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Author:  Grim... [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 13:53 ]
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I'm not sure he's ever been that unusual - not on Cardboard Children anyway (which is where I read his stuff).
Author:  Bamba [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 14:03 ]
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When we're between between Metal Gear Solid games everyone's opinion seems to be that Hideo Kojima makes decent games; but they're incredibly flawed and all attempts at plot and characterisation are like laughable teenage fan-fiction. Then, suddenly, whenever one of them is actually released, everyone's opinion magically changes for a while and he's a genius auteur who's saving the industry from itself while plotting the course of gaming for the next few years. Does it seem like that to anyone else?
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 14:07 ]
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Bamba wrote:
When we're between between Metal Gear Solid games everyone's opinion seems to be that Hideo Kojima makes decent games; but they're incredibly flawed and all attempts at plot and characterisation are like laughable teenage fan-fiction. Then, suddenly, whenever one of them is actually released, everyone's opinion magically changes for a while and he's a genius auteur who's saving the industry from itself while plotting the course of gaming for the next few years. Does it seem like that to anyone else?


5) Agree strongly
Author:  zaphod79 [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 14:08 ]
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Grim... wrote:
I'm not sure he's ever been that unusual - not on Cardboard Children anyway (which is where I read his stuff).


You see a lot more of the variance on Twitter , where he'll switch from standard stuff to near gibberish at times - so to answer your question no he's not gone mad , he's just a little eccentric at times :-)
Author:  Satsuma [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 14:51 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Bamba wrote:
When we're between between Metal Gear Solid games everyone's opinion seems to be that Hideo Kojima makes decent games; but they're incredibly flawed and all attempts at plot and characterisation are like laughable teenage fan-fiction. Then, suddenly, whenever one of them is actually released, everyone's opinion magically changes for a while and he's a genius auteur who's saving the industry from itself while plotting the course of gaming for the next few years. Does it seem like that to anyone else?


5) Agree strongly


Oh god :this:

I was reading two people on Twitter whose opinions aren't too far from my own and was stunned by the rubbish they were spouting about these games. Did we all go mad or did we forget that not only is MGS4 absolutely unplayable? Those install times, man. The garbage cut scenes? The length of the cut scenes? A single cut scene can last an hour. AN HOUR. MGS as a series is desperately meh; MGS4 is the worst shit I've ever played. You literally cannot play the game for more than 5 minutes without an interruption which lasts longer than you've been playing. The only good level on MGS4 was the third one (I think, the jungle one) but that's only because it aped MGS3.

MGS3 is the only good MGS (After he released the special edition and sorted out that fackin camera) and the sole reason is because it is about the only game where you can sneak about for long periods without interruption. Y'know, actually play the fackin game for a change.

Notwithstanding my disdain for the MGS series I appreciate the little effects and easter eggs thrown in and, if you ask me, this is perhaps the only reason why people speak highly of these games. They are quite detailed worlds when you are allowed to exist within them.
Author:  markg [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 14:57 ]
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I've never been a fan so I couldn't give a toss for the story, just tell me who to kill. Ground Zeroes seemed to do just that and then I had a riot doing it, don't remember any massive cut scenes anyway. Phantom Pain looks like it'll be the same as that but better.
Author:  Bamba [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 15:29 ]
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markg wrote:
I've never been a fan so I couldn't give a toss for the story, just tell me who to kill. Ground Zeroes seemed to do just that and then I had a riot doing it, don't remember any massive cut scenes anyway. Phantom Pain looks like it'll be the same as that but better.


I can't help suspecting you'll be very mistaken if you're expecting no massive cut scenes. The actual gameplay of Ground Zeroes will be very similar to Phantom Pain no doubt but as the former is just a stopgap of sorts where as the latter is his most recent, and now final, full-on Metal Gear game I can't imagine it'll be free of rambling nonsensical story.
Author:  Cras [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 15:30 ]
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Didn't MGS 3 have horrific hour-long cutscenes also? I remember two massive cutscenes either side of a fight with an apparent rollerskating ninja, think that was 3.
Author:  markg [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 15:37 ]
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Bamba wrote:
markg wrote:
I've never been a fan so I couldn't give a toss for the story, just tell me who to kill. Ground Zeroes seemed to do just that and then I had a riot doing it, don't remember any massive cut scenes anyway. Phantom Pain looks like it'll be the same as that but better.


I can't help suspecting you'll be very mistaken if you're expecting no massive cut scenes. The actual gameplay of Ground Zeroes will be very similar to Phantom Pain no doubt but as the former is just a stopgap of sorts where as the latter is his most recent, and now final, full-on Metal Gear game I can't imagine it'll be free of rambling nonsensical story.

Yeah probably, but as long as I can skip them or failing that fuck off out of the room for a bit then I'll probably cope.
Author:  Satsuma [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 15:38 ]
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There was a roller-skating fat guy in MGS2?
Author:  Bamba [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 15:38 ]
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Also: now the game is out, has there been any chat about the wank-fantasy female sniper character Quiet? In response to people pointing out how terrible the character design is Kojima implied the story would reveal important and credible reasons why she dressed like a hedge-dragged hooker. I assume that's a load of shite but I'm curious if anything ever came of it.
Author:  zaphod79 [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 16:13 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Also: now the game is out,


There are copies around (since its the bank holiday weekend some places have already shipped) but its not actually out until the 1st - I have had shipping notification for mine but it did not arrive in todays post (I expect it to be here tomorrow)
Author:  Bamba [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 16:36 ]
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zaphod79 wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Also: now the game is out,


There are copies around (since its the bank holiday weekend some places have already shipped) but its not actually out until the 1st - I have had shipping notification for mine but it did not arrive in todays post (I expect it to be here tomorrow)


Ah, sorry, I'm jumping the gun there. I'm not planning on picking it up any time soon myself (i.e. I will get it, but not right now) so hadn't paid proper attention to the actual release date.
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Aug 28, 2015 0:14 ]
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I loved the first one.

Did the 4th one really have hour-long cutscenes?
Author:  GazChap [ Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:51 ]
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The second one had hour-long cutscenes*, so I wouldn't be surprised.

* Actually, technically, I think they were under an hour, but were straight after each other so basically ended up being over an hour.
Author:  myp [ Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:59 ]
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Someone should dig out Sinister Agent's review of MGS4. It was comedy gold.
Author:  zaphod79 [ Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:02 ]
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Future Warrior wrote:
Someone should dig out Sinister Agent's review of MGS4. It was comedy gold.


http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.c ... t/mgs4.htm
Author:  myp [ Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:25 ]
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zaphod79 wrote:
Future Warrior wrote:
Someone should dig out Sinister Agent's review of MGS4. It was comedy gold.


http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.c ... t/mgs4.htm

Quote:
- a character gets on your side, betrays you, then kills herself in a fit of guilt, then turns out to have been trying to stop the villains all along with a highly portable deus-ex machine that she gave to your mate earlier. She has no reason whatsoever to betray you. She intended to help you all along. Her betrayal gained nothing and had no motive beyond trying to make the plot look complex. How in the name of fuck did this get through a writer, a director, the sound bods and the voice actor? "I'm sorry I betrayed you." Okay, great. WHY did you do it? THERE IS NO REASON. YOU COULD HAVE JUST TOLD US YOUR PLAN AND STAYED WITH US AND NOTHING WOULD HAVE CHANGED IN THE SLIGHTEST. RGRAAAAAAARRRRGGH! HOW FUCKING STUPID DO YOU THINK WE ARE?


Quote:
Don't buy it. Don't rent it. Don't allow your friends, or even enemies, to buy it. Don't even fucking PIRATE it, because that'll encourage them too. Not even if it's 50p. If you get it free with something else, snap it in two and send it back to Konami (I think it's them, right? I don't want to know, because if I know, and I meet someone who works for them, I will be morally obligated to stab them in the face) in a padded envelope filled with faeces.

:DD
Author:  Mr Russell [ Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:40 ]
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I started reading the first paragraph, and thought "oh, this writing is terrible. Why do people think this is good?"

Then I realised that it was an intro paragraph by Stu. The rest of the article was great but used the word machina too much.
Author:  myp [ Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:46 ]
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Mr Russell wrote:
used the word machina too much.

Blame the game for that perhaps. ;)
Author:  zaphod79 [ Mon Aug 31, 2015 13:56 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Also: now the game is out, has there been any chat about the wank-fantasy female sniper character Quiet? In response to people pointing out how terrible the character design is Kojima implied the story would reveal important and credible reasons why she dressed like a hedge-dragged hooker. I assume that's a load of shite but I'm curious if anything ever came of it.


The 'crappy' answer

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
She is infected with a parasite that gives her super powers , however it needs sunlight and water to feed , so when she's hardly wearing anything (or stripping out of her clothes) it is so the sun or rain can get to her skin and top up her super powers
Author:  Satsuma [ Mon Aug 31, 2015 14:51 ]
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That's thoroughly convincing. I'll let him off then.
Author:  Bamba [ Mon Aug 31, 2015 19:51 ]
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zaphod79 wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Also: now the game is out, has there been any chat about the wank-fantasy female sniper character Quiet? In response to people pointing out how terrible the character design is Kojima implied the story would reveal important and credible reasons why she dressed like a hedge-dragged hooker. I assume that's a load of shite but I'm curious if anything ever came of it.


The 'crappy' answer

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
She is infected with a parasite that gives her super powers , however it needs sunlight and water to feed , so when she's hardly wearing anything (or stripping out of her clothes) it is so the sun or rain can get to her skin and top up her super powers


Jesus. I mean yeah, it's certainly a reason in itself, but it's sketchy stuff. I don't know whether to be impressed at the level of imagination that's gone into ensuring a female character is always skimpily dressed or just disgusted because, well, the level of imagination that's gone into ensuring a female character is always skimpily dressed.
Author:  MaliA [ Mon Aug 31, 2015 19:56 ]
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Bamba wrote:
zaphod79 wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Also: now the game is out, has there been any chat about the wank-fantasy female sniper character Quiet? In response to people pointing out how terrible the character design is Kojima implied the story would reveal important and credible reasons why she dressed like a hedge-dragged hooker. I assume that's a load of shite but I'm curious if anything ever came of it.


The 'crappy' answer

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
She is infected with a parasite that gives her super powers , however it needs sunlight and water to feed , so when she's hardly wearing anything (or stripping out of her clothes) it is so the sun or rain can get to her skin and top up her super powers


Jesus. I mean yeah, it's certainly a reason in itself, but it's sketchy stuff. I don't know whether to be impressed at the level of imagination that's gone into ensuring a female character is always skimpily dressed or just disgusted because, well, the level of imagination that's gone into ensuring a female character is always skimpily dressed.


Whichever way around they came to it is creepy
Author:  LewieP [ Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:51 ]
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This is incredible.
Author:  TheVision [ Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:53 ]
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From what I've seen on the internet, this is the first MGS game I'm interested in.
Author:  myp [ Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:06 ]
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TheVision wrote:
From what I've seen on the internet, this is the first MGS game I'm interested in.

Play Ground Zeroes first. It'll give you a flavour for the main game. I loved it.
Author:  TheVision [ Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:11 ]
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That's the one that was given away with games for gold last month I believe? Good idea.
Author:  LewieP [ Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:02 ]
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Yeah it meaningfully address every single one of the series' failings up until this point.

There's a lot to love about MGS1-4, but I have always hated the controls and the pacing.

Those about both fixed in MGS5, and it's making all the other stealth and/or open world games seem utterly primitive.
Author:  Satsuma [ Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:12 ]
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But what about dem tatties, hmmm?
Author:  myp [ Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:19 ]
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Saturnalian wrote:
But what about dem tatties, hmmm?

It's ok to enjoy media while still finding elements of it problematic.
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:23 ]
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Otherwise no-one would watch porn.
Author:  Grim... [ Wed Sep 02, 2015 13:25 ]
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Awesomely, if you play MGS5 on your birthday, it throws "you" a party.
Author:  zaphod79 [ Fri Sep 04, 2015 15:16 ]
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015- ... ma-ashamed
Author:  LewieP [ Fri Sep 04, 2015 19:25 ]
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I really like this game but I hate that they included FarmVille for some reason (Money)
Author:  Pundabaya [ Fri Sep 04, 2015 20:50 ]
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I played Ground Beef or whatever its called, and it was okay. I enjoyed it well enough.

However, the mentalness of the game proper has sold me. Bionic Punches (with Steve Austin Sound Effect) balooning shit out of the combat zone, pink helicopters and all.
Author:  Satsuma [ Fri Sep 04, 2015 22:49 ]
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So I saw this and thought Kojima knew exactly what he was doing when he designed these virtual tatties despite the bullshit explanation why they're on show. Why not give her smaller tatties? Tiny tatties? No, he went straight for the fatty tatties.

http://gfycat.com/DisloyalFewGopher

I should really pick this up at some point soon.
Author:  LaceSensor [ Fri Sep 04, 2015 23:27 ]
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anyone have this on PC? how is it?

I have played all the Playstation games and like to use a pad. I guess I could use a 360 pad on PC (have the set up for that)
OR

do I succomb and get a nextgen (laugh, somewhat) console?

If I did it might have to be Xbox One, and that only runs at 900p which is less than appetising.
Author:  zaphod79 [ Fri Sep 04, 2015 23:45 ]
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LaceSensor wrote:
anyone have this on PC? how is it?
.


I think Lewie's playing it on PC ?
Author:  Bamba [ Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:21 ]
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Saturnalian wrote:
So I saw this and thought Kojima knew exactly what he was doing when he designed these virtual tatties


One of these days I'm going to meet you in real life and for every time you used the word 'tatties' I'm going to punch you in the face. I don't want to do it, indeed I love you so very much, but I'll be forced to do it on principle alone. So what I'm saying is: PLEASE GOD STOP USING THE WORD TATTIES BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO MURDER YOU BUT YOU'RE KIND OF MAKING ME WANT TO.
Author:  Pundabaya [ Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:01 ]
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Played through the opening... fuck me, I really wish we got the Kojima Silent Hill...
Author:  LewieP [ Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:06 ]
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Nah I'm on PS4.

By all accounts the PC version is solid.

Ground Zeroes was great on PC too. I even prefer the mouse controls (but my gaming PC is in a different country to me atm, so I am playing TPP on PS4)
Author:  LaceSensor [ Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:02 ]
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Im tempted to allow this to prompt me to buy a next gen console.
Hive mind still feels PS4 is superior to Xbox One, I presume?

I think if I got an Xbox one now, Id regret it when Last Guardian comes out also.

Hnnnnng its hard to decide (!)
Author:  Satsuma [ Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:41 ]
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LaceSensor wrote:
I think if I got an Xbox one now, Id regret it when Last Guardian comes out also.


YES YOU BLOODY WELL WOULD.

And I can promise you I shan't stop going on about it.
Author:  Mr Dave [ Sat Sep 05, 2015 13:12 ]
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Spoilers: Last Guardian turns out to be utter shite. Which is why they took so long trying to make it un-shite.
Author:  myp [ Sat Sep 05, 2015 14:19 ]
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LewieP wrote:
the PC version is solid

Nice work.
Author:  JohnCoffey [ Sat Sep 05, 2015 15:06 ]
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LaceSensor wrote:
Im tempted to allow this to prompt me to buy a next gen console.
Hive mind still feels PS4 is superior to Xbox One, I presume?

I think if I got an Xbox one now, Id regret it when Last Guardian comes out also.

Hnnnnng its hard to decide (!)


Then why not get both?
Author:  Pundabaya [ Sat Sep 05, 2015 18:51 ]
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The Fulton Recovery System is fucking hilarious.
Author:  LaceSensor [ Sat Sep 05, 2015 22:42 ]
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JohnCoffey wrote:
LaceSensor wrote:
Im tempted to allow this to prompt me to buy a next gen console.
Hive mind still feels PS4 is superior to Xbox One, I presume?

I think if I got an Xbox one now, Id regret it when Last Guardian comes out also.

Hnnnnng its hard to decide (!)


Then why not get both?


Because I don't want two consoles I want one :P
Author:  TheVision [ Sat Sep 05, 2015 23:00 ]
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LaceSensor wrote:

Because I don't want two consoles I want one :P


Does... not... compute....
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