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Reviews of Shipman's new book are coming in https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... ry-tragedy

I really enjoyed his last one so I'll pick this up at some point when I'm not reading books with zombies and/or spaceships on the cover.


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I really enjoyed his last one so I'll pick this up at some point


Aye. One of the most gripping political thrillers I've read in a long time.

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when I'm not reading books with zombies and/or spaceships on the cover.


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https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ssion=true

Cam W posted that on the twitter

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Donald Trump spent much of 2016 questioning his opponent's stamina to be president of the United States. But it is now Trump's own fitness that is being scrutinized by friends and foes alike.

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Jeremy Hunt does the right thing!

Guardian: Jeremy Hunt launches opt-out organ donation plans

Well done Jeremy. You're not a complete euphemism, after all.


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http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/arti ... llennials/

This is an excellent, if thoroughly depressing, review of all the ways Millennials are thoroughly and dangerously screwed by the modern housing, jobs, and healthcare systems. It's written about America but Britain is not so different, I fear.


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Picked up the latest GQ for some Christmas reading and had a choice of covers: Jeremy Corbyn or Matt Smith. I chose the one best known for playing a kindly old-fashioned English gentleman who becomes a folk hero and wants a better world but runs away a lot.


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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/poor-millennials/

This is an excellent, if throughout depressing, review of all the ways Millennials are thoroughly and dangerously screwed by the modern housing, jobs, and healthcare systems. It's written about America but Britain is not so different, I fear.


Great piece, thanks for the link.

I think it'll get worse before it gets better, as much as I hope I'm wrong about that.


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Fucking horrible website, though.

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I think the design is cute.


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I think the design is cute.


Yeah I thought it was very cool, all you need is the up and down arrow keys, or the scroll wheel.


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I think the design is cute.

Yeah I thought it was very cool, all you need is the up and down arrow keys, or the scroll wheel.

What do you normally use?

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I think the design is cute.

Yeah I thought it was very cool, all you need is the up and down arrow keys, or the scroll wheel.

What do you normally use?


The up and down arrow keys, or the scroll wheel.

EDIT - And PAGE UP and PAGE DOWN for bigger jumps. And HOME and END sometimes, I think.

Whatever the case, I thought it was a nicely designed webpage, although I would have to explain it to my in-laws if I were to send them a link, which sort of spoils it a bit.


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On Friday the House of Lords debated Baroness Kennedy's bill to restrict entry to the country to those who are ' known to be, or to have been, involved in conduct constituting the commission of a gross human rights abuse or violation'. This is basically referring to those Russians already facing sanctions here, in the US, and elsewhere - a Magnitsky Act.

It's a very good debate and worth reading if you want something positive in politics. It'll be interesting how far it progresses: the minister's response was a bit lukewarm.


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http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/poor-millennials/

This is an excellent, if thoroughly depressing, review of all the ways Millennials are thoroughly and dangerously screwed by the modern housing, jobs, and healthcare systems. It's written about America but Britain is not so different, I fear.


This was my mate's comment about it. He's a very wealthy banker.

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This makes me so angry. When Hammond touts his unemployment figures, these are the people he’s sweeping under the carpet. It’s a disgrace.

(Click through for a short video interviewing some people who are homeless despite having zero-hour contract jobs.)

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Racial division within Bradford is 'horrible state of affairs', warns scrutiny committee chairman.


I'm amazed comments are open on this article.

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Have to say that this Bannon/Trump falling out is cheering me up a bit.


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Definitely!

And now Mr Trump's team are trying to stop publication. Oh, this always goes well (for the publishers).


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Good to hear that Mrs May is so keen to sort out the housing problem she's added 'Housing' to the name of the local government department and kept Sajid Javid on as minister.


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Reshuffle info graphic!

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http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... ffle_quip/

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PHILIP Davies has prompted laughter in the Commons this afternoon with a joke on Theresa May's Cabinet reshuffle.

MPs are now back in Westminster following the Christmas break and the outspoken Conservative Shipley MP joked he would need to "get in quick" with his question "before the Prime Minister's inevitable call".

His quip was met with amusement from fellow MPs.


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http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/15814361.Shipley_MP_Philip_Davies_prompts_laughter_with_Cabinet_reshuffle_quip/

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PHILIP Davies has prompted laughter in the Commons this afternoon with a joke on Theresa May's Cabinet reshuffle.

MPs are now back in Westminster following the Christmas break and the outspoken Conservative Shipley MP joked he would need to "get in quick" with his question "before the Prime Minister's inevitable call".

His quip was met with amusement from fellow MPs.


Oh, how we laughed.

He also said this. What a poor snowflake.

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Trump said the US can get again into the Paris accord after the (very short) meeting with Norway's PM. I don't know what she said to him, but we should be grateful.

Anyway, the chance that Trump changes his mind again is almost 1.


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He apparently changes his mind about things very easily when he's in a room with someone and then changes it back again just as quickly.


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Mr Trump won't be visiting the UK because he doesn't like the new embassy. And not, of course, because he's worried he'll be as welcome as a hog roast at a vegan wedding.

In other news, the Radio 4 newsreader just said 'shithole'.


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Mr Trump won't be visiting the UK because he doesn't like the new embassy. And not, of course, because he's worried he'll be as welcome as a hog roast at a vegan wedding.

In other news, the Radio 4 newsreader just said 'shithole'.

For what was believed to be the first time in history, a peer said “Cunt” while speaking in the House of Lords yesterday.


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For what was believed to be the first time in history, a peer said “Cunt” while speaking in the House of Lords yesterday.


Piers Morgan's a peer?


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Mr Trump won't be visiting the UK because he doesn't like the new embassy. And not, of course, because he's worried he'll be as welcome as a hog roast at a vegan wedding.


...what am I supposed to do with these bottles of piss now?

When's Beiber in the country next?


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Mr Trump won't be visiting the UK because he doesn't like the new embassy. And not, of course, because he's worried he'll be as welcome as a hog roast at a vegan wedding.

In other news, the Radio 4 newsreader just said 'shithole'.


If I was at a vegan wedding I'd bloody love a hog roast.


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Mr Trump won't be visiting the UK because he doesn't like the new embassy. And not, of course, because he's worried he'll be as welcome as a hog roast at a vegan wedding.

In other news, the Radio 4 newsreader just said 'shithole'.


If I was at a vegan wedding I'd bloody love a hog roast.



:) Might need to work on that analogy.


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http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... n_Shipley/

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The Conservative politician also said the local authority’s focus should be on affordable housing in and around Bradford city centre, rather than more expensive homes on greenbelt land.


Well. Cripes.

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Not that surprised, there's hardly anything there to disagree with

He's an odd one. He's got a history of really quite unpleasant opinions, but actually seems to be quite committed to doing good things locally.

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The rise in homelessness over the past few years is, I think, one of the biggest political failures and social tragedies of the past few years. Not trying to start a cuts/austerity/bankers fight (we've done that too much and I'd rather post pictures of bears) but more a case that we've let the infrastructure and support networks dwindle as each operator (government; councils; health; police etc) reduce or remove their bit and not dealing with the knock-on effects on other services. I'm generally against over centralisation but this is one issue where a more joined-up or central approach is necessary.


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Not that surprised, there's hardly anything there to disagree with

He's an odd one. He's got a history of really quite unpleasant opinions, but actually seems to be quite committed to doing good things locally.


The correspondence I have had with him has been good. He's kept me updated with goings on and copies of letters and emails he has had.

If it came to an election though, I doubt I'd vote for him as our differences on larger issues cannot be squared. However, I wouldn't vote for Labour as it'd be taken as endorsi g their Brexit stance and Corbyn, and read of their parliamentary candidate:

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Which is a deal breaker. The only argument I have seen on twitter (mainly of my instigation) is "If you don't vote Labour the Tories will get in you monster" and that isn't good enough.

On homelessness around where I am, there are about 4 I recognise and 2 beg aggressively, walking about and coming up to people.

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The rise in homelessness over the past few years is, I think, one of the biggest political failures and social tragedies of the past few years. Not trying to start a cuts/austerity/bankers fight (we've done that too much and I'd rather post pictures of bears) but more a case that we've let the infrastructure and support networks dwindle as each operator (government; councils; health; police etc) reduce or remove their bit and not dealing with the knock-on effects on other services. I'm generally against over centralisation but this is one issue where a more joined-up or central approach is necessary.


I read this article yesterday with various stories from homeless people and it's just heartbreaking stuff. A friend of mine is part of a Facebook group that over Christmas gave out hundreds of big rucksacks, stuffed with stuff to help the homeless keep warm and look after themselves. They've done loads of good things, but you can't help thinking this is a solvable problem. Although one nearby town's attempts to solve it was a plan to fine rough sleepers £1k if they were found to be sleeping in a tent. Unsurprisingly, that didn't go down well and it was scrapped.

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"If you don't vote Labour the Tories will get in you monster"

That really makes me angry. It's a flat-out lie, it's anti-democratic, and it reeks of desperation.

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"If you don't vote Labour the Tories will get in you monster"

That really makes me angry. It's a flat-out lie, it's anti-democratic, and it reeks of desperation.

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See: that spreadsheet that went round before the election with "who to vote for to stop the tories"

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"If you don't vote Labour the Tories will get in you monster"

That really makes me angry. It's a flat-out lie, it's anti-democratic, and it reeks of desperation.

I can't think of a single time that an opposition party hasn't campaigned at least in part by attacking the government. And vice versa. Because that's really all you're describing here.


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It's nothing to do with the sitting government. It's to do with "Yeah, you're not voting X, but unless you vote Y you might as well be voting for X." which isn't true, and isn't how democracy should be.

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It's nothing to do with the sitting government. It's to do with "Yeah, you're not voting X, but unless you vote Y you might as well be voting for X." which isn't true, and isn't how democracy should be.

Blame FPTP. If we had PR people could vote for who they wanted without worrying about tactical voting.

As it stands, I can see why people would vote for the candidate and party that would keep X out. It's making the best of a broken system.

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Yeah, but even with PR then you could still say that you had to vote for the "least worst" option if you decided to frame it in negative terms. If someone is "only voting X to keep Y out" then that surely means that there is something about X's policies that they prefer.


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Yeah, but even with PR then you could still say that you had to vote for the "least worst" option if you decided to frame it in negative terms. If someone is "only voting X to keep Y out" then that surely means that there is something about X's policies that they prefer.

Yeah, I was more thinking of voting X, Y or Z to keep A out.

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Yeah, but even with PR then you could still say that you had to vote for the "least worst" option if you decided to frame it in negative terms. If someone is "only voting X to keep Y out" then that surely means that there is something about X's policies that they prefer.


Sure, you do prefer X to Y, but you prefer Z to both, only the very idea of voting for Z is couched as a vote for Y.

Basically everyone vote lib dem.

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Yeah, but even with PR then you could still say that you had to vote for the "least worst" option if you decided to frame it in negative terms. If someone is "only voting X to keep Y out" then that surely means that there is something about X's policies that they prefer.


Sure, you do prefer X to Y, but you prefer Z to both, only the very idea of voting for Z is couched as a vote for Y.


Indeed. Stupid FPTP.

That said, if you’re not actively switching your vote away from X or Y, you shouldn’t be able to be accused of actively helping either to win, since you’re not taking anything away from either.

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Indeed. Stupid FPTP.


Still, at least our soldiers got those incubators they needed rather than a slightly-better voting system back in 2011.


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