Political Banter and Debate Thread

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6512

I'd genuinely like to know their motivation for doing that.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Jun 15, 2018 15:42

Without looking, I'd say "fairness to men having their bodies photographed"

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Jun 15, 2018 16:04

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2 ... UseOfForce)Bill

Ah. Here we go.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Squirt wrote:

I'd genuinely like to know their motivation for doing that.

The pair of them are complete fistulas.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Jun 15, 2018 16:26

Cras wrote:

Squirt wrote:

I'd genuinely like to know their motivation for doing that.

The pair of them are complete fistulas.

Davies has said before that a lot of the proposed legislation requires scrutiny lest poorly drafted laws find their way on to the statute book, hence the many questions posed and clarity of definitions sought. Even though the principal might be good (free parking at hospitals for carers), the execution less so (there was little to no definition of carer, in this instance). A goal without a means is just a dream, as I like to say, and, such definition is important.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Also Davies is a fistula.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Fri Jun 15, 2018 19:04

I think yer man just needed time to delete some pics from his phone.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10078

I see seasonal workers are now getting a visa exception as well.

It's good to see the British tradition of forming a simple but ineffective law then amending it to high buggery is already bank in full swing.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:43

Senior Tories are advocating for legalising weed. If I were a young person, I'm not sure that the promise of a joint would take my mind off the government's disdain for our future.

But I'm not, and whilst I agree in principle, I really don't like the smell of weed.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:51

Mali! Stop tweeting to lords!

Quote:

Lord Adonis:
My Lords, does the noble and learned Lord know whether Karl Marx is public or private property?

Lord Keen of Elie:
My understanding is that there is no right of property in a body.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:52

This is why we have a House of Lords:

Quote:

Lord Selkirk of Douglas:

Does the Minister accept that in the past I have had a particular interest in this because one of my ancestors was buried in an Egyptian sarcophagus? When efforts were made by respected members of the public to recover the sarcophagus, it could not be found. Perhaps I may say that where private sector measures impact on the public sector, it can often give rise to offence if it means interfering with other graves.

Lord Keen of Elie:
I am obliged to my noble friend for his question. I am not aware of the present whereabouts of the sarcophagus in question.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:43

BOOM!

Check out @xtophercook’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/xtophercook/status/ ... 6514889728

I once asked a (no longer in post) cabinet member if they thought if Chris Grayling was the minister with the worst record in govt in recent times. They asked for time to consider the question. Then said they didn't know enough about post-war history. https://t.co/Mz7NuctldA
— Chris Cook (@xtophercook) June 22, 2018

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:00

Fun fact*: He were a school friend of mine.(Mr Cook, Not Mr Lamb)

* - For certain definitions of fun.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Scenes

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1011234592198680576

Boris Johnson flies to Afghanistan to avoid voting on Heathrow expansion - Politics live https://t.co/oaMr7pmlKl
— The Guardian (@guardian) June 25, 2018

Kern · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2018 14:19

We should be pleased that he's not in the country and that his obvious chicanery has probably further harmed his chances of the top job.

asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

Boris Johnson has said quitting over the issue of Heathrow expansion would "achieve absolutely nothing"

So that's us all set straight.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

UKIP is going alt-right.
Paul Joseph Watson [InfoWars], Count Dankula, Sargon of Akkad & Milo Yiannopoulos have all just joined.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... into-party

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkVkTnag9hS/

Curiosity · **Posted:** Tue Jun 26, 2018 21:28

Oh good. Actual Nazis!

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:46

Speaking of which, Mr Trump is apparently going to have dinner at Blenheim Palace when he graces these shores next month. He'll probably find it a little too restrained compared to his properties.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Jun 28, 2018 15:31

MaliA wrote:

Bit fucked off Nissan have said that they are staying in Sunderland. Doesn't sit right, to me.

oh

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:03

Guardian:

Quote:

Americans in the UK have been warned to “keep a low profile” during this week’s visit of their president, Donald Trump, as the US embassy in London says demonstrations against the event could turn violent.

And yet Mr Trump keeps on saying that the world respects the USA again.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22270

Kern wrote:

Guardian:

Quote:

Americans in the UK have been warned to “keep a low profile” during this week’s visit of their president, Donald Trump, as the US embassy in London says demonstrations against the event could turn violent.

And yet Mr Trump keeps on saying that the world respects the USA again.

Reading that article, I didn't get the impression that the recommendation was due to them being American. It was a recommendation about avoiding the protests as they could get violent in general, not specifically targeting them.

Which, to be fair, isn't terrible advice.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:17

Live dangerously. Wear a red cap.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38460

He'd better hope the semi-final goes well for England and the happy mood continues

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

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Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:20

Thanks to Mr Trump, I'm now feeling slightly sorry for the Prime Minister.

And pissing myself laughing at her naivety about him.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:36

Kern wrote:

Thanks to Mr Trump, I'm now feeling slightly sorry for the Prime Minister.

And pissing myself laughing at her naivety about him.

It's a strange world we live in. I cannot help but feel, when faced with a bellicose US president, the whole thing was handled much better by Prime Minister Hugh Grant.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22270

It would be great if she has finally had enough, and decides to put the beat down on trump in her speech later, but it will be all special relationship this, and valued friendship that.
I want her to go "fuck it" and call everyone out on all the petulant bullshit.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:44

The Queen's about to call Downing Street and repeatedly emphasise just how bad her cold is and how sorry she is about not being able to get into work today.

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:49

Trooper wrote:

It would be great if she has finally had enough, and decides to put the beat down on trump in her speech later, but it will be all special relationship this, and valued friendship that.
I want her to go "fuck it" and call everyone out on all the petulant bullshit.

The whole thing is just amazing, as everyone just seems to step back and doesn't quite know what to do. Still, tea with Brenda, later, could prove interesting.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:04

MaliA wrote:

Still, tea with Brenda, later, could prove interesting.

Is it wise to leave Melania with Phillip?

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:42

Kern wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Still, tea with Brenda, later, could prove interesting.

Is it wise to leave Melania with Phillip?

Let's face it, he can't be wore than what she's already got.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14358

Theresa May met President Donald Trump at :belm:

heim Palace.

EDIT: corrected for what I was actually going for

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:51

Satsuma wrote:

Theresa May met President Donald Trump at Blemheim Palace.

I get what they were trying to do, but it probably wasn't gaudy or ostentatious enough for him.

asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

He is coming to Sandhurst today with May to watch some military demonstrations

Sinister black helicopters flying around a 5-mile radius of the Military Academy. Think these aren't even US they are ours doing practise sweeps.

Warhead · Noob as of 6/8/10

Mr Dave wrote:

Kern wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Still, tea with Brenda, later, could prove interesting.

Is it wise to leave Melania with Phillip?

Let's face it, he can't be wore than what she's already got.

I would really, REALLY love to hear what Phillip has to say about Trump. If only he hadn't given up public engagements, we might have been treated to one of his legendary asides.

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1018038316686561280

Trump's ambassador lobbied Britain on behalf of jailed right-wing activist Tommy Robinson https://t.co/SlSydVOVfy pic.twitter.com/AbizakWp4J
— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) July 14, 2018

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Holy fucking shit, the US Congress went insane this week. I saw some clips on Twitter but I had no idea how bad it was.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Some photos I took at the Together Against Trump rally yesterday: https://www.facebook.com/richardgaywood ... .522899041

LewieP · **Joined:** 29th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 7600

https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/statu ... 2527324160

The #Chequers deal has disenfranchised voters. People telling me at the weekend that it was â€˜last strawâ€™ and if a charismatic figure stood heading a new party, they would vote for him/her. Sounds like we could be heading for our very own Trump/Macron/Robinson.
— Nadine Dorries (@NadineDorries) July 16, 2018

Nadine Dorries there, saying that Tommy Robinson could be the UK's Trump/Macron.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:29

I see our favourite MRA MP has publicly stated that he has sent a no confidence letter about the PM.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:53

Curiosity wrote:

I see our favourite MRA MP has publicly stated that he has sent a no confidence letter about the PM.

Do not blame him

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Jul 19, 2018 13:14

MaliA wrote:

Curiosity wrote:

I see our favourite MRA MP has publicly stated that he has sent a no confidence letter about the PM.

Do not blame him

Whilst I have no confidence in her, he’s doing it from the perspective of not trusting her to enact an extremely Hard Brexit.

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6512

Is reaching the letter threshold enough in itself to trigger a leadership contest, or does it just trigger a confidence vote that can lead to one?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Considering the 1922 committee were apparently asking people to stop sending letters next week because they were nearly at the threshold, I assume it's automatic.

Oh - automatic confidence vote, I mean.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22270

Triggers a no confidence vote, as I understand it. Or would if parliament wasn't in recess...

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Trooper wrote:

Triggers a no confidence vote, as I understand it. Or would if parliament wasn't in recess...

A Parliamentary vote of no confidence in the government isn't the same thing as a Conservative Party vote of no confidence in their leader, though. Not least of which is that the latter isn't a Parliament vote, as only Conservative MPs take part. Can the latter happen while Parliament is in recess? I see no reason why it can't in theory. https://qz.com/1324945/this-is-what-it- ... -minister/ doesn't mention it.

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6512

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Trooper wrote:

Triggers a no confidence vote, as I understand it. Or would if parliament wasn't in recess...

A Parliamentary vote of no confidence in the government isn't the same thing as a Conservative Party vote of no confidence in their leader, though. Not least of which is that the latter isn't a Parliament vote, as only Conservative MPs take part. Can the latter happen while Parliament is in recess? I see no reason why it can't in theory. https://qz.com/1324945/this-is-what-it- ... -minister/ doesn't mention it.

Ahh, that's exactly what I was after, thank you. I'd read a handful of articles but they all missed out details.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2018 17:44

MaliA wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Sir Taxalot wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

Does smack a bit of nimbyness though. It's got to be somewhere.

It's more fitting in a shittier village though, where house prices are already low.

Basically, yes

Lovely.

At what loint should one stop tolerating aggressive begging and discarded needles?

Walking down the road last night and boke came up to me last night and wanted money so I told him I didn't have any change and he told me to "Piss off" then followed me for a bit. Long story short, I've asked local police and counciller what the plan is to deal with such aggressive begging.

I had a chat with the policeman dude and he thinks he knows who it is and they're working towards criminal asbos and the like. It remains a discussion point as to what help the state and private citizens should provide.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... he_public/

Quote:

Last weekend Shipley Neighbourhood Policing Team had issued five dispersal orders to aggressive beggars in Saltaire and Shipley but by that night, two had breached the orders.

Shipley MP Philip Davies said the conviction was good news. “Aggressive begging is certainly an issue in Shipley which intimidates shoppers, particularly elderly people and deters people from coming into the town centre which then damages all shops and businesses. It is an issue I have raised in the House of Commons,” he said.

“I very much welcome this conviction and hope that Bradford Council and West Yorkshire Police do everything they can to tackle it.”

There we go.
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... n-shipley/

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

A shocking indictment of Grayling's performance at probation:

http://politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/ ... part-again

Unfortunately there's a whole load of buffoonery and incompetence going largely unreported thanks to Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... the-tories

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