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Author:  zaphod79 [ Fri May 05, 2017 9:53 ]
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Kern wrote:
This morning I saw a photo of Mr Trump and Republican congressmen celebrating taking healthcare away from people in the US and it quite put me off my breakfast. Domestic politics in another country shouldn't bother me so much, but this one does because it's so dam brazen.


My real problem is I could see the exact same thing happening here - you read about this and think 'why would anyone vote for it' and realize they are doing it because they will make themselves more money

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pl ... ba787222bd

So basically take lots of money that the government is using for healthcare and instead give the top earners in the country a tax break.

Author:  DavPaz [ Fri May 05, 2017 9:53 ]
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Is this really where we are now? It feels like everything that's happened since 9/11 has been a slow, inexorable slide to the right. Politics of fear is actually fucking winning.

Also, you rarely see a Tory celebration picture with lots of young happy people in it, do? Just a lot of middle aged and elderly, clutching their fucking handbags away from the FORRINS and the TERRORIZTS!

Fuck this, I'm moving to the moon.

Author:  DavPaz [ Fri May 05, 2017 9:54 ]
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But hey, at least UKIP is disappearing.

Silver linings...

Author:  zaphod79 [ Fri May 05, 2017 9:58 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
But hey, at least UKIP is disappearing.

Silver linings...


UKIP is disappearing because all the people that agreed with their policies and the way there were going about things see that the conservative party is doing exactly what they want to do so are voting for them.

To me that's not a silver lining :-(

(I took something you were happy about and made it bad and I'm sorry for that)

Author:  DavPaz [ Fri May 05, 2017 9:59 ]
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Bah!

Moon it is, then!

Author:  DavPaz [ Fri May 05, 2017 10:02 ]
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Early indications suggest the turnout for the Merseyside Metro Mayoral election may be as low as 25%

Author:  Nik [ Fri May 05, 2017 10:20 ]
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Kern wrote:
This morning I saw a photo of Mr Trump and Republican congressmen celebrating taking healthcare away from people in the US and it quite put me off my breakfast. Domestic politics in another country shouldn't bother me so much, but this one does because it's so dam brazen.

:this: :(

It prompted me to write a short essay on twitter, describing my feelings about said Republicans (tl;dr - it's not very complimentary).

Author:  Kern [ Fri May 05, 2017 10:24 ]
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Nik wrote:
It prompted me to write a short essay on twitter, describing my feelings about said Republicans .


:DD

Author:  Goddess Jasmine [ Fri May 05, 2017 10:28 ]
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Kern, when are you going to run? We need someone sensible in charge.

Author:  Zardoz [ Fri May 05, 2017 10:39 ]
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Jesus. These local results are depressing. Cuntservatives are going to get in again.

Author:  Curiosity [ Fri May 05, 2017 10:41 ]
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The Republican shit in the States is beyond vile. It will, by their own admissions, kill more Americans than Al Qaeda and ISIS have ever done, and they're celebrating it. Just horrible.

Not to mention that it appears to make being assaulted or raped a pre-existing condition. Which seems terribly odd and horrible. So women who don't want to lose their health insurance shouldn't report their rape. I wonder which party full of fucking rapists put that through Congress.

Silver lining is that the Senate is crazy, but less crazy than the House. Hopefully it never gets passed.

Author:  Nik [ Fri May 05, 2017 11:08 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
So women who don't want to lose their health insurance shouldn't report their rape.


Indeed, bit of a rapists' charter, given they'll know their victims will likely not report it.

https://twitter.com/KillerMartinis/stat ... 2404979712



Author:  Kern [ Fri May 05, 2017 11:10 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
Jesus. These local results are depressing.


Turnout here in the Shire is 33%. I wish more people would take an interest in local politics: yes, they lack the budget or powers they ought to have but the decisions they do make still matter. I'll get off my high horse now. :)

Author:  Zardoz [ Fri May 05, 2017 11:24 ]
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I voted in the evening and was dismayed to see a lack of ruled lines next to names as they looked for mine on the print outs.

PEOPLE. START GIVING A FUCK please.

Author:  Satsuma [ Fri May 05, 2017 11:25 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
I voted in the evening and was dismayed to see a lack of ruled lines next to names as they looked for mine on the print outs.

PEOPLE. START GIVING A FUCK please.


This^^^

Author:  Mr Dave [ Fri May 05, 2017 11:55 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
Not to mention that it appears to make being assaulted or raped a pre-existing condition. Which seems terribly odd and horrible. So women who don't want to lose their health insurance shouldn't report their rape. I wonder which party full of fucking rapists put that through Congress.

Have you got a source for this? Even the most ardent anti republican news sources I read haven't breathed a word about this.

Author:  Nik [ Fri May 05, 2017 12:02 ]
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Mr Dave wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
Not to mention that it appears to make being assaulted or raped a pre-existing condition. Which seems terribly odd and horrible. So women who don't want to lose their health insurance shouldn't report their rape. I wonder which party full of fucking rapists put that through Congress.

Have you got a source for this? Even the most ardent anti republican news sources I read haven't breathed a word about this.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 18661.html

Author:  zaphod79 [ Fri May 05, 2017 13:02 ]
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It also makes it a precondition to have had a C-section or be a victim of domestic violence

https://qz.com/975894/under-the-republi ... onditions/

Quote:
C-sections, since they can lead to future health complications, for instance leading to the development of conditions such as placenta accreta in future pregnancies, or making future deliveries through C-sections far more likely, exposing the mother to higher risks of hemorrhage and post-surgery complications.

Sexual assault, as it can put people at a higher risk for mental-health issues and substance abuse. (In some instances in the past—like the case of Christina Turner, in Texas, before Obamacare was implemented—getting prescribed medication like HIV retroviral drugs after a rape has compromised women’s ability to secure coverage.)

Domestic violence, since it can lead to a higher need for mental and physical health care.


Author:  Grim... [ Fri May 05, 2017 13:35 ]
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Jesus Christ!

Author:  Mr Dave [ Fri May 05, 2017 14:00 ]
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Nik wrote:
Mr Dave wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
Not to mention that it appears to make being assaulted or raped a pre-existing condition. Which seems terribly odd and horrible. So women who don't want to lose their health insurance shouldn't report their rape. I wonder which party full of fucking rapists put that through Congress.

Have you got a source for this? Even the most ardent anti republican news sources I read haven't breathed a word about this.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 18661.html

Thank you, Sir.

Author:  MrChris [ Fri May 05, 2017 14:55 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Jesus Christ!

Amen.

That's... well, words sort of fail me, but "appalling" will do for now.

Author:  Mr Dave [ Fri May 05, 2017 14:59 ]
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The hope is that they've given themselves lots of rope to hang themselves with by passing a bill that apparently stands little chance of passing the senate.

But that does rely on an informed public...

Author:  Kern [ Fri May 05, 2017 15:18 ]
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Results for the Shire are in. Tories remain one short of a majority, but a number of seats flipped. The two Green ones went to Labour, and we've got a new party represented: the Henley Residents' Group.

Author:  markg [ Fri May 05, 2017 15:25 ]
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Fucking hell, as well as putting the Tories in the absolute fucking morons round here have given UKIP their only council seat so far.

Author:  DavPaz [ Fri May 05, 2017 15:29 ]
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Aaaaaaaaaand Tees Valley have voted for the Tory.

At least it was close.

Author:  MaliA [ Fri May 05, 2017 15:38 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
God I hate the role of the media in politics.

What's it done now? The reporting on Abbott's utter incompetence is fair isn't it?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/vi ... sses-video

Author:  MaliA [ Fri May 05, 2017 15:41 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Aaaaaaaaaand Tees Valley have voted for the Tory.

At least it was close.


You'll get your airport back.

http://www.darlingtonandstocktontimes.c ... f=mrb&lp=1

Author:  Jem [ Fri May 05, 2017 15:46 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Aaaaaaaaaand Tees Valley have voted for the Tory.


I voted for a Tory. As dirty as it makes me feel being generally anti-Tory at every level, the Tory candidate was the best for the job locally. He has lived here all his life and already achieved tons for the town in his position as mayor and alongside the town council which IMO for local council positions is more important than party politics.

Author:  DavPaz [ Fri May 05, 2017 15:52 ]
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That's cool, people are of course free to vote however they feel, but Tees valley turning blue makes me sick. Short, short memories.

Author:  DavPaz [ Fri May 05, 2017 15:54 ]
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MaliA wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
Aaaaaaaaaand Tees Valley have voted for the Tory.

At least it was close.


You'll get your airport back.

http://www.darlingtonandstocktontimes.c ... f=mrb&lp=1

Waste of money. Teesside Airport was always a shed in meadow, and wasting money on trying to resurrect it is folly.

Author:  Jem [ Fri May 05, 2017 15:58 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
That's cool, people are of course free to vote however they feel, but Tees valley turning blue makes me sick. Short, short memories.


It certainly makes the upcoming general more terrifying (for which I wouldn't vote Tory if my life depended on it)

Author:  MaliA [ Fri May 05, 2017 16:17 ]
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Jem wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
That's cool, people are of course free to vote however they feel, but Tees valley turning blue makes me sick. Short, short memories.


It certainly makes the upcoming general more terrifying (for which I wouldn't vote Tory if my life depended on it)

What if the Tory Council guy stood for MP?

Author:  Peter St. John [ Fri May 05, 2017 16:18 ]
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I'd say I hope I don't get sick, but my psoriasis probably already marks me out as somebody to be thinned from the herd.

But! We still have the Senate to go, and they seem to be of the mind to start again by writing a new bill from scratch. Meanwhile, the further Left elements continue beating up on the Center (sp) of the Democrats and I'm trying not to point at the UK and scream 'THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU DO THAT'. But we must have our purity, eh, lads?

Author:  Jem [ Fri May 05, 2017 16:40 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Jem wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
That's cool, people are of course free to vote however they feel, but Tees valley turning blue makes me sick. Short, short memories.


It certainly makes the upcoming general more terrifying (for which I wouldn't vote Tory if my life depended on it)

What if the Tory Council guy stood for MP?


I wouldn't vote for him :shrug: at that point wider issues come into play than local dog fouling and whether or not the main road potholes will be sorted.

Author:  Cras [ Fri May 05, 2017 17:49 ]
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Peter St. John wrote:
I'd say I hope I don't get sick, but my psoriasis probably already marks me out as somebody to be thinned from the herd.


Pfft. It marks you as one of the chosen.

I have to say, chronic psoriasis has always made me feel so grateful for, and dependent on, the NHS that I applaud your bravery in emigrating.

Author:  Peter St. John [ Fri May 05, 2017 18:10 ]
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In one of those bitter ironies, it didn't start until I came over here. Changing jobs lead to the discovery that not all employer-backed insurance schemes are equal - going to Target to be informed that the prescription I was getting for $15 would now be over $400 was…an interesting day!

Author:  TheCookie197 [ Fri May 05, 2017 20:20 ]
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I can't quite put into words how disappointed I am at how many seats the tories managed to pick up in Scotland. Labour, Lib Dem, Green - anything else would be fine. But the TORIES? Really?

Author:  DavPaz [ Fri May 05, 2017 20:26 ]
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TheCookie197 wrote:
I can't quite put into words how disappointed I am at how many seats the tories managed to pick up in Scotland. Labour, Lib Dem, Green - anything else would be fine. But the TORIES? Really?

Share our pain, oh Caledonian neighbour

Author:  MrChris [ Fri May 05, 2017 21:43 ]
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Its very disappointing that people are allowed to vote for the party they want to win the election.

Author:  Kern [ Sat May 06, 2017 10:53 ]
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According to the Oxford Mail the Green candidate in Oxford West & Abingdon is standing down to help the Liberal Democrats reclaim the seat from the Tories. Not much use to me as I don't live there anymore, but this could be the start of a trend.

Author:  Malc [ Sat May 06, 2017 11:05 ]
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The thing is, the Greens are always willing to help, and are one of the leading voices in the progressive alliance talks. It needs the Lib Dems and Labour to reciprocate to have any chance of doing it, and the leaders won't, because they want to be considered as "big parties" and the Tories will start saying "see, I told you, coalition of chaos". So that leaves it down to regional parties deciding to go it alone, and I think it's harder for an individual to stand aside, rather than someone from above telling you to stand aside.

Author:  DavPaz [ Sat May 06, 2017 13:03 ]
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MrChris wrote:
Its very disappointing that people are allowed to vote for the party they want to win the election.

It's disappointing that people are allowed to express disappointment with the results

Author:  MrChris [ Sat May 06, 2017 13:58 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Its very disappointing that people are allowed to vote for the party they want to win the election.

It's disappointing that people are allowed to express disappointment with the results
I ... what?

Author:  DavPaz [ Sat May 06, 2017 14:18 ]
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EXACTLY

Author:  Kern [ Sun May 07, 2017 21:00 ]
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M. Macron wins; France gets to be insufferably smug towards Britain and the USA.

Author:  DavPaz [ Sun May 07, 2017 21:04 ]
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Phew! The world isn't totally crazy, perhaps

Author:  MrChris [ Sun May 07, 2017 21:44 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
EXACTLY

You're an odd boy, Charlie Brown.

Author:  DavPaz [ Sun May 07, 2017 22:16 ]
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MrChris wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
EXACTLY

You're an odd boy, Charlie Brown.

You love it

Author:  Kern [ Mon May 08, 2017 17:28 ]
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I'm currently reading 'More Sex, Lies, and the Ballot Box', edited by Philip Cowley and Robert Ford.

Like its predecessor, it's a collection of short chapters (no more than 1000 words each) on various aspects of political behaviour, from the role of the weather to why young people don't vote.

I wish I'd read a volume like this years ago as it really reminds me how interesting political science, politics, and people can be when written in an accessible style.

Author:  MaliA [ Mon May 08, 2017 19:03 ]
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Who wants to see P Davies's election bumpf?

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