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Author:  MrChris [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 15:05 ]
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MaliA wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
Of course, if souls don't exist and there's no afterlife, what are we but crudely animated sacks of meat?


I have the grace of a gazelle.

Monorail!

Author:  Zardoz [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 15:09 ]
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markg wrote:
...our consciousness is little more than a rollercoaster ride and free will is an illusion.

Yeah, that whale was totally CG.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 15:41 ]
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markg wrote:
I don't like teleporters. I subscribe to the theory that teleporters kill you, from the moment you use one you will experience nothing ever again, but nobody else will be able to tell.

It's one of the ways they might work, for sure - scan you down to your atoms, break you down into mulch, and build a new you somewhere else.

The important thing to consider here is that what's stopping it not destroying the original, or building fifty copies? Serious restrictions and rules, I guess, but hackers will get in there eventually.

Also there's the religious angle to consider - if you're dying, what does that mean for, well, practically every religion that exists? Can you teleport a soul?

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 15:42 ]
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I appear to have missed, well, lots of posts. I'm not entirely sure how.

Author:  devilman [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 15:53 ]
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Grim... wrote:
I appear to have missed, well, lots of posts. I'm not entirely sure how.


Your teleporter seems to do time travel too.

Author:  markg [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 15:59 ]
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Grim... wrote:
markg wrote:
I don't like teleporters. I subscribe to the theory that teleporters kill you, from the moment you use one you will experience nothing ever again, but nobody else will be able to tell.

It's one of the ways they might work, for sure - scan you down to your atoms, break you down into mulch, and build a new you somewhere else.

The important thing to consider here is that what's stopping it not destroying the original, or building fifty copies? Serious restrictions and rules, I guess, but hackers will get in there eventually.

Imagine if you had a machine in your house and you kept getting spammed with Ed Sheerans.

Author:  Squirt [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 17:30 ]
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Imagine a horrific real life version of "The Fly" where you and Ed Sheeran accidentally get into a transporter together and your DNA is fused.

Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 18:37 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
markg wrote:
I don't like teleporters. I subscribe to the theory that teleporters kill you, from the moment you use one you will experience nothing ever again, but nobody else will be able to tell.

It's a good philosophical question.


In the China Mieville book, 'Kraken', there's a character who has the ability to teleport a la Star Trek, and he is permanently haunted by the ghosts of his dead past selves, as every time he transports it does indeed kill him and build a new 'him'.

Author:  markg [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 19:06 ]
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What if that happens every time you fall asleep. If every time your stream of consciousness is broken it ends and then another one takes over just with the same memories. When you go to sleep you actually die.

Author:  Lonewolves [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 19:12 ]
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markg wrote:
What if that happens every time you fall asleep. If every time your stream of consciousness is broken it ends and then another one takes over just with the same memories. When you go to sleep you actually die.

In the same body?

Author:  Lonewolves [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 19:12 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
markg wrote:
I don't like teleporters. I subscribe to the theory that teleporters kill you, from the moment you use one you will experience nothing ever again, but nobody else will be able to tell.

It's a good philosophical question.


In the China Mieville book, 'Kraken', there's a character who has the ability to teleport a la Star Trek, and he is permanently haunted by the ghosts of his dead past selves, as every time he transports it does indeed kill him and build a new 'him'.

Sounds interesting. I may have to read it.

Author:  markg [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 19:27 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
markg wrote:
What if that happens every time you fall asleep. If every time your stream of consciousness is broken it ends and then another one takes over just with the same memories. When you go to sleep you actually die.

In the same body?

Yeah, what is individual consciousness except the experience of having had an unbroken stream of experiences, of always having been you. What if every time the activity within the bits of the brain that cause consciousness stops and then starts up again it's like rebooting a computer the actual "you" stopped when you nodded off, then some other identical cunt wakes up the next day with all the same memories utterly convinced that all that stuff happened to them.

Author:  MrChris [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 19:39 ]
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I do like China Mieville, but haven't read any of his stuff for a while - will give that a go!

Author:  BikNorton [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 19:58 ]
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Grim... wrote:
I appear to have missed, well, lots of posts. I'm not entirely sure how.

The same way I lost a post yesterday? ”there are new posts, check them!" "Yes yes, post" "here is the thread without your post!"

Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 20:24 ]
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markg wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
markg wrote:
What if that happens every time you fall asleep. If every time your stream of consciousness is broken it ends and then another one takes over just with the same memories. When you go to sleep you actually die.

In the same body?

Yeah, what is individual consciousness except the experience of having had an unbroken stream of experiences, of always having been you. What if every time the activity within the bits of the brain that cause consciousness stops and then starts up again it's like rebooting a computer the actual "you" stopped when you nodded off, then some other identical cunt wakes up the next day with all the same memories utterly convinced that all that stuff happened to them.

Giphy "woah":
https://media4.giphy.com/media/3o6ZsWDJzc8NlMG8zm/giphy-loop.mp4

Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 20:52 ]
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Seriously though, thread split

Author:  Lonewolves [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 20:53 ]
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markg wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
markg wrote:
What if that happens every time you fall asleep. If every time your stream of consciousness is broken it ends and then another one takes over just with the same memories. When you go to sleep you actually die.

In the same body?

Yeah, what is individual consciousness except the experience of having had an unbroken stream of experiences, of always having been you. What if every time the activity within the bits of the brain that cause consciousness stops and then starts up again it's like rebooting a computer the actual "you" stopped when you nodded off, then some other identical cunt wakes up the next day with all the same memories utterly convinced that all that stuff happened to them.

I'm not sure it matters, effectively. However if my life stops because my atoms have been incinerated and someone else takes over at the other end, that's when I'd be annoyed.

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:08 ]
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http://www.melaniephillips.com/cruel-ignorant-campaign/

Melanie Phillips on the, frankly, fucking awful Gard case. Worth a read.

Author:  LewieP [ Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:11 ]
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Freedom of movement to end in March 2019.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40734504

Author:  MrChris [ Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:17 ]
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MaliA wrote:
http://www.melaniephillips.com/cruel-ignorant-campaign/

Melanie Phillips on the, frankly, fucking awful Gard case. Worth a read.

Melanie.Phillips.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:17 ]
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MaliA wrote:
http://www.melaniephillips.com/cruel-ignorant-campaign/

Melanie Phillips on the, frankly, fucking awful Gard case. Worth a read.


This. Rare to point people to one of her articles with her, but on this she's spot on.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:21 ]
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LewieP wrote:
Freedom of movement to end in March 2019.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40734504


I wouldn't be too surprised if the commission Angela Rudd's setting up to look into the matter ends up recommending more-or-less what we've got now, but with token 'controls'.

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:37 ]
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MrChris wrote:
MaliA wrote:
http://www.melaniephillips.com/cruel-ignorant-campaign/

Melanie Phillips on the, frankly, fucking awful Gard case. Worth a read.

Melanie.Phillips.


Yeah. I know. Christ i feel dirtyl

Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Jul 27, 2017 13:24 ]
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MrChris wrote:
I do like China Mieville, but haven't read any of his stuff for a while - will give that a go!


It's only a very minor character, from what I remember.

His best book remains Embassytown, with the Perdido Street Station - Scar - Iron Council 'trilogy' the best after that (IMHO of course).

Author:  MrChris [ Thu Jul 27, 2017 16:43 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
MrChris wrote:
I do like China Mieville, but haven't read any of his stuff for a while - will give that a go!


It's only a very minor character, from what I remember.

His best book remains Embassytown, with the Perdido Street Station - Scar - Iron Council 'trilogy' the best after that (IMHO of course).

Those are the ones I've read :)

And The City and The City, which is less good.

Author:  Warhead [ Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:25 ]
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Mooch has gone already and I'm not at all surprised. Trump must be an atrocious judge of character.

Author:  Kern [ Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:06 ]
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He's also said to have written his son's statement about the Russian stuff. Mr Trump is, after all, clearly the best lawyer in the land and the best client too.

Author:  Kern [ Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:09 ]
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Warhead wrote:
Trump must be an atrocious judge of character.


Making decisions based on how much people say they love you is seldom a wise strategy. Just ask King Lear.

Author:  Kern [ Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:49 ]
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With Mr Trump, sometimes you get the feeling he's been given a 'Big Bumper Book of Facts' for Christmas and is insistent on sharing his new-found knowledge with every adult he comes across.
Here's a couple of excerpts from a recent interview:

Quote:
So, you know, and these are like countries, you know, fairly large, like 300 million people. You know, a lot of people say — they say, well, but the United States is large. And then you call places like Malaysia, Indonesia, and you say, you know, how many people do you have? And it’s pretty amazing how many people they have.


Quote:
I can say that we’re going to be very involved with the U.K. I mean, you don’t hear the word Britain anymore. It’s very interesting. It’s like, nope.


Quote:
One little thing, what would they do with the British Open if they [Scotland] ever got out? They’d no longer have the British Open.

Author:  Trousers [ Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:50 ]
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Kern wrote:
With Mr Trump, sometimes you get the feeling he's been given a 'Big Bumper Book of Facts' for Christmas and is insistent on sharing his new-found knowledge with every adult he comes across.


My favourite of those remains;

Quote:
You been hearing the word unmasking, a word you’ve probably never heard before, so you never know what’s out there and I didn’t tape and I don’t have any tape and I didn’t tape


1) You've probably only been hearing the word unmasking if you've been glued to Fox
2) Nope, it's a word you've not heard before
3) That last half of the sentence has no relation to the beginning of it

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