, she gets let back in. The tax payer picks up the tab for the government showboating. Again.

Author:	Kern [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:24 ]
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Satsuma wrote: What I expect: She gets legal aid, she applies to court, the case wins, she gets let back in. The tax payer picks up the tab for the government showboating. Again. Followed, of course, by a week of hearing how soft/cuddly/out of touch our judges are. Trebles all round!

Author:	Nik [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:25 ]
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At which point Javid makes noises along the lines of "I tried to stop this terrorist - this kind of thing will be illegal when I become PM." Meanwhile: https://twitter.com/gordonguthrie/statu ... 0495642624 Ask yourself this, if Shamina Begun can have her citizenship revoked because she COULD claim Bangladeshi citizenship, where does that leaves Europe's Jews? We've seen this film before, it ends badly. It's illegal because of Eichmann - no matter if she's an angel or a devil — Gordon Guthrie (@gordonguthrie) February 20, 2019

Author:	Satsuma [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:31 ]
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Mind you, why doesn’t the Syrian Government arrest her? I’d be happy with that.