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I sometimes wonder if UKIP's candidate vetting program is quite up to the standard one would expect.


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The French are definitely going to vote in the far right nutjobs aren't they.


Given how my political predictions have gone over the past two years, I'm not going to comment. Perhaps if I put some money on Mme. Le Pen that might swing it?

Much depends on how inoffensive M. Macaron is to moderates on either side, but French politics is always very fractious. Really should read more French history and contemporary politics on it at some point.


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That UKIP candidate seems a bit... unfocused. Banning Golf Courses?


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That UKIP candidate seems a bit... unfocused. Banning Golf Courses?

I love the wildly varying scope. China and India are dragging us to WWIII! More Community Gardens!


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The French are definitely going to vote in the far right nutjobs aren't they.


Given how my political predictions have gone over the past two years, I'm not going to comment. Perhaps if I put some money on Mme. Le Pen that might swing it?

Much depends on how inoffensive M. Macaron is to moderates on either side, but French politics is always very fractious. Really should read more French history and contemporary politics on it at some point.


Anyone who doesn't vote for macarons is clearly a monster:

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I've given it a bit of thought over the weekend, and am still mulling over that although getting rid of Davies would be good, having WEP leader rocking up and standing at the potential cost of Green Party and Labour candidates is not the way to do it. I am a bit miffed as it seems to be a publicity minded move, and I don't think Shipley would benefit from this.

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I've given it a bit of thought over the weekend, and am still mulling over that although getting rid of Davies would be good, having WEP leader rocking up and standing at the potential cost of Green Party and Labour candidates is not the way to do it. I am a bit miffed as it seems to be a publicity minded move, and I don't think Shipley would benefit from this.


I disagree. Women's equality is an important issue and I think the publicity is important. Going after Davies seems a very sensible way of both highlighting your key issue and taking a mysogenistic twat out of the governing body.

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I've given it a bit of thought over the weekend, and am still mulling over that although getting rid of Davies would be good, having WEP leader rocking up and standing at the potential cost of Green Party and Labour candidates is not the way to do it. I am a bit miffed as it seems to be a publicity minded move, and I don't think Shipley would benefit from this.


I disagree. Women's equality is an important issue and I think the publicity is important. Going after Davies seems a very sensible way of both highlighting your key issue and taking a mysogenistic twat out of the governing body.


Yeah, but at the cost of local party candidates standing aside. Tell you what, if I cannot vote Greens, I'll vote WEP for you, here, and you vote howsoever you think I would there.

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It's worth voting WEP there just for the idea of how much seething Davies would do should they oust him!

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It's worth voting WEP there just for the idea of how much seething Davies would do should they oust him!


I thought about this over luncheon. I think that despite my concerns, WEP is probably the best option to vote for. Mainly driven by Cras and his reasonings. But they are not where I want the to be on Brexit.

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Voting for a minor or young (or minor and young) party helps push them above the threshold so they get their deposit back for use in the next campaign. It also makes the more established parties aware of an issue and demographic they are failing to appeal to and, one hopes, make some shift to attract these voters. The classic example is the sudden interest in environmental issues among the major parties after the Greens came out of nowhere in the 1989 Euros. Here endeth the lesson.


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By which I mean, what a bloody brilliant post above. Just, yes.

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Aw, thanks.

I seem to be channeling my 17 year old A-level politics self there . But I've never felt that voting for a minor one is a complete waste of time. Besides, it's always highly amusing when one of the majors falls behind the Monster Raving Loonies.


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Totally non-scientific TV Poll on "This Morning" reveals grass roots daytime TV support for Jezza C

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That vast majority of my facebook bubble (mostly mums if that makes any difference) are very pro-JC.

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I don't see what's surprising about Corbyn being popular. He's not turned out to be a particularly effective leader of the party but he's a decent, principled man and I can very much understand his appeal as a politician. (His voting record on women's issues in parliament, for example, is far better than May's.)

If you can look beyond much of the media's hatred for him, and actually see the man himself and the policies of his party - there's a lot to like.

I'd vote Labour in the GE if, y'know, I could vote in it.

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Political propaganda works by programming intellectually lazy people with very simple tropes that they can rote learn and regurgitate instead of doing the hard work of actually researching and thinking about the issues for themselves.

Two of the most ubiquitous of these glib political propaganda tropes are the "Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable" one and the "Theresa May is a strong leader".

I've already written an article ripping the ludicrously counterfactual right-wing "Theresa May is a strong leader" trope to shreds (see here) and this article exists to confront the "Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable" one.


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(His voting record on women's issues in parliament, for example, is far better than May's.)

Myptopian law says he's wrong, though.

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'Corbyn can't win' should actually be a plus point. Vote in a load of labour candidates to replace horrible Tories and you don't run the risk of ending up with JC running the country. Win-win.

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The problem is that people like Corbyn's policies (not all people, not all policies, but on the whole), but they just don't think of him as a decent leader. He can be a nice chap, but the fear is that doesn't cut the mustard when you need to be the Prime Minister.

He is often indecisive (see Brexit, Trident, most policies), fails to oppose damaging government policies (see Brexit), is shambolic in terms of organisation (see everything), isn't even respected within his own party (see multiple coups) and appears to be about to take Labour into their worst electoral result since they became a mainstream party (see polls).

A lot of people want a strong opposition with Labour ideals, or a strong opposition to the Tory government. It appears that Corbyn is incapable of delivering either. Yes, some of that is due to the media, but, well, politics isn't fair.

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This whole "Is gay sex a sin in Farron's eyes" is all a bit of a pain as he should have said "The bible talks about a circle with a diametre of 10 cubits and a circumference of thirty, so we shouldn't take everything it says as totally true, and in this case, I'd put gay sex in the box with pi having a value of three" but this is why i probably don't do PR because it'd probably offend everyone.

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http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/ju ... our-voters

Really good read, that.

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This whole "Is gay sex a sin in Farron's eyes" is all a bit of a pain as he should have said "The bible talks about a circle with a diametre of 10 cubits and a circumference of thirty, so we shouldn't take everything it says as totally true, and in this case, I'd put gay sex in the box with pi having a value of three" but this is why i probably don't do PR because it'd probably offend everyone.


I don' think Mr Farron is even in a position to decide what's a sin. He doesn't even have 12 MPs.

For the benefit of the Twitter mob hounding him on this, I have some stones in my garden they are welcome to have first dibs at.


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http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/june2017/2017/04/jeremy-corbyn-has-attracted-socialism-fans-not-labour-voters

Really good read, that.


Aye. Sums up my position, even down to referring back to 'The Road to Wigan Pier'.

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The Tories have the punctuation nerd vote in the bag:

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I was only going to ask whether the hon. Member for Wolverhampton South West (Rob Marris) agreed with me that the semi-colon is a very fine thing and that it should be used more often.

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I agree; the hon. Gentleman is an authority on the matter and on a number of other matters relating to language and syntax.



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Whilst looking for something else I just came across a short Westminster Hall debate on homeopathy and the NHS held at the end of March that I hadn't noticed. I say 'debate', but it's more like a rant by David Tredinnick and I gave up trying to count the number of fallacies he employs to justify the woo.


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Election fraud in Bradford rears its head again

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Complaints about sharp practice in Bradford in recent years are hugely varied, running the gamut from playground-style jostling between parties on the campaign trail to postal vote fraud.

There have been claims of anonymous leaflets being dropped through letterboxes in the dead of night, making personal attacks on candidates.

There are often complaints of large groups of political activists gathering outside polling stations on election day, which Ms England acknowledged was “not helpful” behaviour.

“I have the power to move them on - and we do,” she says.

Very occasionally, there are allegations of violence.

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Whilst looking for something else I just came across a short Westminster Hall debate on homeopathy and the NHS held at the end of March that I hadn't noticed. I say 'debate', but it's more like a rant by David Tredinnick and I gave up trying to count the number of fallacies he employs to justify the woo.



Crikey.

One of MrsA's friends is big into "Micriwaves cause cancer", "energetic vibration of mango bought on farm greater than commercial mango" and all that shit which I just cannot be arsed with arguing with. It really grates, but it'd upset MrsA if I commented, so there's a pax romana in place. If I ever want one of my kids to die of a perfectly preventable disease, though, I know who to ask.

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Whilst looking for something else I just came across a short Westminster Hall debate on homeopathy and the NHS held at the end of March that I hadn't noticed. I say 'debate', but it's more like a rant by David Tredinnick and I gave up trying to count the number of fallacies he employs to justify the woo.



Crikey.

One of MrsA's friends is big into "Micriwaves cause cancer", "energetic vibration of mango bought on farm greater than commercial mango" and all that shit which I just cannot be arsed with arguing with. It really grates, but it'd upset MrsA if I commented, so there's a pax romana in place. If I ever want one of my kids to die of a perfectly preventable disease, though, I know who to ask.

I'm sure I posted on here about the idiot now-ex friend of ours who got bladder cancer and tried curing it by drinking her own piss. Her cancer doctor basically sacked her and said "look there's no point me wasting appointments on you if you're just going to ignore everything I say". Who, by weird coincidence, was also the surgeon who did Ruth's op.

She's also the one who set up a free school with her hippy friends, none of whose kids have had immunisations. Funnily enough, they were ground zero for a whooping cough outbreak in Stroud. Having seen babies in hospital with whooping cough, this is one of the more irresponsible things you can do to put other people's kids at risk. Hence her now being an ex friend ( she didn't die, Ruth spoke to her dad, who put pressure on her to have an actual bloody operation and chemo so she didn't die and leave her daughter parentless, and she's now cancer free)

God I fucking hate hippies.

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I don't see what's surprising about Corbyn being popular. He's not turned out to be a particularly effective leader of the party but he's a decent, principled man and I can very much understand his appeal as a politician. (His voting record on women's issues in parliament, for example, is far better than May's.)

If you can look beyond much of the media's hatred for him, and actually see the man himself and the policies of his party - there's a lot to like.


I'm getting really fed up of this "people just need to stop believing the media" bullshit that is thrown at everyone that questions Corbyn.

I am sure that he is a lovely chap and the fact that he isn't a dick with his expenses, votes on women's issues etc does give him "voter appeal" but you said it yourself: he's not turned out to be a particularly effective leader.

THAT'S that problem, not the media backlash, not the "propaganda".

I would love nothing more than to vote a genuinely nice guy in but what's the point if he's not going to fucking achieve anything?

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God I fucking hate hippies.


Anti-vax homeopathic bullshit is not exclusive to hippies.

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True, Jeremy Hunt is a homeopathy believer. And one of Trump's advisers is against vaccination isn't he?

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The definition of hippy has just been broadened, is all.

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The definition of hippy has just been broadened, is all.

Quite. Trump is a fucking hippy.

Actually, it seems to be a sort of brainless middleclass twatbag on the whole. There's definitely a correlation between anti-vaxxers and quinoa intake.

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The definition of hippy has just been broadened, is all.

Quite. Trump is a fucking hippy.

Actually, it seems to be a sort of brainless middleclass twatbag on the whole. There's definitely a correlation between anti-vaxxers and quinoa intake.


Actually, I think you'll find it is called Kee-Nah

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It's not a hard mental leap to make from being (usually rightly) outraged by the behaviour of megaglobal sinister corporations to decide that big pharma is just after extracting as much money from your corpse as possible.


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It's not a hard mental leap to make from being (usually rightly) outraged by the behaviour of megaglobal sinister corporations to decide that big pharma is just after extracting as much money from your corpse as possible.


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A quick google suggests that the RC chirch is worth about $15billion. There are about 7.5 billion on the planet, so this guy's abundant wealth for all is $2.

Given this, the rest might not be legit.

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I think Pluto needs to work on his anger issues and move on from the whole planet thing.


Nah, he's annoyed as Goofy gets to wear clothes and not sleep in a kennel.

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I did find a couple of quid down the back of the sofa so that could have been from the Vatican

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Christ Mali, learn to copy and paste, man!


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It's text, it doesn't need (fucking mahoosive) screenshots.

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