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Author:  Nik [ Thu May 03, 2018 11:02 ]
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Disappointing lack of Labour leaflets here (or any details online - beyond names and addresses - of any of their candidates in this ward), in contrast to the few Lib Dem and barrage of Tory leaflets. Maybe that goes towards explaining why the Tories keep winning in the ward (mind you, it doesn't help that Harrow Labour Party basically split in two in 2013). As a Labour member, I guess this is partly my fault, but life has kind of got in the way of me volunteering (as I did for last year's general election), plus no one asked me to this time.

I'll be interested to see if the Lib Dems mop up a lot of remain votes...

Author:  Nik [ Thu May 03, 2018 11:03 ]
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This is a handy guide to voting: https://www.facebook.com/notes/391238094214/ - although it says 2010 at the top, it's updated every year, with any new rules.

Author:  DBSnappa [ Thu May 03, 2018 11:29 ]
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I’ve got council and Mayoral elections. Will be voting this evening and will be voting Lib Dem, even though the borough is largely Labour at present.

Author:  MaliA [ Thu May 03, 2018 11:53 ]
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http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... D_to_vote/

Not sure how that happened.

Author:  BikNorton [ Thu May 03, 2018 12:17 ]
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This isn't everywhere right? Because we've had no notification.

Author:  Malc [ Thu May 03, 2018 12:21 ]
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BikNorton wrote:
This isn't everywhere right? Because we've had no notification.

Only some parts of England (mainly Towns and Cities) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43973936 <==--- has a thing where you can put in your postcode and it will tell you if you are voting or not.

Author:  Trooper [ Thu May 03, 2018 12:23 ]
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Nothing going on for me, but then i'm in Northampton, so we don't even have a council at all at the moment, as far as I can tell :D They probably can't afford to run an election...

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri May 04, 2018 7:09 ]
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A solid “fuck Brexit” result in my local council elections, I think.

Author:  LewieP [ Fri May 04, 2018 7:29 ]
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My dad held onto his seat, increased his majority to 1000, and Labour now took control of Trafford council.

There was a lot of outrage at Tory backed plans to sell off a lot of the public green spaces in less wealthy areas to property developers. There's a need for affordable housing, but they were going to all be high end apartments. There was no plans to invest in public services, infrastructure or anything else to coincide with the developments.

My understanding is that the Labour councillors are on board with developing new housing, but want to do it with consulting local residents, scaling back and spreading out the development (so all Trafford residents still get public green spaces) and requiring developers to commit to building some affordable housing in conjunction with high end apartments.

Author:  Kern [ Fri May 04, 2018 8:36 ]
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Some seats in Chipping Norton and Witney went to Labour and Lib Dems. Not enough to change the balance of power in West Oxfordshire, deep in the heart of Cameron country, but perhaps indicative of people moving out of London and bringing their political beliefs with them. In 100 years' time the area might become competitive.

Also, a tie in a Witney parish council vote was settled in the traditional manner. One of the rare joys of our antiquated system.

Author:  Morte [ Fri May 04, 2018 9:18 ]
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Green and Lim Dem gains in Sheffield, no doubt in part due to the tree felling protests and the council not wanting to meet the protest group(s).

Author:  MaliA [ Fri May 04, 2018 9:26 ]
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Labour gain in Shipley but, by God, did they put a lot into it. There were people out knocking my door at 8pm!

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri May 04, 2018 10:09 ]
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Kern wrote:
Also, a tie in a Witney parish council vote was settled in the traditional manner.


Going in against a Sicilian when death is on the line?

Image

Author:  MrChris [ Fri May 04, 2018 10:16 ]
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Results so far seem to suggest the populace is fairly ok with the status quo.
Bloody British people.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri May 04, 2018 10:18 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Results so far seem to suggest the populace is fairly ok with the status quo.
Or everyone is equally shambolic. The Conservatives are a wreck, Labour are awful, the LibDems have collapsed.

Author:  Cras [ Fri May 04, 2018 10:27 ]
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And it's local council elections which don't particularly stir anyone's blood.

Author:  Kern [ Fri May 04, 2018 10:43 ]
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Cras wrote:
And it's local council elections which don't particularly stir anyone's blood.


Until beloved services are threatened or the potholes aren't collected weekly or the bins aren't filled. Then people get angry. But they carry on voting for national governments that cut support and prevent rises in council tax to fund this stuff (and get angry if it is).

Sadly, regardless of party, councillors have really bad decisions to make due to the lack of funding.

Author:  Findus Fop [ Fri May 04, 2018 10:44 ]
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Kern wrote:
Cras wrote:
And it's local council elections which don't particularly stir anyone's blood.


Until beloved services are threatened or the potholes aren't collected weekly or the bins aren't filled.


BIN THREAD ASSEMBLE!

Author:  Mr Dave [ Fri May 04, 2018 13:03 ]
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Hmm, BBC coverage, mole valley:conservatives hold.
Click on mole valley:conservatives lose to no overall control.

Which to believe?

Author:  Cras [ Fri May 04, 2018 13:04 ]
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Due to redistricting every party lost councillors in my ward, which confused the hell out of me for a bit.

Author:  Mr Dave [ Fri May 04, 2018 13:13 ]
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Mr Dave wrote:
Hmm, BBC coverage, mole valley:conservatives hold.
Click on mole valley:conservatives lose to no overall control.

Which to believe?

The part where the conservatives lost control, apparently.

Author:  Hearthly [ Fri May 04, 2018 13:18 ]
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It's a better result for the Tories than Labour, but hardly surprising as Labour have looked poor recently. I think if you were trying to express the electorate's voice in a single word it'd be 'Meh', or maybe, 'Duhhhh'.

Author:  Mr Dave [ Fri May 04, 2018 13:21 ]
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At least Ukip have been given a thorough kicking.

Author:  Curiosity [ Fri May 04, 2018 13:33 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Results so far seem to suggest the populace is fairly ok with the status quo.
Or everyone is equally shambolic. The Conservatives are a wreck, Labour are awful, the LibDems have collapsed.


Whilst the Lib Dems always do better in local elections, they had a decent showing that would translate to them gaining seats in a GE (though it likely won’t)

Author:  Cras [ Fri May 04, 2018 13:39 ]
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Mr Chris believes in benevolent autocracy now.

Author:  markg [ Fri May 04, 2018 13:40 ]
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Mr Dave wrote:
At least Ukip have been given a thorough kicking.

They've done what they set out to and morphed back into Tories.

Author:  MaliA [ Fri May 04, 2018 13:52 ]
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Cras wrote:
Mr Chris believes in benevolent autocracy now.


He's gone native

Author:  MrChris [ Fri May 04, 2018 13:54 ]
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The trains literally run on time.

Author:  MaliA [ Fri May 04, 2018 13:55 ]
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Ours are electric diesel

Author:  MrChris [ Fri May 04, 2018 14:15 ]
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Ours are electric electric.

Author:  Kern [ Fri May 04, 2018 14:19 ]
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I bet they enforce the Quiet Carriage too.

Author:  Warhead [ Sat May 05, 2018 1:22 ]
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The trams in Manchester and surrounding area have bricks and stuff thrown at them daily, and groups of ‘feral yobs’ often intimidate and/or attack people both on the trams and in some stations. My local tram stop is regarded as one of the most dangerous on the network.

Author:  Hearthly [ Sat May 05, 2018 8:00 ]
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Warhead wrote:
My local tram stop is regarded as one of the most dangerous on the network.


Which stop is that? I remember when the Metrolink was brand spanking new, it went live just as I was finishing college. (Early 1992.)

We were over visiting family last year and did quite a bit of travelling on the Metrolink, albeit during the daylight hours for minimum yobbage.

Author:  BikNorton [ Sat May 05, 2018 9:23 ]
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Apart from when that shitty festival up on the bury line somewhere is on and the trams are full of drunk youngsters that is nothing like my experiences on the trams in 7 years.

Author:  Warhead [ Sat May 05, 2018 13:45 ]
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St. Werburgh’s Rd

Author:  Hearthly [ Sat May 05, 2018 14:24 ]
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I'm not even sure that qualifies as real Metrolink.

The Metrolink runs from Bury to Manchester, and Manchester to Altrincham is also permissible.

Everything else is voodoo and doesn't really exist, if you moved to the IOM in 1996.

I mean, fucking Eccles.

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Author:  Warhead [ Sat May 05, 2018 14:31 ]
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I have nothing to add.

Author:  BikNorton [ Sat May 05, 2018 15:34 ]
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I've been through there to Didders a few times and not had any trouble. Never had to get off though, so I shall than my stars.

Author:  Kern [ Sat May 05, 2018 16:39 ]
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Never been a fan of overcomplicating games with expansion. I prefer the basic version of Mornington Crescent

Author:  MaliA [ Sat May 05, 2018 17:55 ]
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Kern wrote:
Never been a fan of overcomplicating games with expansion. I prefer the basic version of Mornington Crescent


The new Rail Cross expansion looks good though. Real shift in the meta

Author:  Kern [ Sat May 05, 2018 18:09 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Kern wrote:
Never been a fan of overcomplicating games with expansion. I prefer the basic version of Mornington Crescent


The new Rail Cross expansion looks good though. Real shift in the meta


I still can't grasp the Circle Line NOT BEING A CIRCLE ANYMORE.

Author:  Warhead [ Sun May 06, 2018 14:28 ]
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BikNorton wrote:
I've been through there to Didders a few times and not had any trouble. Never had to get off though, so I shall than my stars.


I don’t use the Met much, but St. Werburgh’s isn’t really visible from the road, so scallies probably think they can mix it up with impunity. I’ve only used it for commuting occasionally and haven’t noticed any problems apart from a couple of fare dodgers, but I’m guessing that a lot of the trouble is at night when the late workers or drinkers are heading for home.

I encountered more problems when I used to commute on the bus every day, when I was office based, which was before they extended the met.

I think instances of trouble are relatively low, but if a tram is out of commission due to vandalism while in service, it potentially fucks up huge chunks of the network and thousands of people’s commute, which is not so with busses.

Author:  BikNorton [ Sun May 06, 2018 19:26 ]
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It's not like you'd notice with the buses anyway - testament to how well the trams generally run I guess!

I left 18 months ago though, it might have gone to shit now. I

Author:  Kern [ Wed May 09, 2018 7:55 ]
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Yesterday, MPs debated veterinary homeopathy. Leading the charge against big pharma was David Tredennick (Bosworth, Con) who, in the great tradition of the practice, was being very effective by being the only one making a full speech.

Quote:
The placebo argument—that this is all in the imagination—is often used against homeopathy, but Buttercup and Daisy do not understand double blind placebo-controlled trials
.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed May 09, 2018 16:04 ]
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Kern wrote:
Quote:
The placebo argument—that this is all in the imagination—is often used against homeopathy, but Buttercup and Daisy do not understand double blind placebo-controlled trials

Well...

https://www.thecut.com/2016/10/the-plac ... s-too.html

Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Wed May 09, 2018 21:11 ]
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BBC reporting several Labour MPs from the north of England are demanding a second referendum.

Author:  MaliA [ Fri May 11, 2018 11:27 ]
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Heh

Author:  MaliA [ Fri May 18, 2018 9:07 ]
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Radio:"The speaker of the house John Berrow is facing further allegations of improper conduct that he called a senior colleague a "bloody stupid woman"
MaliA "Gotta be Leadsom"
Radio"Andrea Leadsom claimed not to have heard the comment.."
Malia:" Cashback!"

Now I am conflicted between my views on respect in the workplace and my views on Leadsom

Author:  DavPaz [ Fri May 18, 2018 9:37 ]
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If he'd called her a 'bloody stupid idiot' would that have been fine and dandy? Is it offensive specifically because he referred to her gender?

Author:  MaliA [ Fri May 18, 2018 16:21 ]
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Do you remember well over a year ago when Bristol Police taser ed their own race relations guy and we talked at length about it?

Good.

Right.

Not guilty.

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status ... 73857?s=19

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