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Whilst looking for something else I just came across a short Westminster Hall debate on homeopathy and the NHS held at the end of March that I hadn't noticed. I say 'debate', but it's more like a rant by David Tredinnick and I gave up trying to count the number of fallacies he employs to justify the woo.


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Election fraud in Bradford rears its head again

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Complaints about sharp practice in Bradford in recent years are hugely varied, running the gamut from playground-style jostling between parties on the campaign trail to postal vote fraud.

There have been claims of anonymous leaflets being dropped through letterboxes in the dead of night, making personal attacks on candidates.

There are often complaints of large groups of political activists gathering outside polling stations on election day, which Ms England acknowledged was “not helpful” behaviour.

“I have the power to move them on - and we do,” she says.

Very occasionally, there are allegations of violence.

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Whilst looking for something else I just came across a short Westminster Hall debate on homeopathy and the NHS held at the end of March that I hadn't noticed. I say 'debate', but it's more like a rant by David Tredinnick and I gave up trying to count the number of fallacies he employs to justify the woo.



Crikey.

One of MrsA's friends is big into "Micriwaves cause cancer", "energetic vibration of mango bought on farm greater than commercial mango" and all that shit which I just cannot be arsed with arguing with. It really grates, but it'd upset MrsA if I commented, so there's a pax romana in place. If I ever want one of my kids to die of a perfectly preventable disease, though, I know who to ask.

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Whilst looking for something else I just came across a short Westminster Hall debate on homeopathy and the NHS held at the end of March that I hadn't noticed. I say 'debate', but it's more like a rant by David Tredinnick and I gave up trying to count the number of fallacies he employs to justify the woo.



Crikey.

One of MrsA's friends is big into "Micriwaves cause cancer", "energetic vibration of mango bought on farm greater than commercial mango" and all that shit which I just cannot be arsed with arguing with. It really grates, but it'd upset MrsA if I commented, so there's a pax romana in place. If I ever want one of my kids to die of a perfectly preventable disease, though, I know who to ask.

I'm sure I posted on here about the idiot now-ex friend of ours who got bladder cancer and tried curing it by drinking her own piss. Her cancer doctor basically sacked her and said "look there's no point me wasting appointments on you if you're just going to ignore everything I say". Who, by weird coincidence, was also the surgeon who did Ruth's op.

She's also the one who set up a free school with her hippy friends, none of whose kids have had immunisations. Funnily enough, they were ground zero for a whooping cough outbreak in Stroud. Having seen babies in hospital with whooping cough, this is one of the more irresponsible things you can do to put other people's kids at risk. Hence her now being an ex friend ( she didn't die, Ruth spoke to her dad, who put pressure on her to have an actual bloody operation and chemo so she didn't die and leave her daughter parentless, and she's now cancer free)

God I fucking hate hippies.

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I don't see what's surprising about Corbyn being popular. He's not turned out to be a particularly effective leader of the party but he's a decent, principled man and I can very much understand his appeal as a politician. (His voting record on women's issues in parliament, for example, is far better than May's.)

If you can look beyond much of the media's hatred for him, and actually see the man himself and the policies of his party - there's a lot to like.


I'm getting really fed up of this "people just need to stop believing the media" bullshit that is thrown at everyone that questions Corbyn.

I am sure that he is a lovely chap and the fact that he isn't a dick with his expenses, votes on women's issues etc does give him "voter appeal" but you said it yourself: he's not turned out to be a particularly effective leader.

THAT'S that problem, not the media backlash, not the "propaganda".

I would love nothing more than to vote a genuinely nice guy in but what's the point if he's not going to fucking achieve anything?

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God I fucking hate hippies.


Anti-vax homeopathic bullshit is not exclusive to hippies.

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True, Jeremy Hunt is a homeopathy believer. And one of Trump's advisers is against vaccination isn't he?

But hippies are, on the whole, fucking insufferable.


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The definition of hippy has just been broadened, is all.

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The definition of hippy has just been broadened, is all.

Quite. Trump is a fucking hippy.

Actually, it seems to be a sort of brainless middleclass twatbag on the whole. There's definitely a correlation between anti-vaxxers and quinoa intake.

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The definition of hippy has just been broadened, is all.

Quite. Trump is a fucking hippy.

Actually, it seems to be a sort of brainless middleclass twatbag on the whole. There's definitely a correlation between anti-vaxxers and quinoa intake.


Actually, I think you'll find it is called Kee-Nah

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It's not a hard mental leap to make from being (usually rightly) outraged by the behaviour of megaglobal sinister corporations to decide that big pharma is just after extracting as much money from your corpse as possible.


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It's not a hard mental leap to make from being (usually rightly) outraged by the behaviour of megaglobal sinister corporations to decide that big pharma is just after extracting as much money from your corpse as possible.


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A quick google suggests that the RC chirch is worth about $15billion. There are about 7.5 billion on the planet, so this guy's abundant wealth for all is $2.

Given this, the rest might not be legit.

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I think Pluto needs to work on his anger issues and move on from the whole planet thing.


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I think Pluto needs to work on his anger issues and move on from the whole planet thing.


Nah, he's annoyed as Goofy gets to wear clothes and not sleep in a kennel.

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I did find a couple of quid down the back of the sofa so that could have been from the Vatican

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It's text, it doesn't need (fucking mahoosive) screenshots.

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Gah, I have had these conversations - that start off real, then take a side turn down into crazy land. My landlady is a homeopath. And a lovely lady. With lovely friends. But if you get into what they believe... a friend of hers is staying and just yesterday segued from travel and the world into mercury (and 'other nasty things') in immunisations and the autistic children she helps out. With homeopathy, natch.


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It's text, it doesn't need (fucking mahoosive) screenshots.


Oh, right. A screenshot is easier, though. Will remember for future.

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A guy I was at school with got sent to prison for that sort of magical energy stuff:

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I did find a couple of quid down the back of the sofa so that could have been from the Vatican


MrsA just texted me to offer the opinion that had I done my research correctly, the net worth could ve as low as $8 billion. So you might owe some.

We found the ipad down the side of the sofa on Maundy Thursday. Has been missing since October...

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Gah, I have had these conversations - that start off real, then take a side turn down into crazy land. My landlady is a homeopath. And a lovely lady. With lovely friends. But if you get into what they believe... a friend of hers is staying and just yesterday segued from travel and the world into mercury (and 'other nasty things') in immunisations and the autistic children she helps out. With homeopathy, natch.

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I did find a couple of quid down the back of the sofa so that could have been from the Vatican


MrsA just texted me to offer the opinion that had I done my research correctly, the net worth could ve as low as $8 billion. So you might owe some.

We found the ipad down the side of the sofa on Maundy Thursday. Has been missing since October...


I did maths:

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Seems $15 billion too high. Net worth of Vatican looks to be closer to $8billion from various reports (Eg http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/24/news/po ... urch/), the population of earth or the maths of one divided by the other?

Or, we could say that it owns all of every FTSE 100 company. That'd be worth $2.2 trillion. Divide that and everyone gets $267 dollars.

For everyone to get, say, $100,000 dollars, that would mean them owning assests of £750trillion which is about 37 times larger than the GDP of the US.

Scaling back, if it had assests equal to the GDP of the US, everyonr would get the equivalent of a 17 year old BMW 3 series with 100,000 miles on the clock ($2,667).

So, between $1 and $2 most likely.

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I did find a couple of quid down the back of the sofa so that could have been from the Vatican


MrsA just texted me to offer the opinion that had I done my research correctly, the net worth could ve as low as $8 billion. So you might owe some.

We found the ipad down the side of the sofa on Maundy Thursday. Has been missing since October...


I did maths:

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
Seems $15 billion too high. Net worth of Vatican looks to be closer to $8billion from various reports (Eg http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/24/news/po ... urch/), the population of earth or the maths of one divided by the other?

Or, we could say that it owns all of every FTSE 100 company. That'd be worth $2.2 trillion. Divide that and everyone gets $267 dollars.

For everyone to get, say, $100,000 dollars, that would mean them owning assests of £750trillion which is about 37 times larger than the GDP of the US.

Scaling back, if it had assests equal to the GDP of the US, everyonr would get the equivalent of a 17 year old BMW 3 series with 100,000 miles on the clock ($2,667).

So, between $1 and $2 most likely.


Oh. The original author has said it isn't known how much gold is held.

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BBC reports estimates of 177,380 metric tonnes mined in history of world, so let's assume "All the gold". At $40,683 per kilo that's $6.97 trillion, or $7 trillion as it's a few years old and makes the maths easier and absorbs the $15 billion. Divide that by the 7.5 billion people and that is $933 dollars per person or a really natty leather jacket.

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True, Jeremy Hunt is a homeopathy believer. And one of Trump's advisers is against vaccination isn't he?

But hippies are, on the whole, fucking insufferable.


Except cool hippy chicks who don't wear bras and believe in free love. :hat:


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I did find a couple of quid down the back of the sofa so that could have been from the Vatican


MrsA just texted me to offer the opinion that had I done my research correctly, the net worth could ve as low as $8 billion. So you might owe some.

We found the ipad down the side of the sofa on Maundy Thursday. Has been missing since October...


I did maths:

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
Seems $15 billion too high. Net worth of Vatican looks to be closer to $8billion from various reports (Eg http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/24/news/po ... urch/), the population of earth or the maths of one divided by the other?

Or, we could say that it owns all of every FTSE 100 company. That'd be worth $2.2 trillion. Divide that and everyone gets $267 dollars.

For everyone to get, say, $100,000 dollars, that would mean them owning assests of £750trillion which is about 37 times larger than the GDP of the US.

Scaling back, if it had assests equal to the GDP of the US, everyonr would get the equivalent of a 17 year old BMW 3 series with 100,000 miles on the clock ($2,667).

So, between $1 and $2 most likely.


Oh. The original author has said it isn't known how much gold is held.

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
BBC reports estimates of 177,380 metric tonnes mined in history of world, so let's assume "All the gold". At $40,683 per kilo that's $6.97 trillion, or $7 trillion as it's a few years old and makes the maths easier and absorbs the $15 billion. Divide that by the 7.5 billion people and that is $933 dollars per person or a really natty leather jacket.


An expensive leather jacket, you say?

http://www.lewisleathers.com/productinf ... ode=jak-68

Needs to be in yellow, tbf.

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I did find a couple of quid down the back of the sofa so that could have been from the Vatican


MrsA just texted me to offer the opinion that had I done my research correctly, the net worth could ve as low as $8 billion. So you might owe some.

We found the ipad down the side of the sofa on Maundy Thursday. Has been missing since October...


I did maths:

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
Seems $15 billion too high. Net worth of Vatican looks to be closer to $8billion from various reports (Eg http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/24/news/po ... urch/), the population of earth or the maths of one divided by the other?

Or, we could say that it owns all of every FTSE 100 company. That'd be worth $2.2 trillion. Divide that and everyone gets $267 dollars.

For everyone to get, say, $100,000 dollars, that would mean them owning assests of £750trillion which is about 37 times larger than the GDP of the US.

Scaling back, if it had assests equal to the GDP of the US, everyonr would get the equivalent of a 17 year old BMW 3 series with 100,000 miles on the clock ($2,667).

So, between $1 and $2 most likely.


Oh. The original author has said it isn't known how much gold is held.

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
BBC reports estimates of 177,380 metric tonnes mined in history of world, so let's assume "All the gold". At $40,683 per kilo that's $6.97 trillion, or $7 trillion as it's a few years old and makes the maths easier and absorbs the $15 billion. Divide that by the 7.5 billion people and that is $933 dollars per person or a really natty leather jacket.


An expensive leather jacket, you say?

http://www.lewisleathers.com/productinf ... ode=jak-68

Needs to be in yellow, tbf.


Unsurprisingly, that is exactly the one I had in mind.

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That's a noice jacket. Why spoil it by making it yellow?

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That's a noice jacket. Why spoil it by making it yellow?


Yellow cows are rarer

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That Lewis Leathers jacket is really nice.

If dissolving the church nets me one of those, then I'm all for it. Where do I sign?

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That Lewis Leathers jacket is really nice.

If dissolving the church nets me one of those, then I'm all for it. Where do I sign?

That would only be if the Pope got hold of all the gold ever mined. As it is, the Pope-handout would get you one to two Twixes.

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I kinda have no idea what this thread is going on about.


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That Lewis Leathers jacket is really nice.

If dissolving the church nets me one of those, then I'm all for it. Where do I sign?

That would only be if the Pope got hold of all the gold ever mined. As it is, the Pope-handout would get you one to two Twixes.


I demand a refund

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I would totally wear that jacket in yellow.

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Don't you mean "like Uma Thurman"?

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MaliA wrote:
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MaliA wrote:

That's a noice jacket. Why spoil it by making it yellow?

If you look closely, their made from horse
Yellow cows are rarer

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MrChris wrote:
Don't you mean "like Uma Thurman"?


Or 'like Dirk Gently'

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Don't you mean "like Uma Thurman"?


Or 'like Dirk Gently'

No. the original jacket was more like Uma's. Mali wants to look like Uma.

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MrChris wrote:
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MrChris wrote:
Don't you mean "like Uma Thurman"?


Or 'like Dirk Gently'

No. the original jacket was more like Uma's. Mali wants to look like Uma.


Uma had a jumpsuit.

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MaliA wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Don't you mean "like Uma Thurman"?


Or 'like Dirk Gently'

No. the original jacket was more like Uma's. Mali wants to look like Uma.


Uma had a jumpsuit.


Objection!

It's not a jumpsuit. It's just matching trousers and jacket.


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Satsuma wrote:
MaliA wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
MrChris wrote:
Don't you mean "like Uma Thurman"?


Or 'like Dirk Gently'

No. the original jacket was more like Uma's. Mali wants to look like Uma.


Uma had a jumpsuit.


Objection!

It's not a jumpsuit. It's just matching trousers and jacket.


Sustained, i half watched it as the film was crap. More overrated than Shawshank and the Green Mile blended together in a juicepouch.

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