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Author:  Squirt [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 16:01 ]
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Kern wrote:
MaliA wrote:
markg wrote:
In fairness to her most people who fly massive England flags actually are, more often than not, complete fucking bellends.


And I don't know where Rochester is.


The attic.

:D :D :D

Author:  Cras [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 16:37 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Kern wrote:
MaliA wrote:
markg wrote:
In fairness to her most people who fly massive England flags actually are, more often than not, complete fucking bellends.


And I don't know where Rochester is.


Medway. Or upper state New York. But most likely the former in this case.

Has a great castle. I did a parade there once and got hilariously drunk.


I thought Runcorn was in London.


By the Old Bailey

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 16:44 ]
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Let's check in with the state of sanity in the US population.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ers-215800

Quote:
All this, perhaps, is not so surprising, considering polling continues to show that—in spite of unprecedented unpopularity—nearly all people who voted for Trump would do it again. But as I compared this year’s answers to last year’s responses it seemed clear that the basis of people’s support had morphed. Johnstown voters do not intend to hold the president accountable for the nonnegotiable pledges he made to them. It’s not that the people who made Trump president have generously moved the goalposts for him. It’s that they have eliminated the goalposts altogether.

This reality ought to get the attention of anyone who thinks they will win in 2018 or 2020 by running against Trump’s record. His supporters here, it turns out, are energized by his bombast and his animus more than any actual accomplishments. For them, it’s evidently not what he’s doing so much as it is the people he’s fighting. Trump is simply and unceasingly angry on their behalf, battling the people who vex them the worst—“obstructionist” Democrats, uncooperative establishment Republicans, the media, Black Lives Matter protesters and NFL players (boy oh boy do they hate kneeling NFL players) whom they see as ungrateful, disrespectful millionaires.

...

“Everybody I talk to,” he said, “realizes it’s not Trump who’s dragging his feet. Trump’s probably the most diligent, hardest-working president we’ve ever had in our lifetimes. It’s not like he sleeps in till noon and goes golfing every weekend, like the last president did.”

I stopped him, informing him that, yes, Barack Obama liked to golf, but Trump in fact does golf a lot, too—more, in fact.

Del Signore was surprised to hear this.

“Does he?” he said.

“Yes,” I said.

He did not linger on this topic, smiling and changing the subject with a quip. “If I was married to his wife,” Del Signore said, “I don’t think I’d go anywhere.”

Del Signore said he’s been following politics far more than before because of Trump. Trump, he said, is just “more interesting.” So now he likes watching the news. “Ninety-nine percent of the time I watch Fox,” he said. “Sometimes I’ll be sitting there listening to all this Fox stuff, and I’ll say, ‘Maybe they aren’t right, maybe I’ll flip to CNN’—but every time I’ve found that Fox has been correct, and CNN is definitely fake news.”


Oh.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 17:04 ]
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markg wrote:
In fairness to her most people who fly massive England flags actually are, more often than not, complete fucking bellends.


There are worse bellends than those earnestly and demonstrably, yet benignly patriotic, old school types. Much worse...
At least they're not pretending to be anything else; there's a certain authenticity and honesty about it. (I'll be waving my Union Jack this coming Sunday, though doubtless that's The Wrong Thing To Do around here ;) )

Author:  Squirt [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 17:23 ]
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You've clearly run into a different group of massive England flag flyers than I have! In my experience, a huge England flag permanently flying on your house is a pretty good signifier for someone who says "I just say it how I see it" but is in actual fact rude and obnoxious.

Author:  Cras [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 17:28 ]
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There's a very big difference between flying a flag for remembrance and flying one out of your window all year round because you wish it was 1966 again when you could beat your kids and there weren't so many brown people.

It's a stereotype, for sure, but it's a stereotype of a very real chunk of the population. Particularly in the Medway area.

Author:  Zardoz [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 17:29 ]
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If they fly them when there's no sporting event on at the time then they're a cunt.

If they fly them when there's a sporting event on at the time then they're a twat.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 17:38 ]
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Squirt wrote:
You've clearly run into a different group of massive England flag flyers than I have! In my experience, a huge England flag permanently flying on your house is a pretty good signifier for someone who says "I just say it how I see it" but is in actual fact rude and obnoxious.

And racist.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 17:42 ]
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Cras wrote:
There's a very big difference between flying a flag for remembrance and flying one out of your window all year round because you wish it was 1966 again when you could beat your kids and there weren't so many brown people.

It's a stereotype, for sure, but it's a stereotype of a very real chunk of the population. Particularly in the Medway area.


Clearly I'm not defending what you describe but you can't stereotype/tar all with the same brush. One of my best mates - with whom I spent a very enjoyable evening at a curry house in Northwich this very weekend past - has said flag pole in his front garden AND drives a Transit, albeit it's silver :D He's a great guy and a very good mate who I know for a fact I could rely on in any tight spot about 10,000 times more than anyone here and he's never bitched about me or called me behind my back either. I doubt he even knows what Twitter is.

Regardless, my own pet hate are Champagne Socialists like Thornberry with her nose raised up in the air, her multi-million pound property portfolio in Islington, her QC husband and all the rest..... 'Labour' huh? If you were to home in on all the manifold things that are wrong with the Labour Party and have been for decades, one of them most surely be this utter lack of authenticity. What do people like her know about struggling to pay the bills and keeping a roof over you & yours heads, working hard for a pittance in unfair conditions, with nothing but a third-rate education? I hate Labour as an organisation but the essential aims and reasons for its being are entirely laudable; it's just a shame they can't get the staff and their credibility left the building by the early 70s.

Author:  myp [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 17:42 ]
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Tarring working class people with the racist brush is not very comradely imo. Yes there is a subsection of poor people who are racist and ignorant, but there are plenty of middle class and upper class racist pricks too. From the left, right and centre.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 17:43 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Tarring working class people with the racist brush is not very comradely imo. Yes there is a subsection of poor people who are racist and ignorant, but there are plenty of middle class and upper class racist pricks too. From the left, right and centre.


:this:

It's crass stereotyping. Not everyone has had the benefit of people like Thornberry's resources, very expensive legal training or the expertise of her peers, when honing their social graces.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 17:47 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Clearly I'm not defending what you describe but you can't stereotype/tar [people who fly the Union Flag all year around] with the same brush.

I think maybe you can nowadays. It's so well-known that the Union Flag is used as a symbol for utter cuntery that people flying one (sporting events / proms* aside) are making a conscious decision to fly one anyway.

And maybe - in their head - it's for "good" reasons; after all, why should we have to give up our flag because of cunts? We live in the damned country, we should be proud of it. And they're totally right.

However, right now, having a flag flying may actively cause people to feel uncomfortable, and almost certainly puts you in the "hard brexit, making Britain British again" camp and for that reason - in my opinion - says a lot about the person doing it.

It shouldn't, but it does.


* Although the amount of European flags this year was most pleasing.

Author:  Cras [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 17:53 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Tarring working class people with the racist brush is not very comradely imo. Yes there is a subsection of poor people who are racist and ignorant, but there are plenty of middle class and upper class racist pricks too. From the left, right and centre.


Oh god, absolutely. But your Oxford educated millionaire racist is less likely to advertise that fact with a bloody great england flag hanging out of a window.

As I said, it's a stereotype, and apologies to those like Cavey's mate who are unfairly tarred.

With respect to the folks in parliament who don't know what it's like to be working class, that's a factor of the system. Partly that it's a case of who you know rather than what you know, and partly the fact that it's expensive to enter politics.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 17:54 ]
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Well, it doesn't make me feel uncomfortable, but then I've never cared much about what the Chatterati as it were think of me. :shrug:

Author:  Squirt [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 17:57 ]
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Fair enough, but sadly it is a stereotype that exists, and in my experience on that has some basis in truth. Unfortunately if you hang a big England flag from your window, some people will form a certain opinion of you - and not just Islington millionaires either.

Author:  BikNorton [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 18:06 ]
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Northwich has a curry house now?

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 18:10 ]
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BikNorton wrote:
Northwich has a curry house now?


It does! An *awesome* one mate :)

http://bombayquaynorthwich.co.uk/


Man that is good cuzza and extremely reasonable. There's even a bar right next door as well, all very friendly and lovely. We had a great time, let me know if you ever fancy meeting up if you're close. :)

Author:  myp [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 18:10 ]
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Stereotypes are stereotypes are stereotypes. Do you believe every one you hear or read about?

Author:  GazChap [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 18:11 ]
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Cavey wrote:
One of my best mates - with whom I spent a very enjoyable evening at a curry house in Northwich this very weekend past

That sounds dangerously close to "I'm not racist, I'm always going out for a curry!" :D

(not having a dig there btw, just making a joke)

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 18:12 ]
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GazChap wrote:
Cavey wrote:
One of my best mates - with whom I spent a very enjoyable evening at a curry house in Northwich this very weekend past

That sounds dangerously close to "I'm not racist, I'm always going out for a curry!" :D

(not having a dig there btw, just making a joke)


:D

Made me laugh at any rate! :)

Author:  Squirt [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 18:19 ]
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One thing about moving to the depths of wildest Summerzet is that I miss the range of restaurants. Decent curry can be hard to find out here. Can't move for tasty cider though!

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 18:21 ]
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Squirt wrote:
One thing about moving to the depths of wildest Summerzet is that I miss the range of restaurants. Decent curry can be hard to find out here. Can't move for tasty cider though!


Heh, I lived in Weston for 6 years and was converted to the delights of cider, especially in summer. :)

Author:  markg [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 18:30 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Tarring working class people with the racist brush is not very comradely imo. Yes there is a subsection of poor people who are racist and ignorant, but there are plenty of middle class and upper class racist pricks too. From the left, right and centre.


:this:

It's crass stereotyping. Not everyone has had the benefit of people like Thornberry's resources, very expensive legal training or the expertise of her peers, when honing their social graces.

I don't know much about Emily Thornberry apart from what I just googled but I'm absolutely not stereotyping working class people. I live in a pretty working class kind of place, it's not like there's England flags all over the place.

And you know it's also just possible that in her 20 years as a human rights barrister that she came across all sorts of people and got a fair measure of them. Certainly I'd be more inclined to listen to a single fucking word she has to say than Boris fucking Johnson etc. even if that tweet was misjudged.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 18:37 ]
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I've with Myp on this; saying that in her 20 years as a Barrister she's got a 'fair measure of people' and can stereotype accordingly, with impunity, is just all wrong, and frankly rather offensive (to me at any rate).

Can't see anyone defending Boris Johnson here either, what's he got to do with it? Saying someone or something isn't as bad as him doesn't strike me as a very effective defence (classic whataboutery), but then I do lack Ms Thornberry's credentials.... :D

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 18:44 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Saying someone or something isn't as bad as him doesn't strike me as a very effective defence

:blown:

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 18:50 ]
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Pass me my silk, minion.


:DD

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 20:36 ]
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Patel is gone.

Author:  Cras [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 20:39 ]
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Allowed to resign rather than fired. Heaven forbid May attempt to show any attempt at strength

Author:  BikNorton [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 20:40 ]
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Cavey wrote:
I lived in Weston for 6 years and

I call bullshit. Based on our forensic pathologist mate's stats no-one is in Weston for more than half a day without getting stabbed or shot to death.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 20:43 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Stereotypes are stereotypes are stereotypes. Do you believe every one you hear or read about?


Ethnic jokes are a little uncouth, but you laugh as they're based on truth.

Author:  BikNorton [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 20:46 ]
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Cavey wrote:
BikNorton wrote:
Northwich has a curry house now?
It does! An *awesome* one mate :)

http://bombayquaynorthwich.co.uk/

Man that is good cuzza and extremely reasonable. There's even a bar right next door as well, all very friendly and lovely. We had a great time, let me know if you ever fancy meeting up if you're close. :)
holy shit, a Waitrose as well now.

I lived there until 2005 or something. Best it had then was the Seafarer (wayfarer?) chippy. I mean there was that place on the corner near all the estate agents but it never seemed to be open.

Now I live down Brum way, but thanks for the offer.

Author:  myp [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 20:59 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Stereotypes are stereotypes are stereotypes. Do you believe every one you hear or read about?


Ethnic jokes are a little uncouth, but you laugh as they're based on truth.

Like black people liking watermelon? Or Jews being greedy?

I thought better of you, mate.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 21:12 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Stereotypes are stereotypes are stereotypes. Do you believe every one you hear or read about?


Ethnic jokes are a little uncouth, but you laugh as they're based on truth.

Like black people liking watermelon? Or Jews being greedy?

I thought better of you, mate.


I thought we were heading towards singing this.

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:29 ]
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MaliA wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Remember this sign from a while back? No?
Well, to refresh:

Parking behind the CoOp was 20 mins free. Then signs and ANPR appeared, and you had to type car reg in to get 20 free minutes. Many didn't, and were fined as per T&Cs.

Anyhoo, I dropped a note to local counciller and local MP over the signs not being terribly clear. Counciller responded and he had passed it over to MP. So, MP raises the issue in Parliament, and sends me half a dozen letters with copies of his correspondance with the council solicitors, parking ombudsman and other people.

Today, in the local paper reports:
Quote:
THE operator of a controversial car park has been ordered to shut it down and refund thousands of pounds in fines slapped on unsuspecting motorists.

Bradford Council took the dramatic step after receiving a host of complaints about the way private car park company Smart Parking was running the site at Oastler Road, Saltaire.

The authority was able to step in after discovering that the patch of land had never legally been turned into a car park and was still part of the public highway.

But in doing so, the Council has also had to hold its hands up to running the car park illegally itself for more than a decade, and now faces a major refund programme of its own.


http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... ial_fines/

Which is amazing. And has amused me.

So, I think P Davies will do OK in an election, again, as he's shown himself to be looking after community interests, especially as the council is a Labour run one and fingers can be pointed.

EXCITING CAR PARK UPDATE


http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... _launched/



Quote:
Cllr Alex Ross-Shaw, the Council’s executive member for regeneration, planning and transport, said: “We have started negotiations with the company, Saltaire Investments, and we are helping them to clarify the highway status of the land.

“As the car park is still operating illegally, we have also served a notice on the company to remove the car parking equipment from the site.


Not sure if I'm meant to type car reg in anymore or not, but it looks like a proper car park still.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... _car_park/

Further plot twist!

Quote:
THE operators of a controversial car park which was ordered to shut down appear to be fighting back.

Private car park company Smart Parking has drawn anger from motorists over the way it has been handing out fines at Oastler Road car park in Saltaire.

The furore prompted Bradford Council to declare the site unlawful and serve a notice ordering the car park to close by November 24.

But in an apparent act of defiance against this notice, the company has now lodged a retrospective planning application for its parking signs, in a move one councillor branded “hilarious”.


Amazing.

Author:  RuySan [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:00 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Stereotypes are stereotypes are stereotypes. Do you believe every one you hear or read about?


Ethnic jokes are a little uncouth, but you laugh as they're based on truth.

Like black people liking watermelon? Or Jews being greedy?

I thought better of you, mate.


I don't know why black people would be offended with that. Watermelon is great.

In "Master of None", Aziz makes a big deal about being offended and deconstructing stereotypes, one being that Indian people are usually scientists and shop owners. This is a great stereotype! I wish people from my country had the stereotype of being scientists, instead of being joyless humourless creatures that only care about work (brazilian stereotype).

There are different kinds of stereotypes. Not all of them are necessarily offensive.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:02 ]
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Besides, wife-swapping is the future.

Author:  Cavey [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:23 ]
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RuySan wrote:
There are different kinds of stereotypes. Not all of them are necessarily offensive.


I'm not exactly crying myself to sleep over this every night, but I still maintain that the concept of pigeon-holing an entire race, or social/gender group into Box A or Category B (they're all bright/lazy/tight-fisted whatever), regardless of whether supposedly 'positive' or 'not offensive', is ultimately incredibly wrong-headed, close-minded, lazy and demeaning. Further, I'd argue that precisely this very same sentiment lies at the root of far worse things, such as xenophobia, bigotry and outright racism.

The incongruity of it all, in these more enlightened times, is prominent indeed. It's not 1977 anymore, and we need to stop labeling people.

Author:  Cavey [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:37 ]
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BikNorton wrote:
I lived there until 2005 or something. Best it had then was the Seafarer (wayfarer?) chippy. I mean there was that place on the corner near all the estate agents but it never seemed to be open.

Now I live down Brum way, but thanks for the offer.


Heh! The Seafarer chippy is still there mate, but they seem to use minging oil or something which always turns my stomach :(
My *first date* with Mrs C was in Northwich, 1995.... at the Emperors Court Chinese restaurant, we had 'the Emperor's Banquet' top set meal and it was amazeballs, we ended up taking most of it home there was that much of it, the girls finished it off! Sadly it's recently been knocked down and a bloody McDonalds has taken its place. :(

I've promised her a 20 McNugget Sharebox on our 25th anniversary :D

Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:42 ]
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I like Northwich. It's changed a hell of a lot over the last few years. The kids love the new swimming pool though.

Author:  markg [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:02 ]
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I see on Twitter that our lovely PM went to a banquet last night to celebrate Paul Dacre's 25 years as editor of the Daily Mail. What an absolute shower of fucking lowlife shit.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:04 ]
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I liked your original post. It made me think of this as a vivid description of Mrs May's current situation:

Image

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:06 ]
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Cavey wrote:
I've promised her a 20 McNugget Sharebox on our 25th anniversary :D


Because when you're done with the legs and the breast, there's a box to stick the bon-(it's a different time now, MaliA - Ed)

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:07 ]
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Cavey wrote:
RuySan wrote:
There are different kinds of stereotypes. Not all of them are necessarily offensive.


I'm not exactly crying myself to sleep over this every night, but I still maintain that the concept of pigeon-holing an entire race, or social/gender group into Box A or Category B (they're all bright/lazy/tight-fisted whatever), regardless of whether supposedly 'positive' or 'not offensive', is ultimately incredibly wrong-headed, close-minded, lazy and demeaning. Further, I'd argue that precisely this very same sentiment lies at the root of far worse things, such as xenophobia, bigotry and outright racism.

The incongruity of it all, in these more enlightened times, is prominent indeed. It's not 1977 anymore, and we need to stop labeling people.


I quite agree.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:07 ]
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BBC: "Alex Salmond: Trump 'broke Scots investment promises'"

I think your mistake was trusting Donald Trump, Alex.

Author:  Cavey [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:08 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Cavey wrote:
I've promised her a 20 McNugget Sharebox on our 25th anniversary :D


Because when you're done with the legs and the breast, there's a box to stick the bon-(it's a different time now, MaliA - Ed)


Yeah, going to Maccies afterwards is a good call. :D

Author:  Cavey [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:09 ]
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Kern wrote:
BBC: "Alex Salmond: Trump 'broke Scots investment promises'"

I think your mistake was trusting Donald Trump, Alex.


"Alex Salmond: Trump has a huge credibility problem"

Oh man, the ironing. :DD

Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:14 ]
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Cavey wrote:
we need to stop labeling people.

That would cause chaos in hospitals.

Author:  RuySan [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:16 ]
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Cavey wrote:
RuySan wrote:
There are different kinds of stereotypes. Not all of them are necessarily offensive.


I'm not exactly crying myself to sleep over this every night, but I still maintain that the concept of pigeon-holing an entire race, or social/gender group into Box A or Category B (they're all bright/lazy/tight-fisted whatever), regardless of whether supposedly 'positive' or 'not offensive', is ultimately incredibly wrong-headed, close-minded, lazy and demeaning. Further, I'd argue that precisely this very same sentiment lies at the root of far worse things, such as xenophobia, bigotry and outright racism.

The incongruity of it all, in these more enlightened times, is prominent indeed. It's not 1977 anymore, and we need to stop labeling people.


I find this fundamentalist view as completely counter-productive. There's a massive difference between labelling a gypsy as a thief and a briton as a tea-drinker. You know how the americans joke that canadians are overly polite? How can that even be offensive or wrong? How can you argue to someone to stop joking about something that ultimately harms absolutely no one?

Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:20 ]
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You wouldn't understand because you only care about work.

Author:  Cavey [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:30 ]
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It's the principle of by-default attributing labels and assumptions to entire groups of people on the basis of where they are from, the colour of their skin, their social class, their race, their gender, their sexuality, whether they like Union Jacks, their age, their accent. For a start, it's demonstrably bollocks, because there will be huge diversity of attributes among large groups and populations of people, but its not the lack of veracity that I have a problem with, it's the offence that will be caused. You say oh well, no-one would take offence at A or B, but I'm afraid that's a very subjective matter. It's not a case of being "counter productive", and to say it harms no-one is naive in the extreme I'm afraid.

Like I've also said, I don't like the underpinning "othering" sentiment either, because basically that's precisely what lies at the root of far, far worse things as well, such as nationalism for instance.

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