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Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:44 ]
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Over the weekend even the Sun and the Daily Mail ran articles attacking the government and supporting the Windrush immigrants. What a shitshow. I’m not saying May is an unfeeling racist but I am saying her policies are indistinguishable from someone who is.
Author:  Kern [ Tue Apr 17, 2018 17:19 ]
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The more I'm hearing about the Windrush affair the angrier I'm getting. Utterly disgusting; probably even a really serious case of maladministration.

Just read that the Home Office destroyed the landing cards. Let alone the evidence they offer, why destroy such a useful historical document for future generations?

Do the Home Office even think they can 'register' people from other EU countries living here? Would they even trust the Government with this?
Author:  LewieP [ Tue Apr 17, 2018 20:01 ]
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Theresa may did so many racist things as home secretary. This is what people who voted for her wanted.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:39 ]
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Jesus Christ Corbyn

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 3817372672
Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:42 ]
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Oh she was holding onto that bombshell with glee, wasn't she?
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:45 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Oh she was holding onto that bombshell with glee, wasn't she?

And it seems he walked right into it. Because of course he did.
Author:  Grim... [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:47 ]
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:facepalm:
Author:  MaliA [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:54 ]
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Amazing.
Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 13:04 ]
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I was listening. It’s fair to say he lost his way after that, made up a terrible question/accusation on the hoof that had just been answered in the previous question, rendering it redundant but effectively implying tories are racist. May responded by saying that she wouldn’t take that accusation from an anti Semitic party to take an even stronger advantage.

*some paraphrasing.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 13:08 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Amazing.

But not the good kind of amazing.
Author:  Cras [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 13:16 ]
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Destroying the landing cards is fine. By doing so though, you're deeming them no longer necessary. As a result the problem comes when you suddenly decide they are again necessary as part of an immigration process - that's the fuck up, not destroying the cards.
Author:  Kern [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 13:19 ]
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Cras wrote:
Destroying the landing cards is fine. By doing so though, you're deeming them no longer necessary. As a result the problem comes when you suddenly decide they are again necessary as part of an immigration process - that's the fuck up, not destroying the cards.


This. And who was responsible for the Home Office during the period these policies came in?
Author:  Squirt [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 13:36 ]
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Although...

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/986582591078793216
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 14:53 ]
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https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/986593656902742016
Author:  Kern [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 14:57 ]
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I'm not convinced that these people's lack of records was even thought about when Mrs May started her 'hostile environment' (an utterly disgusting phrase) policies.

None of this, by the way, leads me to supporting identity cards. In fact, it highlights the dangers of such schemes. The second the government screws up, you become an unperson.

I miss the open, welcoming Britain I thought I knew.
Author:  asfish [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 17:07 ]
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Both parties really show how piss poor they are.

From what I've read there are people who have lost jobs, been deported and denied cancer treatment on the NHS as a result of this evolving mess.

Would be nice if stops could be pulled out to make amends, then afterwards they can bitch about who destroyed the landing cards and is the bigger racist.
Author:  Pundabaya [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 17:15 ]
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If the landing cards were no longer required, they should have been destroyed as per Data Protection. If some silly person then made it so the now destroyed cards necessary, then that person should be sacked. Simple as.
Author:  Kern [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 17:22 ]
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Given the importance of Windrush to our historical memory, I'd have kept them and digitised them for release in the middle of the century.

There's no real practical need for the Ellis Island records but they help Americans understand who they are and where they come from.
Author:  Kern [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:31 ]
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I'm sure the other Commonwealth leaders will be thrilled that the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom hopes they'll stop talking about the Windrush maladministrative clusterfuck and discuss drinking straws instead.
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:39 ]
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Labour pushing for the young vote again but I'm not sure how it is possible to square away "[restoring] the principle that a decent home is a right owed to all, not a privilege for the few. And the only way to deliver on that right for everyone, regardless of income, is through social housing” with removing the right to buy. And they are pushing the "buying land at below market value from private individuals/companies" to build houses on (a bit of land is, say £200k as a field, but with residential planning permission it is £1MM, they will compulsory purchase it for the £200k regardless of status of planning.

Either they are going too far left, or I've been considerably further to the right than I have considered myself for many a year.
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:39 ]
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Kern wrote:
I'm sure the other Commonwealth leaders will be thrilled that the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom hopes they'll stop talking about the Windrush maladministrative clusterfuck and discuss drinking straws instead.


"but..but the straws.....Blue planet.....This is what they wanted..." will be the final words of her tenancy at Number 10.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:47 ]
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https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/9 ... 7611820033
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:57 ]
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This is some fucking weaksauce attempt to rehabilitate May's image from her former lieutenant.

https://twitter.com/NickJTimothy/status ... 8283618305
Author:  Kern [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:01 ]
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You're the Home Secretary. If you blocked it, it doesn't happen. Either she had absolutely no control over her junior ministers or officials, was deliberately vague in her phrasing, or she didn't, in fact, block it.

I'm still trying to find the right phrasing to express how genuinely angry I am about all of this.
Author:  Squirt [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:05 ]
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It's ok, she's not racist, just incompetent!
Author:  Trooper [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:06 ]
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Kern wrote:
You're the Home Secretary. If you blocked it, it doesn't happen. Either she had absolutely no control over her junior ministers or officials, was deliberately vague in her phrasing, or she didn't, in fact, block it.



All of the above I expect. The civil servants generally ignore their ministers for the most part, as they get in the way of doing the job and there will be a new one along in a minute anyway. Unless something specifically gets mentioned in the HoC as a concrete commitment, it gets ignored and they carry on as normal.
Author:  markg [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:11 ]
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She was the home secretary, if she cared then she could have sacked the people who so clearly exceeded their authority and had every van taken off the streets the same day she found out, not "later that year". Absolute fucking codswallop.
Author:  Kern [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:12 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Labour pushing for the young vote again but I'm not sure how it is possible to square away "[restoring] the principle that a decent home is a right owed to all, not a privilege for the few. And the only way to deliver on that right for everyone, regardless of income, is through social housing” with removing the right to buy.


Not against the right to buy in principle, but there should be a one out-two in policy to ensure sufficient housing stock.

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And they are pushing the "buying land at below market value from private individuals/companies" to build houses on (a bit of land is, say £200k as a field, but with residential planning permission it is £1MM, they will compulsory purchase it for the £200k regardless of status of planning.


If you've got permission to build on a plot, and have already seen the increase in value, perhaps you should have a set deadline to make real on the promise to build rather than just hold on to it?
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:27 ]
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Kern wrote:
If you've got permission to build on a plot, and have already seen the increase in value, perhaps you should have a set deadline to make real on the promise to build rather than just hold on to it?

What if you're holding onto it specifically because you don't want a block of flats dropped on it?
Author:  Kern [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:36 ]
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Don't sell the land? Seek a different designation in the local plan? Agree to something else useful with it? Bury industrial waste in it to muck up your family business 40 years later and annoy Adam Macy even more?
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:42 ]
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Kern wrote:
Don't sell the land?

You don't have a choice.
Author:  Kern [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:01 ]
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What I'm unsure about is why people with planning permission on a site don't have to act on it within a reasonable timescale, in exchange for getting the mark up on the land.
Author:  Squirt [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:06 ]
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Planning permission expires after a few years, doesn't it? Although I imagine getting it back is easier than getting it the first time.
Author:  Kern [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:12 ]
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Ah, right. Seems I know as much about land policy as Mr Corbyn...
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:26 ]
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Squirt wrote:
Planning permission expires after a few years, doesn't it? Although I imagine getting it back is easier than getting it the first time.

I think it's sometimes open to negotiation but you typically have to commence work within three years or the permission lapses. eg. I have open right now a PDF regarding a five-storey apartment block being built behind a house we're hopefully viewing on the weekend. It says, under Conditions, "The development hereby permitted shall be begun before the expiration of three years from the date of this permission.".
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:50 ]
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As far as I'm aware, all you have to do is dig a single foundation hole.
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:00 ]
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Grim... wrote:
As far as I'm aware, all you have to do is dig a single foundation hole.


If memory serves, yes. Maybe even as little as flagging out the ground.
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:02 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/986644787611820033


It is as if he is playing to a specific audience at specific times to keep an image going.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 21:27 ]
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https://twitter.com/RobDotHutton/status ... 5179303936




https://twitter.com/RobDotHutton/status ... 3130563584
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Apr 19, 2018 21:41 ]
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Presumably "Transit" was considered too strong.
Author:  JBR [ Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:02 ]
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What an absolute disgrace. She has sailed close to the 'lie' line before, but never quite so disingenuously as this. You'll be able to assign deliberate untruths to every member of the cabinet soon.
Author:  Kern [ Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:01 ]
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How embarrassing it must be for Charlie to have his mum beg her friends to give him a job.
Author:  Kern [ Fri Apr 20, 2018 13:32 ]
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Kern wrote:
How embarrassing it must be for Charlie to have his mum beg her friends to give him a job.


The boy got it. All about who you know, isn't it?
Author:  MaliA [ Fri Apr 20, 2018 23:13 ]
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MaliA wrote:
MaliA wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Sir Taxalot wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Does smack a bit of nimbyness though. It's got to be somewhere.


It's more fitting in a shittier village though, where house prices are already low.


Basically, yes

Lovely.


At what loint should one stop tolerating aggressive begging and discarded needles?


Walking down the road last night and boke came up to me last night and wanted money so I told him I didn't have any change and he told me to "Piss off" then followed me for a bit. Long story short, I've asked local police and counciller what the plan is to deal with such aggressive begging.


I had a chat with the policeman dude and he thinks he knows who it is and they're working towards criminal asbos and the like. It remains a discussion point as to what help the state and private citizens should provide.


http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... he_public/

Quote:
Last weekend Shipley Neighbourhood Policing Team had issued five dispersal orders to aggressive beggars in Saltaire and Shipley but by that night, two had breached the orders.

Shipley MP Philip Davies said the conviction was good news. “Aggressive begging is certainly an issue in Shipley which intimidates shoppers, particularly elderly people and deters people from coming into the town centre which then damages all shops and businesses. It is an issue I have raised in the House of Commons,” he said.

“I very much welcome this conviction and hope that Bradford Council and West Yorkshire Police do everything they can to tackle it.”
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:42 ]
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https://twitter.com/imajsaclaimant/stat ... 1964879872
Author:  Kern [ Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:34 ]
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I'm disappointed but not surprised that Mrs May didn't just reply to David Treddinck's question about using homeopathy on the NHS with a simple 'no, because it's all bollocks'. Sir Humphrey would be proud of the circumlocution she uses to reach the same conclusion:

The Prime Minister wrote:
  
My hon. Friend has been a long-standing advocate in this House for homeopathy. Obviously, some patients who are treated in the NHS and the private sector are users of complementary and alternative therapies, but it is the responsibility of the local NHS to make decisions on the commissioning and funding of healthcare treatments and to take account of issues with safety, clinical and cost-effectiveness and the availability of suitably qualified and regulated practitioners. As regards all the issues he has addressed, it is right that those who are professionally able to make these judgments are left to make them.


Hansard
Author:  Kern [ Thu Apr 26, 2018 13:30 ]
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Amber Rudd has today scrapped the deportation targets that didn't exist yesterday.
Author:  JBR [ Thu Apr 26, 2018 15:48 ]
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Can we start insisting on adding 'serial failure' to her yet? (Eyes passim.)
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:01 ]
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https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 5592062977
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:03 ]
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"0.1% GDP growth in Q1 2018"
That's not a fucking halt, is it?
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