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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 17:03 
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Realistically, the next election is going to be determined by Coronavirus.
If deaths are kept under 20k, the government comes good on all the wage subsidies that they've promised, and there's no large scale public disorder I can't see them losing power for a good while.


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Haha. If we get through coronavirus in one piece there's still Brexit to look forward to. Everything's getting fucked up one way or another.


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Haha. If we get through coronavirus in one piece there's still Brexit to look forward to. Everything's getting fucked up one way or another.


Yes, but when it’s a shitshow, it’s not the fault of Brexit, but the EU, remoaners *and* the virus.

They won’t accept any liability.


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The new shadow cabinet looks good.

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I am liking the new shadow cabinet. (From graun)

Here’s the full list:

· Keir Starmer, Leader of the Opposition

· Angela Rayner, Deputy Leader and Chair of the Labour party

· Anneliese Dodds, Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer

· Lisa Nandy, Shadow Foreign Secretary

· Nick Thomas-Symonds, Shadow Home Secretary

· Rachel Reeves, Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster

· David Lammy, Shadow Justice Secretary

· John Healey, Shadow Defence Secretary

· Ed Miliband, Shadow Business, Energy and Industrial Secretary

· Emily Thornberry, Shadow International Trade Secretary

· Jonathan Reynolds, Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary

· Jonathan Ashworth, Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

· Rebecca Long-Bailey, Shadow Education Secretary

· Jo Stevens, Shadow Digital, Culture, Media and Sport

· Bridget Phillipson, Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury

· Luke Pollard, Shadow Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Secretary

· Steve Reed, Shadow Communities and Local Government Secretary

· Thangam Debbonaire, Shadow Housing Secretary

· Jim McMahon, Shadow Transport Secretary

· Preet Kaur Gill, Shadow International Development Secretary

· Louise Haigh, Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary (interim)

· Ian Murray, Shadow Scotland Secretary

· Nia Griffith, Shadow Wales Secretary

· Marsha de Cordova, Shadow Women and Equalities Secretary

· Andy McDonald, Shadow Employment Rights and Protections Secretary

· Rosena Allin-Khan, Shadow Minister for Mental Health

· Cat Smith, Shadow Minister for Young People and Voter Engagement

· Lord Falconer, Shadow Attorney General

· Valerie Vaz, Shadow Leader of the House

· Nick Brown, Opposition Chief Whip

· Baroness Smith, Shadow Leader of the Lords

· Lord McAvoy, Lords’ Opposition Chief Whip

Updated at 3.03pm BST

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Let’s see how things go. Can’t be any worse than the last 10 years

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Let’s see how things go. Can’t be any worse than the last 10 years


I mean, we’ve been saying “It can’t be worse than last year” for quite some time now and keep on getting proven wrong.

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Remember, in an alternative universe we'd be into the final month of chaos with Ed Miliband.


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Remember, in an alternative universe we'd be into the final month of chaos with Ed Miliband.

As someone said on Twitter - right now, we have chaos and Ed Milliband. They're just not causally related.


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Curiosity wrote:
Mr Chonks wrote:
Let’s see how things go. Can’t be any worse than the last 10 years


I mean, we’ve been saying “It can’t be worse than last year” for quite some time now and keep on getting proven wrong.


And not just in relation to the Labour party.

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https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... orbyn-says

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“We went into the general election in 2017 when they’d all written us off, and were astonished at how close we got to winning,” Corbyn said. “We were within a whisker of winning that general election.”

He went onto suggest that events the previous year - which saw the vast majority of his shadow cabinet resign, 172 MPs pass a motion of no confidence in his leadership and Owen Smith launch an ill-fated leadership bid – had been a block on electoral success for Labour.

“And had the party been more united than we had been in 2016, I’m absolutely confident we could have won that general election, because it was all absolutely going our way and our manifesto was very much in tune with the way people were feeling.”


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The issue with 2017 was the 12 Tory gains in Scotland against the SNP helped keep May in power. The collapse of Labour as a viable opposition party up there is going to be a tough one for Starmer to resolve.


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Mr Chonks wrote:
Let’s see how things go. Can’t be any worse than the last 10 years

I was wrong. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ked-report

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Let’s see how things go. Can’t be any worse than the last 10 years

I was wrong. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ked-report


Oh deary dear.

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At least all this is happening during the emergency. In normal times this would have completely overshadowed Starmer's critical first appearance at PMQs.


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Let’s see how things go. Can’t be any worse than the last 10 years

I was wrong. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ked-report

So to summarise, the nasty Blairites blocked attempts to clean up the anti-semitisim, which was in any event all made up by the Blairites to damage Corbyn?


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Let’s see how things go. Can’t be any worse than the last 10 years

I was wrong. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ked-report

So to summarise, the nasty Blairites blocked attempts to clean up the anti-semitisim, which was in any event all made up by the Blairites to damage Corbyn?

You couldn’t make it up. This would have been thrown out by Ianucci at the planning stage.

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It's good that Parliament is sitting again, in that mix of modern and Victorian Westminster is so fond of. Shame they aren't using the opportunity to move out of the Palace and immediately begin the urgent restoration works. But at least some scrutiny can now take place.


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Watched the first Starmer v Johnson PMQs. Very tight questioning that Johnson visibly struggled to answer or deflect. The Labour leader was certainly helped by the unusual subdued atmosphere and empty chamber as Johnson couldn't play up to his party for support. He really should comb his hair too - he's the PM in the middle of a pandemic for pete's sake. Feels good to have a proper opposition back.


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It's good that Parliament is sitting again, in that mix of modern and Victorian Westminster is so fond of. Shame they aren't using the opportunity to move out of the Palace and immediately begin the urgent restoration works. But at least some scrutiny can now take place.

They should just knock it down or turn it into a hotel or a museum or whatever, leave all that shite for the tourists. Spend half as much somewhere more central and build something more suited to the task of running a modern country. Our parliament is a fucking embarassment.


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Why are so many political commentators (and other people, tbh) on the twitters referring to Starmer as "forensic" so much? Seems like a really odd buzzword to be throwing around.

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I'm looking forward to Hugh Grant playing Cummings in the inevitable TV special.


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I'm looking forward to Hugh Grant playing Cummings in the inevitable TV special.

He was already played by Benedict Cumberbatch.


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Cummings will announce to the public that he tried but we were found wanting so he is going back to his home planet where his talents will be appreciated.


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Watching Cummings. I have been worried sick about my family and friends throughout this whole time. I now realise I should have just visited and stayed with them and travelled for recreation because the laws didn't actually matter and my judgement was more important all along. Fuck this shit.


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I'm genuinely angry at all of this.


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"I panicked. I fucked up." That's all he had to say.


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Kern wrote:
"I panicked. I fucked up." That's all he had to say.


Yes, had Boris come out with “I’ve spoken to him and he understands how this was a bit of poor judgement when concerned for his family” this would have been much less of a story.

I also notice he says that he went home to see his wife who was unwell with Coronavirus symptoms, then returned to work...


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Rare I agree with Owen Jones, but he is bang on here

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Rare I agree with Owen Jones, but he is bang on here

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ssion=true


Yes. And so many times this:

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Hiding lies behind big lies, hiding big lies behind bigger lies

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/04/10/coro ... alisation/

I’ve had a lot of similar thoughts to those brought up in that article, but one I’ve repeatedly given but not seen mentioned before is the repeated use of the word ‘draconian’ to describe the protective measures brought in. They seeded the notion from the very start that the measures they critically delayed putting g in place, costing thousands of lives, were somehow overly harsh and unnecessary, an infringement on freedom, rather than a set of rules put in place to save lives and protect. They (the Tories and their media) made clear from the start that they did not support nor believe in the measures they put in place (as evidenced by the special advisor’s Cummings and Goings), and I think the repeated labelling of restrictions as draconian was one of the initial set-ups for that.

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Our restrictions were pretty tame compared to several mainland European countries.


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The Commons have decided that queuing for hours and risking the spread of the virus is still better than working remotely. It's what my MP doesn't say in this tweet that makes it so satisfying:

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There’s a queue for the lift. If I’ve got corona and I get into a lift and cough without a mask shedding some virus, will it be gone by the time the next person gets into the lift?


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There’s a queue for the lift. If I’ve got corona and I get into a lift and cough without a mask shedding some virus, will it be gone by the time the next person gets into the lift?

If the next person gets in three days later, sure.

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Where do you think this parliamentary lift is going, the Karman Line?


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There’s a queue for the lift. If I’ve got corona and I get into a lift and cough without a mask shedding some virus, will it be gone by the time the next person gets into the lift?

Lifts and toilets are the hardest things to work around with the whole "return to the office" stuff.

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