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One of the things I really liked about Moon is that the characters weren't idiots. A couple of times I went to myself "Aha! I've worked out what's going on!" only for the characters to work out the same thing within, literally, a minute of screen time. I really enjoyed it, a great little sci-fi movie.

Let The Right One In was awesome. I'm reasonably sure there was a load of clever sub-text in there that I was too thick to understand, though - what was with all the shots of characters' feet, f'rinstance?

Star Trek I liked a lot less on second viewing, though. Or at least, I liked the last 45 minutes a lot less. It's great right up until the Slippy Slidey Ice-World bit at which point it a) stops making sense and b) stops feeling so much like Star Trek. Oh well.

Have you tried switching it off and back on again?

Fastest. Reboot. Ever.

By my reckoning the Hulk movies will still edge it by a couple of months in the reboot stakes based on the premieres.

Hulk was June 2003, Incredible Hulk was June 2009
Spiderman 3 was April 2007 and new Spiderman would be Summer 2012, which is June I'm guessing.

That makes Spidey 5 years to Hulk's 6.

Balls. Incredible Hulk was 2008, not 2009. So the Hulk's were 5 years apart and Spiderman will be 5 years and a couple of month.

Watched JJJJJJJJJAAAAABBBRBAMAMSMSMSMSMAMSMASM Reboot of Star Trek last night. Great cast, very slick, enjoyed it.

Got District 9 to watch sometime this week.

Also saw The Accidental Husband last week - the dangers of HC and her predilection for picking the celluloid equivalent of thumb sucking and comfort blankets and the fact that it's her lovefilm account. It's a passable romcom with Uma Boomer and the guy from Grey's Anatomy who was worth shedloads and dying who's name I can never remember. Colin Firth is in it as well as Keir Dullea - which I think is the first film I've noticed him in since 2001 ASO

Best film of last year for me.

Still haven't bloody seen it. Although my delaying has meant the crappy cam job that I first downloaded has now become a 720p BD rip.

Still haven't watched it though :|

Watched Primer over the weekend because of the talk on here and will watch again this weekend after doing some reading. It is very much a cult film isn't it.

So based on my understanding and my reading up on it...

With 'Up' and 'The Hurt Locker' taking the other podium spots.

Ooo, remembered one even faster. Die Another Day was November 2002 and Casino Royale was November 2006, only 4 years. Given that Casino Royale shows James Bond at the start of his career I would count it as a reboot and not just an actor cross over.

I think we need to count time between reboots and exclude sequels.

So for Bond, it's probably from Dr No to Casino Royale (I'd argue Bond has never really been rebooted, although it has such weak inter-film continuity I'm not sure this is meaningful). For Spider-Man it's the time from Spider-Man 1 to 4. For Batman, the time from Batman to Batman Begins.

Hulk wins this one outright then.

Batman Begins was a prequel, rather than a reboot, wouldn't you say? Nothing in it renders the others non-canon.

I wouldn't count the Ed Norton Hulk as a reboot though. It's really a loose follow on

If you assume the Piers Brosnan Bond died, and Daniel Craig's character took the job on, getting the 007 number and the name in the process, the whole film makes perfect sense as a sequel, to the extent that I reckon that was the original plan, but they chickened out.

I'd say his meeting Gordon breaks it, as in Burton's Batman, the two had never previously met. That's about the only flaw you couldn't easily argue away though... although obviously The Dark Knight totally contradicts events from the Burton film.

I've always, for whatever reason, seen each changeover in actor in the Bond films like that. Of course it makes Diamonds Are Forever a tough one to explain, but that's possibly my second least favourite Bond movie anyway so I can disregard that (The risible Die Another Day being the worst of the bunch by some considerable margin).

It would add an excellent element to the story if Bond was a title and not just a person. It could even to some extent pull the David Niven 'Casino Royale' into the canon

And the fact that Bruce's parents were killed by a homeless guy, and not the Joker.

It's a reboot.

Going by the wiki page Norton's Hulk has a different back story which is why I counted it.

I don't see a problem from counting from the last movie of the series, that's the point it stopped being that series of movies they made. When they can't make another movie that ties in with that series then "REBOOT!".

I always saw James Bond films not really having any continuity. Just films with this character having an adventure. But Casino Royale has a Bond at the start of his career and in that way counts as a sort of a reboot/fresh start in my eyes.

Moonraker, dude. Fucking Moonraker.

Outside. NOW.

Bite him. Bite him in the face.

Moonraker does have cute pigtail girl, remember. Bonus.

James Bond does not fly Space Shuttles armed with laser beams.

He did. In Moonraker. Have you seen it?

And nor did he - it flew itself on autopilot.

I do see what you're saying, but Moonraker has Jaws in it, so it's allowed some sillyness. Yes, even space shuttles armed with lasers silliness.

And it's not in any way as bad as that fucking awful load of old gobshite that was Die Another Day (a friend of mine has a fan edit in which he claims it's been cut to make it good. I haven't seen it yet to be able to confirm or deny this edit consists of the opening credits (with different music dubbed over) swiftly followed by the closing credits). Or as bad as casting Charles "Fucking" Gray as Blofeld!

Edit: yes, I've spelt 'sillyness' two different ways. I don't know how it's meant to be spelled and I'd much rather waste time whinging here than checking a dictionary.

Yes he does, that's why he is awesome and the miserable fucking Jason Bourne wannabe in the last two films is crap.

Die Another Day had the best Bond in it, though.
Yes it did.

Brosnan was an awesome Bond, no doubt and possibly even my favourite. But of his 4 Bond movies, only Goldeneye was really much cop. I didn't mind The World Is Not Enough, though Robert Carlysle may as well have not bothered in that one. Tomorrow Never Dies could've been really good if they'd turned the campness down 1 notch and not treated it like a 2 hour commercial break.

Goldeneye is one of my favourites as it's very similar to old school Bond. Dalton was a great Bond, but was saddled with two crappy movies and a dire attempt at edginess and realism.

Quantum of Solace bored me to tears, if I'm honest.

I 100% agree with Grim..., not least because he's right.

Goldeneye was legendary - easily the best Bond film ever.

The World is Not Enough was a leeetle silly, but had that bird from Starship Troopers shooting out of a big pipe in one of the best bits of inside-out sexual imagery ever, so clearly wins. And Robbie Coltrane. Or was he in the other one? Anyway.

Tomorrow Never Dies was actually quite good - there was very little campness, other than the German hitman. And it had Teri Hatcher in it, FFS! And a big stealth boat! And a bit with aeroplanes!

Die Another Day was actually very good, at least within its own frame of reerence. They'd stopped trying to be serious and actually made an updated, very very entertaining Roger Moore-style Bond film. And with Moore being the second best Bond, this is a Good Thing.

The Craig David Bond films were both execrable - one was a two hour game of poker and the other was ... fuck, I can't even remember it, it was so dull.

BOND FACT:

They wanted Pierce Brosnan to be Bond ages back, but he was contracted to Remington Steele.

Imagine how good he would've been as a younger man

Less so, is the answer. He made quite a believable Bond as he wasn't a gym-perfect chap, had clearly enjoyed a fair bit of champagne and had that slightly sleazy older man thing to him.

Which they took too far with Moore, IMHO.

*raises eyebrow*

The second was a Competition Commission investigation of the local water board, I believe.

There seems to be equal parts right and equal parts very, very wrong in the above post and it's making my head hurt.

That was the one. Worst Bond Villain EVER. With a stupid exploding house.

I couldn't watch Quantum of Solace because every half-second the camera _angle would ^change, and everything ^stopped being fun.

I haven't done a geeky list in a while.

Best to worst Bonds...

1) Brosnan
2) Connery
3) Dalton
4) Moore
5) Craig
6) Lazenby

I used to utterly hate Roger Moore's Bond, but I think the old age is starting to turn me senile. And Lazenby may be a rather pap Bond, but the one film he's in is probably the best of the bunch.

Making me want to watch The Matador again.

"Bond film producer Albert R. "Cubby" Broccoli stated he did not want Bond to be identified with a current TV series, and instead gave the role to Timothy Dalton."
FACT fail.

Damn. That'll teach me. He was in the running though and became Bond just 7 years later.

Yes - 'he' is Brosnan in that sentence. Remington Steele was cancelled at that point, and it was the publicity that Brosnan was going to be Bond that got it uncancelled. Then Cubby got mad.

I want to kick Craig David in the balls. 7 days in a row. And then see how he likes it.

My theory with QOS is that they chose the wrong bloody director and then hit him up with an editing schedule that was about 40% of the length of the usual for a big action movie. Basically the film barely made sense it was so pared down which is a sign of lack of editing time. First you cut to the bone then you put stuff back in once you allow for the fact that the audience won't have seen the film 800 times like you have. QOS had a 5/6 week editing schedule as opposed to something like a normal 14 weeks for a major movie.

I like Daniel Craig.

I like Brosnan as well, especially in Goldeneye. I think he was the right age to play the part, if a little slight in build. He was way too pretty as a younger man. Have you seen him in The Long Good Friday? He's positively pretty.

The best Bond movie is From Russia With Love.

Bah, you are all obviously insane, any one of taste would tell you Bond films are rubbish no matter who plays him. The discussion did remind me of this article from cracked about film theories that make film series make more sense:

http://www.cracked.com/article/18367_6- ... es-better/

Basically, James Bond isn't one man but rather a code name for a position (ala the original film Casino Royale).

Mother fucker! That's not a 'popular theory', it's my theory.