Just checked last time’s results for my council. Strongly Labour, which is not a massive surprise.
My favourite thing is that they use the usual party colours, but they use black for the BNP
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:06 ] |
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Grim... wrote: "0.1% GDP growth in Q1 2018" That's not a fucking halt, is it? "almost grinds to a halt" And in the context of q-o-q GDP, that's fair. Look at the historical graph: it's objectively low. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:07 ] |
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Oh yeah. Carry on! |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:08 ] |
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Grim... wrote: Oh yeah. Carry on! "Not reading one whole tweet" is a new low for Beex Attention Deficit Disorder. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:17 ] |
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Tweets are long now. |
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| Author: | Squirt [ Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:59 ] |
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Is the 0.1% growth corrected for inflation? Also, our population must be growing at over 0.1% a quarter |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:20 ] |
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This is just... wow. The body language. https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status ... 3074964480
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Apr 27, 2018 15:02 ] |
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Rudd's "blame the civil servants, I didn't know" strategy isn't working out so well https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... SApp_Other Quote: Amber Rudd’s insistence that she knew nothing of Home Office targets for immigration removals risks unravelling following the leak of a secret internal document prepared for her and other senior ministers.
The six-page memo, passed to the Guardian, says the department has set “a target of achieving 12,800 enforced returns in 2017-18” and boasts that “we have exceeded our target of assisted returns”. It adds that progress has been made on a “path towards the 10% increased performance on enforced returns, which we promised the home secretary earlier this year”. The document was prepared by Hugh Ind, the director general of the Home Office’s Immigration Enforcement agency, in June last year and copied to Rudd and Brandon Lewis, the then immigration minister, as well as several senior civil servants and special advisers. |
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| Author: | Warhead [ Fri Apr 27, 2018 16:50 ] |
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: This is just... wow. The body language. https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status ... 3074964480
And the unstoppable bullshit. At leat he wasnt in the studio to brush dandruff off their colars. No matter where he finds himself, he HAS to score points against the people he’s with. |
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| Author: | Warhead [ Fri Apr 27, 2018 16:51 ] |
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Rudd's "blame the civil servants, I didn't know" strategy isn't working out so well https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... SApp_Other Quote: Amber Rudd’s insistence that she knew nothing of Home Office targets for immigration removals risks unravelling following the leak of a secret internal document prepared for her and other senior ministers. The six-page memo, passed to the Guardian, says the department has set “a target of achieving 12,800 enforced returns in 2017-18” and boasts that “we have exceeded our target of assisted returns”. It adds that progress has been made on a “path towards the 10% increased performance on enforced returns, which we promised the home secretary earlier this year”. The document was prepared by Hugh Ind, the director general of the Home Office’s Immigration Enforcement agency, in June last year and copied to Rudd and Brandon Lewis, the then immigration minister, as well as several senior civil servants and special advisers. Well, a new conservative car crash WAS overdue. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Apr 27, 2018 16:57 ] |
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Warhead wrote: At leat he wasnt in the studio to brush dandruff off their colars. No matter where he finds himself, he HAS to score points against the people he’s with. And that's part of what made him president, so I guess it worked out. For him. |
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| Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Fri Apr 27, 2018 21:33 ] |
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The odd thing is that it doesn’t seem unreasonable to have KPIs for removing illegal immigrants, any more than it would be wrong to track convicting criminals or treating sick people. It’s a straightforward way of measuring the core function of that department. The detail of how it’s measured and incentivised can be a bad thing, and giving incorrect information to parliament is a major cock up, but the basic principal seems fine. |
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| Author: | Malc [ Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:05 ] |
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KPIs are for lazy managers who don't actually know what their teams are doing and nearly always lead to people working to the KPI rather than what is actually the main point of their job. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:42 ] |
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Brilliant: https://twitter.com/ThePoke/status/990328549952253952
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:44 ] |
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Thread on the increasingly Byzantine mess Rudd is in: https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 2236995585
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| Author: | Warhead [ Sun Apr 29, 2018 23:04 ] |
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Aaaaaaaand she’s resigned. Good move, to avoid having to answer questions tomorrow about removal targets that she was informed about by officials some time ago, and more damning official documents revealed in the press, and ‘claims she misled parliament over targets.’ Thats what you get with the full support from the PM. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:03 ] |
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Deserves to go for misleading Parliament and not taking responsibility for her department. But all this started under the previous incumbent, who is probably far more to blame for this scandal. Still, another remainer on the backbenches with no real reason to show particular loyalty to the Prime Minister just as key votes start coming up. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:49 ] |
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I’m fairly sure they will blame it on the last Labour government. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:59 ] |
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Curiosity wrote: I’m fairly sure they will blame it on the last Labour government. Pretty sure Major Attlee's administration had something to do with it. |
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| Author: | markg [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:20 ] |
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I don't think they need to worry too much. It'll all blow over in a week or two and they can just carry on as though nothing had happened. The Great British Public voted to get rid of foreigners and will understand if some of the wrong ones get kicked out by accident. |
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| Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Mon Apr 30, 2018 13:05 ] |
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And now my MP is Home Secretary. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Thu May 03, 2018 9:35 ] |
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Did the votey-thing. Due to the way Brexit dominates everything, even bins, I could not in good conscience vote for the Labour candidate, even though I'd like to see regime change here in the Shire. The only other option was the Greens, so went for them rather than having to resort to drawing a dinosaur. |
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| Author: | Malc [ Thu May 03, 2018 9:45 ] |
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Kern wrote: Did the votey-thing. Due to the way Brexit dominates everything, even bins, I could not in good conscience vote for the Labour candidate, even though I'd like to see regime change here in the Shire. The only other option was the Greens, so went for them rather than having to resort to drawing a dinosaur. I think there is going to be quite a lot of that. Or I at least hope that. Can't vote today as I don't live in a city, also not sure if it's worth staying up for the coverage (council elections tend to get counted slower than general elections don't they?) |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu May 03, 2018 9:47 ] |
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Kern wrote: Due to the way Brexit dominates everything, even bins, I could not in good conscience vote for the Labour candidate, even though I'd like to see regime change here in the Shire. I haven't voted yet. I'm having similar issues. The LibDems and Greens haven't so much as put a leaflet through my door; how the fuck am I supposed to protest vote for them in good conscience? Meanwhile I was doorstepped last week by a Labour candidate. I said I was undecided, I would normally vote Labour as I was happy with them on a local level but the policies of the national party made that a very difficult stance to take. She looked pained and muttered stuff about this being a key ward for the council but she didn't really have any counterpoint and she knew it. I get the feeling she'd heard that a lot that day. All three of my current Labour councillors have stood down and not sought re-election; I follow one of them on Twitter and she's tweeted some stuff critical of Corbyn so I wonder if she's having similar issues too. In other news, this is MrsDoc's first ever time voting in the UK. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu May 03, 2018 9:48 ] |
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https://twitter.com/lizmehigan/status/9 ... 3621263360
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Thu May 03, 2018 9:48 ] |
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Just checked last time’s results for my council. Strongly Labour, which is not a massive surprise. My favourite thing is that they use the usual party colours, but they use black for the BNP
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| Author: | Kern [ Thu May 03, 2018 9:57 ] |
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: In other news, this is MrsDoc's first ever time voting in the UK. Yay for MrsDoc! |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu May 03, 2018 10:01 ] |
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Kern wrote: Doctor Glyndwr wrote: In other news, this is MrsDoc's first ever time voting in the UK. Yay for MrsDoc! In other other news, this is MrsDoc's first time experiencing advanced electoral calculus / first-past-the-post Hobson's choice in the UK. A bit less yay. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Thu May 03, 2018 10:02 ] |
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We've none of that fancy voting machine palaver here, either. Just a stubby freedom pencil. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu May 03, 2018 10:04 ] |
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Kern wrote: We've none of that fancy voting machine palaver here, either. Just a stubby freedom pencil. Her last US voting form offered 3-4 candidates in each of 50+ categories, so I think she might be crestfallen at the opportunity to only place a single cross. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Thu May 03, 2018 10:10 ] |
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Kern wrote: We've none of that fancy voting machine palaver here, either. Just a stubby freedom pencil. Her last US voting form offered 3-4 candidates in each of 50+ categories, so I think she might be crestfallen at the opportunity to only place a single cross. Getting voting envy now  This BBC report from 2015 should tell her all she needs to know about our system. |
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| Author: | Nik [ Thu May 03, 2018 11:02 ] |
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Disappointing lack of Labour leaflets here (or any details online - beyond names and addresses - of any of their candidates in this ward), in contrast to the few Lib Dem and barrage of Tory leaflets. Maybe that goes towards explaining why the Tories keep winning in the ward (mind you, it doesn't help that Harrow Labour Party basically split in two in 2013). As a Labour member, I guess this is partly my fault, but life has kind of got in the way of me volunteering (as I did for last year's general election), plus no one asked me to this time. I'll be interested to see if the Lib Dems mop up a lot of remain votes... |
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| Author: | Nik [ Thu May 03, 2018 11:03 ] |
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This is a handy guide to voting: https://www.facebook.com/notes/391238094214/ - although it says 2010 at the top, it's updated every year, with any new rules. |
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| Author: | DBSnappa [ Thu May 03, 2018 11:29 ] |
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I’ve got council and Mayoral elections. Will be voting this evening and will be voting Lib Dem, even though the borough is largely Labour at present. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Thu May 03, 2018 11:53 ] |
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http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... D_to_vote/ Not sure how that happened. |
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| Author: | BikNorton [ Thu May 03, 2018 12:17 ] |
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This isn't everywhere right? Because we've had no notification. |
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| Author: | Malc [ Thu May 03, 2018 12:21 ] |
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BikNorton wrote: This isn't everywhere right? Because we've had no notification. Only some parts of England (mainly Towns and Cities) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43973936 <==--- has a thing where you can put in your postcode and it will tell you if you are voting or not. |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Thu May 03, 2018 12:23 ] |
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Nothing going on for me, but then i'm in Northampton, so we don't even have a council at all at the moment, as far as I can tell They probably can't afford to run an election...
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri May 04, 2018 7:09 ] |
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A solid “fuck Brexit” result in my local council elections, I think. |
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| Author: | LewieP [ Fri May 04, 2018 7:29 ] |
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My dad held onto his seat, increased his majority to 1000, and Labour now took control of Trafford council. There was a lot of outrage at Tory backed plans to sell off a lot of the public green spaces in less wealthy areas to property developers. There's a need for affordable housing, but they were going to all be high end apartments. There was no plans to invest in public services, infrastructure or anything else to coincide with the developments. My understanding is that the Labour councillors are on board with developing new housing, but want to do it with consulting local residents, scaling back and spreading out the development (so all Trafford residents still get public green spaces) and requiring developers to commit to building some affordable housing in conjunction with high end apartments. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Fri May 04, 2018 8:36 ] |
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Some seats in Chipping Norton and Witney went to Labour and Lib Dems. Not enough to change the balance of power in West Oxfordshire, deep in the heart of Cameron country, but perhaps indicative of people moving out of London and bringing their political beliefs with them. In 100 years' time the area might become competitive. Also, a tie in a Witney parish council vote was settled in the traditional manner. One of the rare joys of our antiquated system. |
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| Author: | Morte [ Fri May 04, 2018 9:18 ] |
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Green and Lim Dem gains in Sheffield, no doubt in part due to the tree felling protests and the council not wanting to meet the protest group(s). |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Fri May 04, 2018 9:26 ] |
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Labour gain in Shipley but, by God, did they put a lot into it. There were people out knocking my door at 8pm! |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri May 04, 2018 10:09 ] |
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Kern wrote: Also, a tie in a Witney parish council vote was settled in the traditional manner. Going in against a Sicilian when death is on the line? 
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| Author: | MrChris [ Fri May 04, 2018 10:16 ] |
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Results so far seem to suggest the populace is fairly ok with the status quo. Bloody British people. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri May 04, 2018 10:18 ] |
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MrChris wrote: Results so far seem to suggest the populace is fairly ok with the status quo. Or everyone is equally shambolic. The Conservatives are a wreck, Labour are awful, the LibDems have collapsed.
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| Author: | Cras [ Fri May 04, 2018 10:27 ] |
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And it's local council elections which don't particularly stir anyone's blood. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Fri May 04, 2018 10:43 ] |
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Cras wrote: And it's local council elections which don't particularly stir anyone's blood. Until beloved services are threatened or the potholes aren't collected weekly or the bins aren't filled. Then people get angry. But they carry on voting for national governments that cut support and prevent rises in council tax to fund this stuff (and get angry if it is). Sadly, regardless of party, councillors have really bad decisions to make due to the lack of funding. |
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| Author: | Findus Fop [ Fri May 04, 2018 10:44 ] |
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Kern wrote: Cras wrote: And it's local council elections which don't particularly stir anyone's blood. Until beloved services are threatened or the potholes aren't collected weekly or the bins aren't filled. BIN THREAD ASSEMBLE! |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Fri May 04, 2018 13:03 ] |
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Hmm, BBC coverage, mole valley:conservatives hold. Click on mole valley:conservatives lose to no overall control. Which to believe? |
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| Author: | Cras [ Fri May 04, 2018 13:04 ] |
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Due to redistricting every party lost councillors in my ward, which confused the hell out of me for a bit. |
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