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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 11:02 
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Disappointing lack of Labour leaflets here (or any details online - beyond names and addresses - of any of their candidates in this ward), in contrast to the few Lib Dem and barrage of Tory leaflets. Maybe that goes towards explaining why the Tories keep winning in the ward (mind you, it doesn't help that Harrow Labour Party basically split in two in 2013). As a Labour member, I guess this is partly my fault, but life has kind of got in the way of me volunteering (as I did for last year's general election), plus no one asked me to this time.

I'll be interested to see if the Lib Dems mop up a lot of remain votes...


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This is a handy guide to voting: https://www.facebook.com/notes/391238094214/ - although it says 2010 at the top, it's updated every year, with any new rules.


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I’ve got council and Mayoral elections. Will be voting this evening and will be voting Lib Dem, even though the borough is largely Labour at present.

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http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... D_to_vote/

Not sure how that happened.

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This isn't everywhere right? Because we've had no notification.


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This isn't everywhere right? Because we've had no notification.

Only some parts of England (mainly Towns and Cities) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43973936 <==--- has a thing where you can put in your postcode and it will tell you if you are voting or not.

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Nothing going on for me, but then i'm in Northampton, so we don't even have a council at all at the moment, as far as I can tell :D They probably can't afford to run an election...


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A solid “fuck Brexit” result in my local council elections, I think.


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My dad held onto his seat, increased his majority to 1000, and Labour now took control of Trafford council.

There was a lot of outrage at Tory backed plans to sell off a lot of the public green spaces in less wealthy areas to property developers. There's a need for affordable housing, but they were going to all be high end apartments. There was no plans to invest in public services, infrastructure or anything else to coincide with the developments.

My understanding is that the Labour councillors are on board with developing new housing, but want to do it with consulting local residents, scaling back and spreading out the development (so all Trafford residents still get public green spaces) and requiring developers to commit to building some affordable housing in conjunction with high end apartments.


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Some seats in Chipping Norton and Witney went to Labour and Lib Dems. Not enough to change the balance of power in West Oxfordshire, deep in the heart of Cameron country, but perhaps indicative of people moving out of London and bringing their political beliefs with them. In 100 years' time the area might become competitive.

Also, a tie in a Witney parish council vote was settled in the traditional manner. One of the rare joys of our antiquated system.


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Green and Lim Dem gains in Sheffield, no doubt in part due to the tree felling protests and the council not wanting to meet the protest group(s).

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Labour gain in Shipley but, by God, did they put a lot into it. There were people out knocking my door at 8pm!

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Also, a tie in a Witney parish council vote was settled in the traditional manner.


Going in against a Sicilian when death is on the line?

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Results so far seem to suggest the populace is fairly ok with the status quo.
Bloody British people.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Results so far seem to suggest the populace is fairly ok with the status quo.
Or everyone is equally shambolic. The Conservatives are a wreck, Labour are awful, the LibDems have collapsed.


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And it's local council elections which don't particularly stir anyone's blood.

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And it's local council elections which don't particularly stir anyone's blood.


Until beloved services are threatened or the potholes aren't collected weekly or the bins aren't filled. Then people get angry. But they carry on voting for national governments that cut support and prevent rises in council tax to fund this stuff (and get angry if it is).

Sadly, regardless of party, councillors have really bad decisions to make due to the lack of funding.


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And it's local council elections which don't particularly stir anyone's blood.


Until beloved services are threatened or the potholes aren't collected weekly or the bins aren't filled.


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Hmm, BBC coverage, mole valley:conservatives hold.
Click on mole valley:conservatives lose to no overall control.

Which to believe?


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Due to redistricting every party lost councillors in my ward, which confused the hell out of me for a bit.

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Hmm, BBC coverage, mole valley:conservatives hold.
Click on mole valley:conservatives lose to no overall control.

Which to believe?

The part where the conservatives lost control, apparently.


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It's a better result for the Tories than Labour, but hardly surprising as Labour have looked poor recently. I think if you were trying to express the electorate's voice in a single word it'd be 'Meh', or maybe, 'Duhhhh'.


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At least Ukip have been given a thorough kicking.


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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
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Results so far seem to suggest the populace is fairly ok with the status quo.
Or everyone is equally shambolic. The Conservatives are a wreck, Labour are awful, the LibDems have collapsed.


Whilst the Lib Dems always do better in local elections, they had a decent showing that would translate to them gaining seats in a GE (though it likely won’t)

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At least Ukip have been given a thorough kicking.

They've done what they set out to and morphed back into Tories.


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Mr Chris believes in benevolent autocracy now.


He's gone native

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I bet they enforce the Quiet Carriage too.


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The trams in Manchester and surrounding area have bricks and stuff thrown at them daily, and groups of ‘feral yobs’ often intimidate and/or attack people both on the trams and in some stations. My local tram stop is regarded as one of the most dangerous on the network.


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My local tram stop is regarded as one of the most dangerous on the network.


Which stop is that? I remember when the Metrolink was brand spanking new, it went live just as I was finishing college. (Early 1992.)

We were over visiting family last year and did quite a bit of travelling on the Metrolink, albeit during the daylight hours for minimum yobbage.


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Apart from when that shitty festival up on the bury line somewhere is on and the trams are full of drunk youngsters that is nothing like my experiences on the trams in 7 years.


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I'm not even sure that qualifies as real Metrolink.

The Metrolink runs from Bury to Manchester, and Manchester to Altrincham is also permissible.

Everything else is voodoo and doesn't really exist, if you moved to the IOM in 1996.

I mean, fucking Eccles.

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I've been through there to Didders a few times and not had any trouble. Never had to get off though, so I shall than my stars.


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Never been a fan of overcomplicating games with expansion. I prefer the basic version of Mornington Crescent


The new Rail Cross expansion looks good though. Real shift in the meta

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Never been a fan of overcomplicating games with expansion. I prefer the basic version of Mornington Crescent


The new Rail Cross expansion looks good though. Real shift in the meta


I still can't grasp the Circle Line NOT BEING A CIRCLE ANYMORE.


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I've been through there to Didders a few times and not had any trouble. Never had to get off though, so I shall than my stars.


I don’t use the Met much, but St. Werburgh’s isn’t really visible from the road, so scallies probably think they can mix it up with impunity. I’ve only used it for commuting occasionally and haven’t noticed any problems apart from a couple of fare dodgers, but I’m guessing that a lot of the trouble is at night when the late workers or drinkers are heading for home.

I encountered more problems when I used to commute on the bus every day, when I was office based, which was before they extended the met.

I think instances of trouble are relatively low, but if a tram is out of commission due to vandalism while in service, it potentially fucks up huge chunks of the network and thousands of people’s commute, which is not so with busses.


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It's not like you'd notice with the buses anyway - testament to how well the trams generally run I guess!

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Yesterday, MPs debated veterinary homeopathy. Leading the charge against big pharma was David Tredennick (Bosworth, Con) who, in the great tradition of the practice, was being very effective by being the only one making a full speech.

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The placebo argument—that this is all in the imagination—is often used against homeopathy, but Buttercup and Daisy do not understand double blind placebo-controlled trials
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The placebo argument—that this is all in the imagination—is often used against homeopathy, but Buttercup and Daisy do not understand double blind placebo-controlled trials

Well...

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BBC reporting several Labour MPs from the north of England are demanding a second referendum.


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If he'd called her a 'bloody stupid idiot' would that have been fine and dandy? Is it offensive specifically because he referred to her gender?


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Do you remember well over a year ago when Bristol Police taser ed their own race relations guy and we talked at length about it?

Good.

Right.

Not guilty.

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