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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:40 
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My 7 year old daughter just told me about a new game that they've learnt from the teachers at school called "Lockdown" where they hide under the desk until the teacher says "All clear".

I was speechless


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My 7 year old daughter just told me about a new game that they've learnt from the teachers at school called "Lockdown" where they hide under the desk until the teacher says "All clear".

I was speechless


WTF? I trust you've written an angry letter to the head.


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I thought I was going to cry when she told me


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That's absolutely crazy, unless the teacher was just using their initiative and they left the kids under there for like fifteen minutes while they went out for a smoke or something.


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they left the kids under there for like fifteen minutes while they went out for a smoke or something.


I only recently realised that this is the reason parents love the 'sleepy lions' game at kids' parties.


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That's absolutely crazy, unless the teacher was just using their initiative and they left the kids under there for like fifteen minutes while they went out for a smoke or something.

Apparently the teacher went under her own desk


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That's absolutely crazy, unless the teacher was just using their initiative and they left the kids under there for like fifteen minutes while they went out for a smoke or something.


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My 7 year old daughter just told me about a new game that they've learnt from the teachers at school called "Lockdown" where they hide under the desk until the teacher says "All clear".

I was speechless


WTF? I trust you've written an angry letter to the head.


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My 7 year old daughter just told me about a new game that they've learnt from the teachers at school called "Lockdown" where they hide under the desk until the teacher says "All clear".

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WTF? I trust you've written an angry letter to the head.

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More common than I thought. First entry on Google was a BBC report from 2017.

I appreciate the need for fire drills but this feels like a complete overreaction.


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I'd probably copy in your local councillor, MP, and the appropriate council cabinet member too, although if it's an academy the local authority won't have any control over it.


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Fucking hell, there was a policeman who apparently shat himself and milled around outside the school while that whole shooting in Florida happened. :'(

Not sure what to think really. He's being vilified and I can see why, he failed to do his job. But on the other hand if he'd ran in and saved the day or ended up getting killed himself then he would have been an extraordinarily brave hero etc.


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Fucking hell, there was a policeman who apparently shat himself and milled around outside the school while that whole shooting in Florida happened. :'(

Not sure what to think really. He's being vilified and I can see why, he failed to do his job. But on the other hand if he'd ran in and saved the day or ended up getting killed himself then he would have been an extraordinarily brave hero etc.


He could have probably saved more loves with an organised evacuation than going rabbit hunting. It goes against the "guns are good" narrative.

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It goes against the "guns are good" narrative.


It's a fantasy based on all those films and TV shows where the hero walks in and with one shot resolves the situation.

I heard the story on the news this morning but haven't looked into it. He might just have been following his training and, after assessing the situation, decided it was too risky.


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It goes against the "guns are good" narrative.


It's a fantasy based on all those films and TV shows where the hero walks in and with one shot resolves the situation.

I heard the story on the news this morning but haven't looked into it. He might just have been following his training and, after assessing the situation, decided it was too risky.


I have a feeling he probably was doing what he was trained to do, and waiting for backup. His boss has completely sold him down the river though and said he should have gone in and "killed the killer"

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No, I'm pretty sure that's not right. They don't have armed police stationed at schools just to call the police.


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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... c3f5b1a7f4

"The deputy’s decision to remain outside breaks with police tactics for responding to active-shooting incidents. Ever since the 1999 attack at Colorado’s Columbine High School, authorities have emphasized the importance of pursuing the attacker or attackers quickly in an effort to eliminate the threat and prevent additional deaths."


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I was wondering about the waiting for backup thing, if hand guns have a maximum 40% success rate, what chance would one cop have against someone with a semi automatic?

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I was wondering about the waiting for backup thing, if hand guns have a maximum 40% success rate, what chance would one cop have against someone with a semi automatic?


40%

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I was wondering about the waiting for backup thing, if hand guns have a maximum 40% success rate, what chance would one cop have against someone with a semi automatic?


40%


hah!

That's if he get's his shot off before being shot down in hail of bullets, and also, that one shot might not be enough to stop the shooter, and presumably they didn't know how many shooters there were at the time.

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Also, bullet-resistant armour is pretty effective against handgun rounds. Not so much assault rifle rounds. Most shooters at least wear a vest.


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Also, bullet-resistant armour is pretty effective against handgun rounds. Not so much assault rifle rounds. Most shooters at least wear a vest.


I'd defer to someone with better knowledge but I don't think that's the case. The AR-15 fires 5.56 NATO, a .22 cal round specifically designed for reduced penetration to avoid collateral damage to bystanders.

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Also, bullet-resistant armour is pretty effective against handgun rounds. Not so much assault rifle rounds. Most shooters at least wear a vest.


I'd defer to someone with better knowledge but I don't think that's the case. The AR-15 fires 5.56 NATO, a .22 cal round specifically designed for reduced penetration to avoid collateral damage to bystanders.


Just a clarification, low penetration just means that the bullet loses energy quicker after impact so it doesn’t keep travelling but it doesn’t mean that it won’t punch a big hole in something. A carbine will obviously exert more force than a pistol, so Pundy isn’t wrong. Body armour is rated depending on the type of round it would stop - the lowest rating stops handgun rounds and the next rating stops, erm, handgun rounds plus other stuff. I’m not exactly sure but you get the picture. The point being is that all body armour can stop most small arms fire whereas not all body armour could take a round from an AR.


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So ban good vests and handgun sales is what you're suggesting?


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A bullet fired from a handgun is larger, but it is also much slower. A 5.56mm round fired from an AR-15 is supersonic, and will penetrate all but the heaviest, rigid plate personal armour, and notably with a lot of those types of armour, the plate can only stop so many of the bullets before being too damaged to stop any more. On the other hand soft armour is usually rated up to .44 Magnum when it comes to hand gun rounds.


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Just over a month left to get your fill of naughty stuff before the porno checks come in.

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A few weeks before a major change to the way in which UK viewers access online pornography, neither the government nor the appointed regulator has been able to provide details to the BBC about how it will work.


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Mr Speaker lays it down at PMQs:

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We are not going to talk about beards; we are going to talk about policy. We do not want to talk about the hon. Gentleman’s beard either; we are going to talk about policy, which I know is what the Prime Minister will address.


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Nice to hear they're all still having a jolly good laugh about things.


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Nice to hear they're all still having a jolly good laugh about things.


At 22:55 on Brexit day the Parliamentary Band will strike up a rousing rendition of 'Nearer my god to thee'.


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It appears that the whole purpose of the House of Commons is to keep John Bercow entertained:

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She will know that I have an unbridled enthusiasm for debate, for votes and for sitting in the Chair for extended periods listening to the intellects of Einstein and the eloquences of Demosthenes, which are so regularly on display from my colleagues in all parts of the House. I cannot get enough of it. It may seem eccentric on my part, but I love to listen to my colleagues. The more debates and the more votes, the better. I am most grateful to the right hon. Lady, of whose point of order I had only a moment’s notice, but which I enjoyed.


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Bercow was on the Birkbeck Politics podcast the other week. It's for the students, so sound quality isn't great, but he was interesting. Man, he uses a lot of words to say simple things sometimes. Check out his introduction!

https://gb.ivoox.com/en/podcast-birkbec ... 039_1.html


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Ace! Will give that a listen.


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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... 131749.amp

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Moving debate in Westminster Hall misogyny and hate. Mhari Black in particular makes a very strong speech.

Guess which honourable member doesn't make a very good impression of himself early on?


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Moving debate in Westminster Hall misogyny and hate. Mhari Black in particular makes a very strong speech.

Guess which honourable member doesn't make a very good impression of himself early on?


I'll take Davies for £500; Alex

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Speaking of which, I was listening to PMQs yesterday and I actually laughed at Mrs May's joke:

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I thank the right hon. Gentleman for telling me that it is International Women’s Day tomorrow. I think that is what is called mansplaining.


See, she's not all bad.


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Sort of politics, :attitude: has done his annual fundraiser for Wings Over Scotland, as you can see, it's gone well.

https://wingsoverscotland.charitychecko ... -Countdown

He also addresses his arrest last year and what he sees as clear interference and intimidation by the British establishment.

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So in 2017, anticipating that another vote was just over the horizon, the British establishment came after Wings Over Scotland with a vengeance.

The site's editor was arrested by the Metropolitan Police on the grounds of farcically ridiculous allegations from a lunatic who we're still under their "advice" not to identify.

While no charges were brought and the case was eventually dropped, the accusation alone enabled the Met to confiscate every piece of computer equipment used to produce Wings - including two PCs, a laptop, four tablets, two phones and even the iPod Touch that we use for listening to Radio Scotland - and impound it for no reason for three months, leaving us to try to hold the site together for a quarter of the year with emergency replacement kit.

Kezia Dugdale, the then-leader of Scottish Labour, launched an extraordinary personal attack, using the pages of a tabloid newspaper and the entirety of First Minister's Questions to issue baseless smears aimed at discrediting the site and forcing us to take expensive court action not only to defend our own reputation, but that of all Yes activists from the sort of malicious slurs that the Unionist parties and media deployed throughout the first indyref.

And when we exclusively revealed in December that self-styled "grassroots" Unionist organisation Scotland In Union was in fact funded almost entirely by an elite cabal of Lords, Dukes, Earls and common-or-garden multi-millionaires, they sent in some very pricey lawyers, and the police again, to try to silence us.

(All on top of the usual daily death threats and abuse from Unionists, and their useful idiots on the Yes side too.)

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Good luck to him. Everyone needs a hobby.

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It's just as well that untangling countries from long-standing Unions with countless economic, social, and cultural ties isn't wrought with difficulty.


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Bloody hell, NI

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“You have a culture of lawlessness and fear in some of these communities where the victims know who is shooting them; the parent knows who is shooting their child. Sometimes parents are negotiating with these thugs to take the kid to certain places by arrangement.

“It is not unknown to my officers that in certain circumstances parents have dosed their kids up with powerful painkillers and alcohol to remove the impact of the ‘punishment’ shooting or beating. By colluding in this they [the parents] are hoping to negotiate less severe beatings or shootings. There is something madly wrong with society whenever parents even countenance doing that with their own children.”

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UK political commentators: “Brexit is surely the biggest issue facing this Parliament”

Russia: “hold my nerve gas while we commit an act of war maybe”

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Just as well the head of our closest ally is such a staunch critic of the Putin regime and we've not weakened ourselves due to any rash decisions to disentangle ourselves from our nearest neighbours.

Oh.


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Rex Tillerson, which was somehow, the most sympathetic and seemingly sane figure in the Trump administration was fired.


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He mentioned something about Russia being behind the Salisbury attack yesterday. Just a coincidence.


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Rex Tillerson, which was somehow, the most sympathetic and seemingly sane figure in the Trump administration was fired.


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What I can't get my head around is there's lots of ways to kill people so if Russia wanted to do this and then deny it why use a nerve agent that supposedly can be traced right back to them?


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A deliberate attempt to see what they can get away with?

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