In order for me to take a review seriously, the reviewer has to know what they're talking about. If they are doing the main review of (one of those sidebar 'second opinion' things doesn't matter as much) a sequel, they need to have played the original.
Likewise, no matter what anyone (Gillen) says, you cannot take a sequel in isolation from the original.
Likewise, no matter what anyone (Gillen) says, you cannot take a sequel in isolation from the original.
Where were you guys when I was having this argument with Craster in the Saints Row 2 thread? The fact is, from that EG review I had no idea whether it was worth buying the sequel, having already owned and played the first game. It was totally pointless.
Hang on, are we talking about the Fable 2 or Saint's Row 2 reviews on EG here? 
You're supposed to be talking about Far Cry 2, this is my Far Cry 2 thread that I made especially. I don't know, you people.
You could almost say that our discussion is a far cry from the original subject matter.
markg wrote:
I don't know, you people.
I'm Perkoise, and these are my esteemed compatriots moip (the Omar Sharif of Nottingham), Dirmill (brother of Nermal) and C. Raster (he invented vector graphics). Sitting up there on a throne made of Land Rover parts is Grimmmy,,, and his butler, Sleeves. He owns the place.
Further along are Doctor Glynn Dowager and Deebie Slappa (one of the famed Deebie Brothas musical ensemble, here in our little forum!), together with robajon (a high specialised thief, he only commits crimes against people called jon), Pants, Intrigue and RU UNCLE (who is on a lifelong quest to find his dad's lost brother). Oh, and Ryu-San (fear his hadoken!) and Lawyer Chris, master of the Bad Court Thingy.
Slow work day?
In the world of trains, aren't they all?
myoptika wrote:
It was totally pointless.
Except for people who don't own the first game, who would otherwise have no frame of reference for most of the review.
But even then it would probably be worth knowing whether or not you might just as well save £30 and buy the first one instead.
It's not like the first game was released hundreds of years ago, as per Fallout for example. It's a game that was released two years ago on the same system!
Is anyone disputing that it's crap they haven't compared it to the original, though?
Craster wrote:
myoptika wrote:
It was totally pointless.
Except for people who don't own the first game, who would otherwise have no frame of reference for most of the review.
All they have to say is - "It's very similar to the original", though. They don't have to make the whole review a point by point comparison between the two, but some acknowledgment of the original is undoubtedly of use to the many people who will own it.
Of course not, but some comparison is useful for people with the original, to know if bad things have been changed or not, to know if good things have been changed or removed, etc etc etc.
MetalAngel wrote:
Is anyone disputing that it's crap they haven't compared it to the original, though?
It's crap, but I'd rather they did that than assume that you have the original. It surely only really needs a few lines at the end detailing whether it's worth an upgrade from the original, with the body of the review concentrating on the game as standalone.
Craster wrote:
It surely only really needs a few lines at the end detailing whether it's worth an upgrade from the original
Exactly. So, why then, doesn't it? Instead, the reviewer goes on about these really cool new crazy things that, er, were in the original.
Ah, I appear to have left "invisibility" switched on this morning. That would also explain why I couldn't get hold of a copy of the Metro.
What's with the random post about the Metro, Perks?
myoptika wrote:
What's with the random post about the Metro, Perks?
Far Cry 2 - its very good.
This has been a public service announcement on behalf of Pundabaya.
This has been a public service announcement on behalf of Pundabaya.
Pundabaya wrote:
Far Cry 2 - its very good.
This has been a public service announcement on behalf of Pundabaya.
This has been a public service announcement on behalf of Pundabaya.
Is it lots like the others?
Craster wrote:
MetalAngel wrote:
Is anyone disputing that it's crap they haven't compared it to the original, though?
It's crap, but I'd rather they did that than assume that you have the original. It surely only really needs a few lines at the end detailing whether it's worth an upgrade from the original, with the body of the review concentrating on the game as standalone.
i think Crysis is really the unnoficial sequel to Far Cry. From what i read Far Cry 2 is quite different from the first.
So are shops selling it freely now? Or are these pre-orders that have arrived early?
I quite enjoyed the first one on the xbox until I got close to the end and what I assume was the final boss fight which I gave up on. Sticking you in an arena and then chucking dozens of frenzied suicide exploding baddies before you get to the final boss is not my idea of fun.
I was looking forward to this until I read the EG review which seemed to spend most of the text moaning about how flawed the game was what with you constantly having to find booster shots because you have malaria and there are crossroad vehicle ambushes every five minutes and then gave it 8/10
Are there any definitive reviews that tell you what the game is like? Otherwise I'll be saving my money.
I was looking forward to this until I read the EG review which seemed to spend most of the text moaning about how flawed the game was what with you constantly having to find booster shots because you have malaria and there are crossroad vehicle ambushes every five minutes and then gave it 8/10
Are there any definitive reviews that tell you what the game is like? Otherwise I'll be saving my money.
The suicide guys, though annoying, weren't too bad... just step out of the way when they take a flying leap.
Being able to scram enemies to death was hilarious fun.
Being able to scram enemies to death was hilarious fun.
MetalAngel wrote:
In order for me to take a review seriously, the reviewer has to know what they're talking about. If they are doing the main review of (one of those sidebar 'second opinion' things doesn't matter as much) a sequel, they need to have played the original.
Likewise, no matter what anyone (Gillen) says, you cannot take a sequel in isolation from the original.
Likewise, no matter what anyone (Gillen) says, you cannot take a sequel in isolation from the original.
Isn't that liek saying you can't review any ford cars untill you have driven a model t ford?
Kovacs Caprios wrote:
Isn't that liek saying you can't review any ford cars untill you have driven a model t ford?
Yeah I think there's a bit of that. If you were writing a review, would you spend most of your time comparing Saints Row 2 to Saints Row 1, or GTA4? Far more people have played GTA4, surely, making that a more meaningful comparison point.Should all reviews of Fallout 3 have played Fallout 1 and 2?
Kovacs Caprios wrote:
MetalAngel wrote:
In order for me to take a review seriously, the reviewer has to know what they're talking about. If they are doing the main review of (one of those sidebar 'second opinion' things doesn't matter as much) a sequel, they need to have played the original.
Likewise, no matter what anyone (Gillen) says, you cannot take a sequel in isolation from the original.
Likewise, no matter what anyone (Gillen) says, you cannot take a sequel in isolation from the original.
Isn't that liek saying you can't review any ford cars untill you have driven a model t ford?
Not really, but if a car reviewer was telling me about the New Fiesta, I would certainly want him to be familiar with the Old Fiesta.
If you review it entirely as a new thing, it might seem good, but it might be worse than a previous iteration. See the CoD5 thread for details - in there people are complaining that it seems more like a mod for CoD4 than a game in its own right.
Whenever I see a review for a sequel, I always want to know if it is worth buying even if I have the previous version. Given the amount of franchises in video games these days, it's pretty much essential.
Also, Wikipedia says this game is out today. Zavvi disagrees.
I really hate Zavvi.
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Kovacs Caprios wrote:
Isn't that liek saying you can't review any ford cars untill you have driven a model t ford?
Yeah I think there's a bit of that. If you were writing a review, would you spend most of your time comparing Saints Row 2 to Saints Row 1, or GTA4? Far more people have played GTA4, surely, making that a more meaningful comparison point.Should all reviews of Fallout 3 have played Fallout 1 and 2?
Don't be ridiculous - you're comparing apples with strange martian oranges. The first Saints Row game came out two years ago on the same bloody system. It's not like it's a relic of a bygone era like the first two Fallout games.
Friendly local indie gameshop let me buy a copy early.
It definitely feels more Far Cryey than I expected, theres still plenty of running around the jungle. The enemy's AI is great. It is a very, very pretty game.
There are a lot of armed checkpoints about, however, just blasting past them in your jeep is mostly survivable. Or just blow the mooks away.
Malaria... I'm three or so hours in, and it hasn't been a problem, I'm still on my first batch of pills you get for free in the tutorial. I assume it gets worse later on, but then you'll have bigger guns.
It definitely feels more Far Cryey than I expected, theres still plenty of running around the jungle. The enemy's AI is great. It is a very, very pretty game.
There are a lot of armed checkpoints about, however, just blasting past them in your jeep is mostly survivable. Or just blow the mooks away.
Malaria... I'm three or so hours in, and it hasn't been a problem, I'm still on my first batch of pills you get for free in the tutorial. I assume it gets worse later on, but then you'll have bigger guns.
This game is sounding better all the time. It's amazing reverse-hype.
myoptika wrote:
It's not like it's a relic of a bygone era like the first two Fallout games.
Get out.
I'm all in favour of games where your character is suffering from An Disease/Illness. My leader in Civ Rev has chronic fatigue syndrome, my prince in Beautiful Katamari has chlamydia, and Ivy in soul calibur iv has a slightly gammy leg.
Craster wrote:
myoptika wrote:
It's not like it's a relic of a bygone era like the first two Fallout games.
Get out.
I'm not saying they're bad games, but comparing the Fallout series to Saints Row in those terms was pretty disingenious.
myoptika wrote:
Craster wrote:
myoptika wrote:
It's not like it's a relic of a bygone era like the first two Fallout games.
Get out.
I'm not saying they're bad games, but comparing the Fallout series to Saints Row in those terms was pretty disingenious.
Out.
But -
No more talking.
Craster wrote:
*Craster slides up to Myp's left side*
*gently rests arm on his shoulder and puts his finger delicately to Myp's lip*
No more talking....
*lingeringly moves the finger southwards*
*gently rests arm on his shoulder and puts his finger delicately to Myp's lip*
No more talking....
*lingeringly moves the finger southwards*
FTFY!
Dimrill wrote:
Craster wrote:
*Craster slides up to Myp's left side*
*gently rests arm on his shoulder and puts his finger delicately to Myp's lip*
No more talking....
*lingeringly moves the finger southwards*
*gently rests arm on his shoulder and puts his finger delicately to Myp's lip*
No more talking....
*lingeringly moves the finger southwards*
FTFY!
my eyes!!!!
I'm extremely turned on right now.
I recommend a very cold shower then
there is a vaccine for malaria. Why didn't the stupid character in far cry 2 took it before he went to africa?
It would've been far safer not to have gone to Africa at all, so why did he go? Because it makes a better game than him sat at home with a beer watching Granada Men & Motors - that's why.
myoptika wrote:
It would've been far safer not to have gone to Africa at all, so why did he go? Because it makes a better game than him sat at home with a beer watching Granada Men & Motors - that's why.
that's a silly analogy, and you know.
RuySan wrote:
there is a vaccine for malaria. Why didn't the stupid character in far cry 2 took it before he went to africa?
He forgot.
RuySan wrote:
there is a vaccine for malaria. Why didn't the stupid character in far cry 2 took it before he went to africa?
No. No there isn't.