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Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:39 ]
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In the meantime, Tory pinup and pantomime toff Jacob Rees-Mogg has come out that he is against abortion in any and all forms, believes that the second of conception is when a fully formed human being exists (I look forward to his call for full police investigations into all miscarriages), and is completely against gay marriage, Muslim marriage, civil marriage ceremonies, Hindu marriage, divorce, remarriage, and any form of marriage that is not explicitly Catholic.

He's a fucking twat.

Author:  TheVision [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:45 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
In the meantime, Tory pinup and pantomime toff Jacob Rees-Mogg has come out that he is against abortion in any and all forms, believes that the second of conception is when a fully formed human being exists (I look forward to his call for full police investigations into all miscarriages), and is completely against gay marriage, Muslim marriage, civil marriage ceremonies, Hindu marriage, divorce, remarriage, and any form of marriage that is not explicitly Catholic.

He's a fucking twat.


:this: and I'm surprised anyone could think otherwise.

Author:  markg [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:50 ]
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I think it's brilliant. It's like they're trying to decide which would be the best pair of concrete boots to wear as they jump off the fucking pier.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:51 ]
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Nicky Morgan

Author:  Cras [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:20 ]
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Much like trump, it's a case of those expressing shock at Rees-Mogg's opinions apparently never having read anything he's ever said or written.

Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:30 ]
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Cras wrote:
Much like trump, it's a case of those expressing shock at Rees-Mogg's opinions apparently never having read anything he's ever said or written.


I'm not in shock at his opinions, which have always been shit, but at the sudden rush to lionise him as some kind of populist hero and leader.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:38 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
In the meantime, Tory pinup and pantomime toff Jacob Rees-Mogg has come out that he is ... completely against gay marriage, Muslim marriage, civil marriage ceremonies, Hindu marriage, divorce, remarriage, and any form of marriage that is not explicitly Catholic.


Just as well he's doing not that strange form of serial bigamy then.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:39 ]
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Am I missing something here?
I don't get where all this sudden "JRM is the anointed saviour of the Toreee Party" and supposed "pinup" stuff is coming from; I must've missed the memo, eh. ;)

Author:  markg [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:39 ]
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I think they're just so far out of touch that they honestly think that most people will find that sort of shtick endearing somehow. Same as with fucking Boris. They think that because he was on HIGNFY that time and there's that funny picture of him on a zip wire that the plebs will love him. But then again I didn't think the fucking plebs would be stupid enough to vote for Brexit so what the fuck do I know?

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:40 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Nicky Morgan


In an ironic twist of fate, she really does have swivel-eyes. :DD

Author:  markg [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:40 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Am I missing something here?
I don't get where all this sudden "JRM is the anointed saviour of the Toreee Party" and supposed "pinup" stuff is coming from; I must've missed the memo, eh. ;)

http://news.sky.com/story/jacob-rees-mo ... r-11021547

Author:  Kern [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:42 ]
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Most of these 'who should be the next leader' polls are basically testing who the general public have heard of, rather than who's rising through the Tory ranks.

Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:43 ]
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Someone just put Ken Clarke in charge for a bit so I can at least calm down slightly.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:44 ]
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markg wrote:
I think they're just so far out of touch that they honestly think that most people will find that sort of shtick endearing somehow. Same as with fucking Boris. They think that because he was on HIGFY that time and there's that funny picture of him on a zip wire that the plebs will love him. But then again I didn't think the fucking plebs would be stupid enough to vote for Brexit so what the fuck do I know?


I didn't think "the plebs" would be stupid enough to vote for a demonstrably utterly failed 1960s Socialist dogma-driven relic from that less-than-glorious political era which saw the decline of the UK, either, and in such numbers so as to secure a hamstrung, useless hung parliament at the very moment in our history when that is precisely the last thing that we need. But, (a) people are generally thick; (b) have very short memories; and above all (c) somehow believe that just because the Tories are crap - and they are - there's somehow a finite limit in "crapness" whereby any alternative [Trump, Corbyn etc.] must somehow be an improvement by default, as according to some natural laws of nature or something. You know, the whole "I just fancied a change"/"anything's got to be better than this" brigade. [Protip: there isn't such a law of nature, even at all, and they're most certainly not an improvement. See also Brexit for that matter; the EU is crap and corrupt, but the alternative that we've now voted for is far worse again. When will people ever learn? Probably never :( ]

Can we all just meet halfway and put Vince Cable in charge of the Country? :)

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:47 ]
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markg wrote:
Cavey wrote:
Am I missing something here?
I don't get where all this sudden "JRM is the anointed saviour of the Toreee Party" and supposed "pinup" stuff is coming from; I must've missed the memo, eh. ;)

http://news.sky.com/story/jacob-rees-mo ... r-11021547


A poll of 1300 "grassroots" members and a derisory 23% share of said (Sky News) poll does not a summer make, I'd say.
You mischievous lefty types, huh. :D

Author:  Kern [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:51 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
Someone just put Ken Clarke in charge for a bit so I can at least calm down slightly.


Here, have a cigar.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:59 ]
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The Guardian is reporting that the government will drop their pledge to shrink the Commons to 600. This is good, because the plans did not include a proportionate reduction in the payroll vote meaning that scrutiny would have been reduced as the balance of backbenchers vis-à-vis government would shift even more to the latter's favour.

Author:  Cras [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 13:25 ]
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Proposal: Those espousing even the slightest positive opinion of Jacob Rees-Mogg be referred to as Mogglodytes.

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 13:28 ]
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Cras wrote:
Proposal: Those espousing even the slightest positive opinion of Jacob Rees-Mogg be referred to as Mogglodytes.


Seconded.

Author:  Bamba [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 16:30 ]
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markg wrote:
They think that because he was on HIGNFY that time and there's that funny picture of him on a zip wire that the plebs will love him.


How do you think he ended up as mayor of London?

Author:  Hearthly [ Thu Sep 07, 2017 13:21 ]
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Author:  Jem [ Fri Sep 08, 2017 14:25 ]
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https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/ ... low/12/10/

Author:  markg [ Fri Sep 08, 2017 14:31 ]
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This is good news, it means that exports will definitely now rocket to a 168 year high.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Sep 08, 2017 14:33 ]
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Jem wrote:
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/pound-slumps-168-year-low/12/10/

And this is against a dollar that is, itself, hugely depressed by Trump's presidency: http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/03/investi ... index.html

Image

Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Fri Sep 08, 2017 15:02 ]
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I don't want to come over (all) Cavey, but sterling is trading at $1.32, which is near a 52 week high. In that regard the article couldn't be more wrong.

Edit: Indeed, the article is 11 months old and predates the trump dump.

Author:  Squirt [ Fri Sep 08, 2017 15:08 ]
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To be fair, that article is 11 months old.

Author:  Grim... [ Fri Sep 08, 2017 15:21 ]
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That article is 11 months old, though.

Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Sep 08, 2017 15:25 ]
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Almost a year really.

Author:  Cavey [ Fri Sep 08, 2017 15:58 ]
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ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:
I don't want to come over (all) Cavey.


:D

Author:  Cavey [ Fri Sep 08, 2017 16:08 ]
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Btw, how do you like the new sig, guys? :)

Author:  Jem [ Fri Sep 08, 2017 16:46 ]
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Ahh apologies, someone thrust it at me as new this morning and I didn't check it before sharing it for the more intelligent folk to dissect. :DD

Author:  Curiosity [ Sat Sep 09, 2017 21:43 ]
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Jem wrote:
Ahh apologies, someone thrust it at me as new this morning and I didn't check it before sharing it for the more intelligent folk to dissect. :DD


Title

Author:  Jem [ Sat Sep 09, 2017 22:41 ]
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Longest title ever

Author:  MrChris [ Sun Sep 10, 2017 22:11 ]
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Jem wrote:
Longest title ever

... title?

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:39 ]
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http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/longfo ... e-revenge/

Quote:
Osborne seems to reserve his choicest weapons for Theresa May, the beleaguered prime minister. On his first day as editor, the front page of the Standard announced "Brussels twists knife on Brexit [as] EU chief mocks PM May with her own 'Strong and Stable' leadership slogan". The attacks on May have become only more intense since then. (One clinical sentence in a Standard editorial from 21 June simply read: "Enough of this nonsense.") Osborne's animus against May is complicated in origin — personal, political, ideological, tactical — but purely felt. When I met him at the Standard this past spring, he was polite enough about the prime minister. But according to one staffer at the newspaper, Osborne has told more than one person that he will not rest until she "is chopped up in bags in my freezer".

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:42 ]
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Yes, he's really quite the simmering ball of resentment and jealousy, huh.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:45 ]
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Theresa May should take up the editorship of the 'Metro' in response. It'd be quite fun see their quarrels and name-calling spread out on the seats of the Underground every day.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:47 ]
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:DD

Author:  Kern [ Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:15 ]
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A moment of levity in the House of Lords:

Quote:
The Lord Bishop of Chester:
Do the Government have any concerns about the breeding of those Members of your Lordships’ House who wear dog collars?

Lord Gardiner of Kimble:

I hope that the right reverend Prelate knows very well that I am very fond of dogs. I have very good relations with many right reverend Prelates and work very closely with the rural Bishops on many issues concerning the countryside.

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:41 ]
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https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/9 ... 2958895104




Ken Clarke was superb on R4 this morning. It's a complete contrast to when Labour throw up someone from their front bench. The one last week was terrible, when questioned about Unions threatening illegal strikes.

Author:  markg [ Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:44 ]
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Ken Clarke isn't on the front bench is he?

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:45 ]
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No it was poorly worded

Author:  MaliA [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:48 ]
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... mim-bigzad

This is very important.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:52 ]
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MaliA wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/19/home-secretary-courts-amber-rudd-deport-samim-bigzad

This is very important.


Yes. And sickening.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:11 ]
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Kern wrote:
Yes. And sickening.

Fucking disgraceful, although hardly surprising given that May had a lot of form for this sort of thing as home secretary and now she's in the big chair. Pretty logical Rudd would continue along the same road.

Author:  Zardoz [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:21 ]
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Deplorable. Glad he's back, the guy must have been absolutely fucking terrified.

Is there no comeback for Rudd for going against the rulings several times?

Author:  JBR [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:33 ]
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Shocking! She is a serial failure, mind you, (Private Eyes passim, as they say) so not a huge surprise. Not that predictability makes it less shocking.

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:52 ]
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Must admit I have to agree with everyone else here, that's deplorable and an insult to this Country's fine tradition in respect of providing a safe haven for refugees fleeing for their lives (my own father one of them in 1957).

Bloody disgraceful; the Conservatives have always been the party of law and order; not sure where this farce leaves them to be honest. At this rate I'm going to hate them as much as everyone else.

Author:  GazChap [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:35 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Bloody disgraceful; the Conservatives have always been the party of law and order

According to that article, they've got previous form - Kenneth Clarke did something similar in 1991 apparently.

I don't disagree with you, although I'd probably reword it to "have always been the party of law and order, when it suits them" ;)

Author:  Cavey [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:39 ]
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I suppose if you go back 30 years you can dig any amount of shit about any party, ever.
I'm talking specifically about the post-Brexit Conservative Party; the here and now.

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