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Since when has professional implied knowledge or competence, let alone expertees ;)

For example, i suspect most of here could be described as professionals...


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And yet despite some time passing, Mrs Trump hasn't issued any denials that it looks like a small toad.

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Just walked around Albert Dock. Never seen so many people looking uncomfortable in suits.

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Just walked around Albert Dock. Never seen so many people looking uncomfortable in suits.

Are they the wrong size or just made from itchy cloth?

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... arina-hyde

Glorious stuff from Marina Hyde, even by her sky-high standards.


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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/03/theresa-may-tory-conference-boris-johnson-marina-hyde

Glorious stuff from Marina Hyde, even by her sky-high standards.


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Theresa May, who mostly resembles a Quentin Blake drawing of an unravelling postmistress


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From the BBC

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A 2012 report by the British Automatic Fire Sprinkler Association (BAFSA) concluded that fire sprinklers could be retrofitted with tenants in place at a cost of about £1,150 a flat. Since the 24-storey Grenfell Tower contained 120 flats, it works out at £138,000. Significantly less than the £2.6m spent on the cladding and replacement windows which were largely done for cosmetic reasons.


Currently on the iPlayer is a great programme called 'The fires that foretold Grenfell', I watched it last night.

It focuses on five fires, (including the Summerland disaster on the Isle of Man, and includes some harrowing footage of the inferno in which 50 people died), all of which foretold what would go on to happen at Grenfell.

My blood was boiling by the end of it, time and time again recommendations were made to prevent tragedies occurring in the future, but they were only ever 'recommendations' as making it compulsory would cost too much money and it's only poor people burning to death.

They'd spend money making the towers look nicer for rich people driving past, but not to retrofit sprinklers to, y'know, stop people burning to death in a fire.

A recommended watch.

NOTE - Labour were just as fucking useless in government as the Tories.

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fucking useless [...] government

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Here is a bit of what I wrote to my MP the other day expressing this:

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.... this is because I feel that the government should act, in this instance, as a guiding hand for the betterment of the country rather than the current trend to attempt to abdicate this responsibility on grounds of "the will of the the people", or "respect the result of the referendum".... There have been no advantages described and how the UK might obtain them that stand up to scrutiny, and handwaving "will of the people; respect the result" is simply not good enough.


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David Cameron wants to make a comeback. We know what'll happen. He'll appear on stage, try out some new stuff, then the crowd will start demanding he just plays the greatest hits.


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David Cameron wants to make a comeback. We know what'll happen. He'll appear on stage, try out some new stuff, then the crowd will start demanding he just plays the greatest hits.

Luckily, his greatest hit was "getting the fuck off the stage"


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Kind of amazing that shagging a pig is the least embarrassing aspect of his legacy.


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Anthony Eden and Lord North must be kicking themselves for not having the foresight to fool around with farm animals.


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https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/ ... -backfires

I am not surprised.

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Local council elections here on Thursday, I expect I'll be voting green for the first time in my life, primarily because her pamphlet was basically "I live here and I give a shit". All the others were all about the party and how well supported they were by the MP etc...


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I’d quite happily vote Green in the local elections if they had put up someone that wasn’t a children’s poet.


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I’d quite happily vote Green in the local elections if they had put up someone that wasn’t a children’s poet.


Ours is a nurse who works full time in the local hospital.


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I’d quite happily vote Green in the local elections if they had put up someone that wasn’t a children’s poet.


Ours is a nurse who works full time in the local hospital.


Yep, that would do nicely.


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Why is a nurse a better politition than a writer?

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I am not surprised.


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The research reveals it is predominantly better-off families who are benefiting from the extra £1bn a year set aside by the government to fund free childcare. While the majority (58%) of families who earn £45,000 or more have taken up the offer, just a quarter (26%) of those earning under £20,000 have done so, suggesting childcare remains unaffordable for many low-income parents.


Who'd have thought it?

My wife gave up work to look after our granddaughter from when my daughter-in-law returned to work, and trained as a child minder to bring some money in. My son and his wife would have really struggled to pay for child care. Even now, eight years later, my wife still collects our granddaughter from school four days per week. Even if they could afford child care, their erratic end-of-day and travel times mean they'd be hard pressed to find child care as flexible as us, and I imagine that's a similar situation for a lot of working parents.

Mrs. W and I have lost thousands in income during this time. We don't begrudge it because we have s superb relationship with our granddaughter, but it's put quite a strain on us financially and that's not been helped by her retirement pension qualifying age going from 60 to 67 at a stroke.

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Why is a nurse a better politition than a writer?


Because a nurse can do things to your body that a writer can only write about. And she wears a uniform. (Oooops, sexist assumption that a nurse will be female. Apologies.)

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Are they quitting their job to become a councillor or do it on top of a full-time job?

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Are they quitting their job to become a councillor or do it on top of a full-time job?


Generally it is done on top of a job, I think.

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My Dad (labour councillor) started off working and being a councillor at the same time, but ended up retiring and now spends more time doing Counsellor stuff.


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Ever keen to show their relevance and deal with the most important issues facing the country, the House of Lords debated distestablishing the Church of England yesterday.

The good news is that the government have done more work on this than they did before activating Article 50:

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Lord Berkeley:

To ask Her Majesty’s Government what assessment they have made of the case for the disestablishment of the Church of England.

Lord Young of Cookham (Con):

My Lords, none.


They also finished up with a joke, too:

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Lord Elystan-Morgan (CB):

My Lords, does the Minister submit to the canard that the Church of England is sometimes seen as the Tory party at prayer?

Lord Young of Cookham :

Well, a large number of the Tory party were at prayer 10 minutes ago.


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And, in exciting by-election news, Lord Carrington won the cross-bench seat previously occupied by Lord Northbourne. 11 candidates, 31 electors, and 29 votes cast. The actual breakdown was not recorded.

In a oh-dear-I-agree-with-him moment, Lord Blunkett sums up the whole process:

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Ms Dynamite joins that eminent crowd people who feel obliged to justify themselves in the Guardian on why they've decided to accept a gong.


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Miss Dynami tee hee is getting a fucking MBE?

Christ, the bar is getting low. Maybe I'll ask for one.

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Well, it is all disgusting and vile and I am Very Angry yet sad about how the country ended up here.

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Do you remember that time when we didn't think much of Jacqui Smith? Halcyon days.


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Well, it is all disgusting and vile and I am Very Angry yet sad about how the country ended up here.


We're certainly on on our way down the shitter, but who is responsible? The tories of course, aided and abetted by the press (the right wingers naturally).


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Well, it is all disgusting and vile and I am Very Angry yet sad about how the country ended up here.


We're certainly on on our way down the shitter, but who is responsible? The tories of course, aided and abetted by the press (the right wingers naturally).


And the Labour party

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MaliA wrote:
Four_Candles wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Well, it is all disgusting and vile and I am Very Angry yet sad about how the country ended up here.


We're certainly on on our way down the shitter, but who is responsible? The tories of course, aided and abetted by the press (the right wingers naturally).


And the Labour party

The Tories and Labour should just go ahead and merge to form Norsefire, and stop the pretence.


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Diane Abbott has really fucked me off, again.
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We should be a country that treats the doctor from Poland in the same way as a doctor from Pakistan.


No. We bloody well should not be. It has really irked me, how much we are throwing away in the name of xenophobia.

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Diane Abbott has really fucked me off, again.
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We should be a country that treats the doctor from Poland in the same way as a doctor from Pakistan.



Why not make it easier for Pakistani doctors to come over then? There's nothing stopping us from doing that.


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In other news, the US Defence Secretary has resigned, leaving a letter explaining why he thinks allies should be treated with respect and authoritarian states with caution. So that means that John Bolton will have the unopposed ear of Mr Trump. Sleep well.


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Christ, that's depressing. Thank you for the nice Christmas present, Trump. The only reassurance is that the President seems allergic to wars, and Bolton was actually arguing Matthis's side in this case.

Rumsfeld and Cheney, they're like humorlous cartoon caricatures of hawk neocon lunacy. In the Loop was forced to drop the satire and basically just plump for a straight recreation of Rumsfeld.

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Five year old asks if there is any turkey for him at a food bank so he can have a Christmas dinner.

http://politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/ ... celebrated

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Bobby (not his real name), who looked around five, came along with his mum and younger sister. As a couple of sausage rolls were bagged up for them to take home, he leaned towards me and asked: "Do you have any turkey please so we can have a Christmas dinner?"

I haven't been able to stop thinking about it. It's not just the horror of a child being hungry and needing to rely on charity handouts. It's that a little boy had already worked out that his family were a little bit different from everyone else's. He knew most people would be sitting down to a feast of turkey, potatoes and veg on Christmas Day and he probably wouldn't.

On another occasion I heard a little girl whisper to her mum that she was "really hungry" as she eyed the iced cakes on the table next to her. On another it was a young boy, about 11, standing by his disabled mother as she cried about the situation they were in.


Government spends £107.7m on various agreements to try to keep freight moving back and forth after Brexit, including £13.8M to a ferry company that has never operated a ferry.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... t-no-ships

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Chris Grayling has defended his decision to award a £13.8m contract to charter extra ferries to a “start-up” company that has no ships, as part of no-deal Brexit preparations.

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"At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge, ... it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."
"Are there no prisons?"
"Plenty of prisons..."
"And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
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https://www.bruceonpolitics.com/2019/01 ... lobalists/

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