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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:24 
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Crucially, because dishi was worried about himself, not the sins she was committing in his and our name.

More of the same from the noob I expect.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:08 
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Cameron is the new Foreign secretary!

I think that means he has to be sworn in as a Lord?

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Cameron is the new Foreign secretary!

I think that means he has to be sworn in as a Lord?


No.

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Cameron is the new Foreign secretary!

I think that means he has to be sworn in as a Lord?


No.


Oh, apparently he does.

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He doesn't have to be. But he will be.


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Cost of doing business

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That's a surprise comeback. Did he finally tire of hiding of shame in his shepherd's hut in the Cotswolds?


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Ah, it's ministerial code thing.

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Crucially, because dishi was worried about himself, not the sins she was committing in his and our name.

More of the same from the noob I expect.


I don't really care why she's gone, I'm just glad that she has.


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Crucially, because dishi was worried about himself, not the sins she was committing in his and our name.

More of the same from the noob I expect.


I don't really care why she's gone, I'm just glad that she has.


Fucking brilliant! She kept the receipts!

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Rwanda deportation is not lawful.

Hahahahahahaha!

Sue Ellen must be even more livid now.


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4-45pm presser? Resignation? GE? It's the hope that kills you.

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Remember when Theresa May would step outside Downing Street to tell us to all fuck off?

Halcyon days.


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4-45pm presser? Resignation? GE? It's the hope that kills you.



My guess is that it's about the Rwanda decision, and how he's still going to stop the boats and maybe about planning to leave the ECHR

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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4-45pm presser? Resignation? GE? It's the hope that kills you.



My guess is that it's about the Rwanda decision, and how he's still going to stop the boats and maybe about planning to leave the ECHR


Sur, why not replace an unworkable idea with one even more so?

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If 30p Lee is seriously suggesting we should ignore laws we disagree with, I hope those fence around Diana's island are pretty strong.


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It's a good job Rwanda doesn't know how desperate the UK government is to get a deal with them and will literally do anything. that'd be a terrible place to start negotiating.

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I'm fairly comfortable with the idea of a government legislating to remove obstacles that have arisen from a court decision. The courts are saying "as it stands, the rules are this, and we don't think what you're doing is in line" so changing the rules is fine, and probably what governments should do to achieve legislative aims.

However, legislating that black is white and declaring it the truth is, indeed, batshit, to steal the words of a fellow Blood Angels player.

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An interesting read on the Rwanda ideas that are being floated around and one of the major limitations they will hit :

https://iandunt.substack.com/p/rwanda-t ... medium=web


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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If Sunak really did cancel meeting the Greek PM because he didn't want to be asked about the Elgin Marbles he really is dimmer than I feared.

I mean, it's like when ministers meet rulers of nasty regimes and say they'll raise human rights concerns. It probably means nothing more than just saying "human rights? ok, let's move on".

Of course, now Starmer's talked about some form of loan agreement nowadays I half-expect him to roll back on that one too.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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What's the argument for not just fucking giving them back. Surely it's not worth this sort of hassle for a few people to look at some statues.


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What's the argument for not just fucking giving them back. Surely it's not worth this sort of hassle for a few people to look at some statues.

We nicked them, fair and square. If they want them back, they can take it up with the Ottoman Empire


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Reading the Wiki page for the Elgin Marbles has led me to this...

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The Erechtheion was used as a munitions store by the Ottomans during the Greek War of Independence[68] (1821–1833) which ended the 355-year Ottoman rule of Athens. The Acropolis was besieged twice during the war, first by the Greeks in 1821–22 and then by the Ottoman forces in 1826–27. During the first siege the besieged Ottoman forces attempted to melt the lead in the columns to cast bullets, even prompting the Greeks to offer their own bullets to the Ottomans in order to minimize damage.[69]

Which is fascinating


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Seems to me like the Greek PM might be a handy person to have on-side if you're making "Stopping the Boats" a big deal, as he's dealing with a much much much larger "small boat" issue himself. Obviously not, though.


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What's the argument for not just fucking giving them back. Surely it's not worth this sort of hassle for a few people to look at some statues.

Because everyone one else will want their stuff back.

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What's the argument for not just fucking giving them back. Surely it's not worth this sort of hassle for a few people to look at some statues.

Because everyone one else will want their stuff back.


Indeed. Elgin saved them from the Turks who where destroying them, sold them to Britain, who put them in a museum.
Modern Greece now wants them, as they used to be on land that they now occupy.

Do they have a right to them? Possibly, possibly not, could be argued either way. But what it would do is open up every museum everywhere for similar claims.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Robert Jenrick has resigned as immigration minister, on the grounds that the Rwanda bill wasn't evil enough.

Don't want to wish my life away but could we please skip to the election and get rid of these useless, cretinous, morons?


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Being right-wing really is an intellectual vacuum, and one of the most irritating of their remaining tactics is this Uber-redefinition of words. They've always done it - tedious distractions on how 'altruism' doesn't exist because they only understand helping in return for something - but this attempt to get to a meaning of 'sovereignty'='total ability to do whatever we want because we think states always could after Westphalia', ignoring the fact that every treaty and trade deal reduces sovereignty because it's complicated, is incredibly wearing. And is going to be hard to educate away.


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They've set up a Newtons cradle, presumably accidentally - "the boats" distract from the climate privateering, the climate privateering distracts from "the boats".

I wish I could just turn off the new tab in Chrome with all the recommended bilge and anger but it does also regularly throw up genuinely useful, interesting things that I wouldn't see otherwise.


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One Tory MP said: ‘When Farage comes back he’s going to be all over the airwaves, and he’s going to have us in his sights.’

Another said: ‘Reform are going to kill us, so we have to buy Farage off. The plan is we get him into the Lords, give him some brief like we did with Cameron – maybe even home secretary – then go to the country with the dream team.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... itics-live

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Feel myself zooming in several times on the words "the dream team".

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Tory resigns as MP over vote to issue new oil and gas licences.

Out of the spirit of generosity, I feel I have to applaud anyone who finally does the right thing (in a different life, I would have made an excellent clergyman) but can't we just get rid of the lot now rather than another few months of this?


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Brilliant Stephen Collins cartoon in this month's Prospect:

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Cat in the Hat to come back?

Galloway might stand in Manchester


Resurfaces in Rochdale for a few months

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Utter woke nonsense.


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