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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:03 
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Nice to hear they're all still having a jolly good laugh about things.

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Nice to hear they're all still having a jolly good laugh about things.


At 22:55 on Brexit day the Parliamentary Band will strike up a rousing rendition of 'Nearer my god to thee'.


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It appears that the whole purpose of the House of Commons is to keep John Bercow entertained:

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She will know that I have an unbridled enthusiasm for debate, for votes and for sitting in the Chair for extended periods listening to the intellects of Einstein and the eloquences of Demosthenes, which are so regularly on display from my colleagues in all parts of the House. I cannot get enough of it. It may seem eccentric on my part, but I love to listen to my colleagues. The more debates and the more votes, the better. I am most grateful to the right hon. Lady, of whose point of order I had only a moment’s notice, but which I enjoyed.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Bercow was on the Birkbeck Politics podcast the other week. It's for the students, so sound quality isn't great, but he was interesting. Man, he uses a lot of words to say simple things sometimes. Check out his introduction!

https://gb.ivoox.com/en/podcast-birkbec ... 039_1.html


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Ace! Will give that a listen.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... 131749.amp

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Moving debate in Westminster Hall misogyny and hate. Mhari Black in particular makes a very strong speech.

Guess which honourable member doesn't make a very good impression of himself early on?


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Moving debate in Westminster Hall misogyny and hate. Mhari Black in particular makes a very strong speech.

Guess which honourable member doesn't make a very good impression of himself early on?


I'll take Davies for £500; Alex

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Speaking of which, I was listening to PMQs yesterday and I actually laughed at Mrs May's joke:

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I thank the right hon. Gentleman for telling me that it is International Women’s Day tomorrow. I think that is what is called mansplaining.


See, she's not all bad.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Sort of politics, :attitude: has done his annual fundraiser for Wings Over Scotland, as you can see, it's gone well.

https://wingsoverscotland.charitychecko ... -Countdown

He also addresses his arrest last year and what he sees as clear interference and intimidation by the British establishment.

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So in 2017, anticipating that another vote was just over the horizon, the British establishment came after Wings Over Scotland with a vengeance.

The site's editor was arrested by the Metropolitan Police on the grounds of farcically ridiculous allegations from a lunatic who we're still under their "advice" not to identify.

While no charges were brought and the case was eventually dropped, the accusation alone enabled the Met to confiscate every piece of computer equipment used to produce Wings - including two PCs, a laptop, four tablets, two phones and even the iPod Touch that we use for listening to Radio Scotland - and impound it for no reason for three months, leaving us to try to hold the site together for a quarter of the year with emergency replacement kit.

Kezia Dugdale, the then-leader of Scottish Labour, launched an extraordinary personal attack, using the pages of a tabloid newspaper and the entirety of First Minister's Questions to issue baseless smears aimed at discrediting the site and forcing us to take expensive court action not only to defend our own reputation, but that of all Yes activists from the sort of malicious slurs that the Unionist parties and media deployed throughout the first indyref.

And when we exclusively revealed in December that self-styled "grassroots" Unionist organisation Scotland In Union was in fact funded almost entirely by an elite cabal of Lords, Dukes, Earls and common-or-garden multi-millionaires, they sent in some very pricey lawyers, and the police again, to try to silence us.

(All on top of the usual daily death threats and abuse from Unionists, and their useful idiots on the Yes side too.)

But we're still here.


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Good luck to him. Everyone needs a hobby.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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It's just as well that untangling countries from long-standing Unions with countless economic, social, and cultural ties isn't wrought with difficulty.


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Bloody hell, NI

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“You have a culture of lawlessness and fear in some of these communities where the victims know who is shooting them; the parent knows who is shooting their child. Sometimes parents are negotiating with these thugs to take the kid to certain places by arrangement.

“It is not unknown to my officers that in certain circumstances parents have dosed their kids up with powerful painkillers and alcohol to remove the impact of the ‘punishment’ shooting or beating. By colluding in this they [the parents] are hoping to negotiate less severe beatings or shootings. There is something madly wrong with society whenever parents even countenance doing that with their own children.”

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UK political commentators: “Brexit is surely the biggest issue facing this Parliament”

Russia: “hold my nerve gas while we commit an act of war maybe”

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 0210527232




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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Just as well the head of our closest ally is such a staunch critic of the Putin regime and we've not weakened ourselves due to any rash decisions to disentangle ourselves from our nearest neighbours.

Oh.


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Rex Tillerson, which was somehow, the most sympathetic and seemingly sane figure in the Trump administration was fired.


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He mentioned something about Russia being behind the Salisbury attack yesterday. Just a coincidence.


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Rex Tillerson, which was somehow, the most sympathetic and seemingly sane figure in the Trump administration was fired.


https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/sta ... 4046266368



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What I can't get my head around is there's lots of ways to kill people so if Russia wanted to do this and then deny it why use a nerve agent that supposedly can be traced right back to them?


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A deliberate attempt to see what they can get away with?

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Them relying on what was created to be an undetectable nerve agent actually being undetectable?


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What I can't get my head around is there's lots of ways to kill people so if Russia wanted to do this and then deny it why use a nerve agent that supposedly can be traced right back to them?


There’s the potential that Putin is less in control of some of the more volatile elements of his empire than he claims to be.

That or he’s seeing what he can get away with.

Or it’s a false flag!

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It's a warning to others. Chemical weapons and posions could be anywhere, so anyone Mr Putin doesn't like could be hit at any time.


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I had heard that it may have been done as there’s an election coming up and he’s worried a poor turnout at his corrupt election which he will win, will look bad in the eyes of the world. Ergo, fomenting western Russian bashing has in the past riled the plebiscite enough to turn out in bigger numbers.

That, and he doesn’t give a fuck, as there’s little we can do to harm him in the short term.

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What I can't get my head around is there's lots of ways to kill people so if Russia wanted to do this and then deny it why use a nerve agent that supposedly can be traced right back to them?


They could have just killed him and disposed of the body, then it would have been some 15-minute conspiracy theory on local TV.

Could be Putin flexing his muscles prior to the election, but he is supposed to have 65% of the vote according to polls, and they are always 100% right :)

For sure somebody is not concerned that this points back to Russia.

Still, we have shown them now, we kicked out 23 fake diplomats who are spies that we already knew about, you wonder why we didn't do this before now.

Also, Prince William and Harry and large numbers of government people will not be getting a taxpayer-funded World Cup holiday now.

Finally freezing Russian state assets where there is evidence they may be used to threaten the life or property of UK nationals or residents, so at least nobody is going to be killed by a big house in central London or a Faberge Egg which is a huge relief.


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Analytica:

Are we annoyed that people did surveys for money in return for access to profiles, people's public profiles were collected by a company, the company makes bold claims about what it can do with this data or Trump?

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If you do the survey, that's fine. It's just that in so doing, the company sucked up all your friends' data too.

As with all forms of data analysis, I find what's possible in equal parts deeply fascinating and deeply sinister.


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If you do the survey, that's fine. It's just that in so doing, the company sucked up all your friends' data too.


Wasn't it just the public proflies? If it was, then a researcher could have done it by hand.

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As with all forms of data analysis, I find what's possible in equal parts deeply fascinating and deeply sinister.


Yes, I agree. Your card was 9 hearts, right?

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Remember this sign from a while back? No?
Well, to refresh:

Parking behind the CoOp was 20 mins free. Then signs and ANPR appeared, and you had to type car reg in to get 20 free minutes. Many didn't, and were fined as per T&Cs.

Anyhoo, I dropped a note to local counciller and local MP over the signs not being terribly clear. Counciller responded and he had passed it over to MP. So, MP raises the issue in Parliament, and sends me half a dozen letters with copies of his correspondance with the council solicitors, parking ombudsman and other people.

Today, in the local paper reports:
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THE operator of a controversial car park has been ordered to shut it down and refund thousands of pounds in fines slapped on unsuspecting motorists.

Bradford Council took the dramatic step after receiving a host of complaints about the way private car park company Smart Parking was running the site at Oastler Road, Saltaire.

The authority was able to step in after discovering that the patch of land had never legally been turned into a car park and was still part of the public highway.

But in doing so, the Council has also had to hold its hands up to running the car park illegally itself for more than a decade, and now faces a major refund programme of its own.


http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... ial_fines/

Which is amazing. And has amused me.

So, I think P Davies will do OK in an election, again, as he's shown himself to be looking after community interests, especially as the council is a Labour run one and fingers can be pointed.

EXCITING CAR PARK UPDATE


http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... _launched/



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Cllr Alex Ross-Shaw, the Council’s executive member for regeneration, planning and transport, said: “We have started negotiations with the company, Saltaire Investments, and we are helping them to clarify the highway status of the land.

“As the car park is still operating illegally, we have also served a notice on the company to remove the car parking equipment from the site.


Not sure if I'm meant to type car reg in anymore or not, but it looks like a proper car park still.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... _car_park/

Further plot twist!

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THE operators of a controversial car park which was ordered to shut down appear to be fighting back.

Private car park company Smart Parking has drawn anger from motorists over the way it has been handing out fines at Oastler Road car park in Saltaire.

The furore prompted Bradford Council to declare the site unlawful and serve a notice ordering the car park to close by November 24.

But in an apparent act of defiance against this notice, the company has now lodged a retrospective planning application for its parking signs, in a move one councillor branded “hilarious”.


Amazing.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/N ... _car_park/

Further developments in the Oastler Road Car Park fiasco


Planning permission has been applied for to turn the road into a car park. There are objections. WHERE WILL IT ALL END?


REJECTED! THIS IS A ROLLERCOASTER

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