Political Banter and Debate Thread

DBSnappa · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:56

BikNorton wrote:

Bet it flew anyway just so they can spin it as the first successful flight under the policy.

Isn’t it bringing refugees back? Isn’t that the unpublicised part of the deal?

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 4706

The by-elections went well, I see.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:55

Great to wake up to some good news for a change.

NervousPete · **Posted:** Fri Jun 24, 2022 16:49

Lovely news. I'm going to have an extra nice pint tonight.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jun 24, 2022 17:03

Always worth celebrating the small victories.

Unfortunately you'll need a second, harder, drink if you read the international pages...

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 9731

I'll spoiler my ongoing whimsy.

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

All this hopping over to Ukraine when the next fire happens isn't just deflection is it; he's hoping it *does* drag on for years. Along with his baffling contortions that every gut-punch is actually the people telling him to carry on he's gearing up for "can't change prime minister when our friends in Europe need us most" and a "delayed" general election. He's got a year now the no-confidence vote failed.

Ukrainia has *always* been at war with Russasia.

Kern · **Posted:** Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:40

Another day, another Tory caught doing things he shouldn't. What next? Surprise cameo from a citrus fruit?

DBSnappa · **Posted:** Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:28

Lol. It’s been a while since auto erotic asphyxiation was a choke

MaliA · **Posted:** Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:46

Can't beat a good stranglewank

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Jul 05, 2022 14:12

With all the crap around that Tory groper (a worse offence then tractor porn guy, who at least left the House) and ministers humiliating themselves as they get more and more entangled in Johnson's lies, I am trying to resist the urge to write to my MP asking if she thinks Johnson's changed his behaviour since she supported him in the confidence vote.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Jul 05, 2022 18:08

Javid's quit. Who's next?

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Jul 05, 2022 18:08

Giphy "popcorn":
https://media1.giphy.com/media/NipFetnQOuKhW/giphy-loop.mp4

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Jul 05, 2022 18:13

Sunak! Back to spend more time with his billions.

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 4706

Kern wrote:

Javid's quit. Who's next?

It’s the right thing to do from an ethical point of view.
It’s also a good time to distance yourself politically from the rapidly sinking buffoon, and line up a leadership bid.

I’ll let the audience decide which is foremost.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Jul 05, 2022 18:15

Might be tempting fate but I think the cava might need chilling...

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 4706

There goes Rishi

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Jul 05, 2022 18:30

Imagine how shocked they must have felt today to discover that Johnson is an utter shit after spending all those years of thinking he was the personification of virtue itself.

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 4706

Kern wrote:

Imagine how shocked they must have felt today to discover that Johnson is an utter shit after spending all those years of thinking he was the personification of virtue itself.

Indeed. When the headline is that they lost confidence in him...
When exactly did they *have* confidence?

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13274

Made me chuckle.

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NervousPete · **Posted:** Tue Jul 05, 2022 19:10

Bravo Adam Kay. Genuine belly laugh.

Well this is a fun thing to see me through the remaining days of my 2nd Covid-Infected self-isolation. Thanks Conservatives! I have a bottle of Spanish wine, a nice Bobal red that's particularly good - but maybe I should save that for company. At the least I've a few decent stouts and some Talisker whiskey.

NervousPete · **Posted:** Tue Jul 05, 2022 19:29

Nadine Dorries one hundred percent behind Boris. I'm not sure what percent-proof she'll be during her later interviews.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Jul 05, 2022 19:51

Truss is probably already deciding on curtains.

Kern · **Posted:** Tue Jul 05, 2022 20:29

Some Berkshire wheatfields are going to get trashed tonight.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 24661

Kern wrote:

Some Berkshire wheatfields are going to get trashed tonight.

NervousPete · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:20

Another two resignations in the last five minutes. It's kind of like watching the results come in on election night, only in reverse.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:26

Really enjoying the tension and anticipation with every page refresh.

My poor F5 key might disagree.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:26

Be a few more before noon I reckon

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:27

And yes, I know that until the Tories are safely shunted onto the opposition benches (preferably in the corner where the fruitcakes sit), the next PM is likely to be just as objectionable but in different ways, it's still best for the country that Johnson goes.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:31

I wonder if Liz is hastily rearranging her diary?

Although, if I were her, I'd get Charlie to do the necessary instead.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:36

I keep on misreading the groping MP's name as "Pinochet" which is troubling.

Also, I'm starting to think that part of the issue here is that people in the circles these guys move in consider male sexual assault as an extension of locker-room rough housing rather than a serious offence.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16358

They're tories, I don't think they really give a shit about anything that doesn't befall them. The only reason the ones who have gone picked this thing to resign over after everything that's gone down is that they reckon that they can say they had nothing to do with it.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 37794

Kier just said Arse! Shocking

NervousPete · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:15

Shocked gasps from chamber, faint muted cry of "Fuckin' 'ell!" in background heard again.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 13:04

Starmer got the tone exactly right today. Johnson was even more dreadful than normal, just rattling through his standard repertoire regardless of the question.

The chant of "bye bye Boris" as he left after Javid's statement was quite charming, and the kind of thing he'll be seething about.

NervousPete · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 14:38

Another five. Has there ever actually been a PM who has lost a vote of no confidence, or has every one up to now always seen the writing on the wall having been damaged in a previous one?

NervousPete · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 14:45

Bonus points if I get to see live on the Beeb Gove and Fox desperately pull Johnson by the feet out of No. 10 as he scrabbles to dig his fingers into the doorframe yelling, "Nyeaaaaaaghwon'tgo!!!!"

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 14:45

NervousPete wrote:

Another five. Has there ever actually been a PM who has lost a vote of no confidence, or has every one up to now always seen the writing on the wall having been damaged in a previous one?

They usually jump, although often after being told the jig is up anyhow. Remember Thatcher won the first round, but not by enough under the rules at the time.

I've seen several dramatizations of the downfall of Thatcher on both stage and screen, but none have quite captured the drama of her cabinet telling her one-by-one that it's time to go.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 14:48

NervousPete wrote:

Bonus points if I get to see live on the Beeb Gove and Fox desperately pull Johnson by the feet out of No. 10 as he scrabbles to dig his fingers into the doorframe yelling, "Nyeaaaaaaghwon'tgo!!!!"

He'll be threatening to throw a shoe over the roof of Downing Street.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 14:52

Kern wrote:

NervousPete wrote:

Bonus points if I get to see live on the Beeb Gove and Fox desperately pull Johnson by the feet out of No. 10 as he scrabbles to dig his fingers into the doorframe yelling, "Nyeaaaaaaghwon'tgo!!!!"

He'll be threatening to throw a shoe over the roof of Downing Street.

Hahha superb

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 14:54

I'm now trying to work out when the best time to resign is. Setting the ball rolling is risky, because people might not follow you, but leaving it until late makes it look like you weren't too bothered and just jumped onto the bandwagon.

Malc · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 14:55

Before there is a vote of no confidence in him there has to be a change to the rules of the 1922 committee, I think if that vote happens, he'll deselect all the people that haven't backed him and then call an election.

Malc · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 14:58

Kern wrote:

I'm now trying to work out when the best time to resign is. Setting the ball rolling is risky, because people might not follow you, but leaving it until late makes it look like you weren't too bothered and just jumped onto the bandwagon.

I think Rishi Sunak being 2nd helped there, he's essentially the second most powerful person in the cabinet. So anytime yesterday would have been the best time. Actually the best time was probably when Jo Johnson resigned.

NervousPete · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 14:59

Kern wrote:

I'm now trying to work out when the best time to resign is. Setting the ball rolling is risky, because people might not follow you, but leaving it until late makes it look like you weren't too bothered and just jumped onto the bandwagon.

I would like to be the first to crowdfund this boardgame you are clearly mulling.

Malc · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 15:18

Gove's Going to go?

NervousPete · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 15:20

Tobias Ellwood rightly drawing blood in his aggressive questioning of Boris on defence cuts.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 15:22

Malc wrote:

Gove's Gone

A fun call-back to the first season.

Malc · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 15:22

AH No, Gove's threatened to go if Johnson does not

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 15:30

NervousPete wrote:

Tobias Ellwood rightly drawing blood in his aggressive questioning of Boris on defence cuts.

Yes, he's really not a fan of Johnson. He's also the one who broke the taboo on Brexit recently too.

NervousPete · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 15:37

Ouch, is the liaison committee usually this rough with him, or is he usually better at brushing off their concerns? Because on every matter they're basically shining a spotlight on his rambling handwaving incompetence.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2022 15:41

It was a Blair-era initiative. Under previous PMs it was pretty congenial if tense at times, and a lot more in-depth than PMQs. But his predecessors would do their homework and the chairs appreciated that.

Sounds like they've got him on the Lebedev affair.

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