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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 14:18 
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Still playing that Brexit bus game when I get a spare five minutes at work. It's quite relaxing.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Yeah, I had one on XBLA and I've got one on Steam I think.. they were more frustrating than therapeutic at times though :)

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I'm so impressed that the opposition party are taking so many shots at this massive open goal and about to bring the government down.

Oh, sorry. Wrong timeline.


In fairness, just read Sir Keir's speech in the Commons yesterday, and it's quite a reasonable attack. He's helped by David Davis coming across as really struggling to defend the government's position.

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The right hon. and learned Gentleman’s speeches in such proceedings are becoming rather repetitive—they are always crowing and carping.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Once, an old boss wanted to use some metrics I had devised that were insightful but had caveats. I was arguing the caveats made them useless. He said "Do you have better numbers?" I conceded I did not. He said "So either we apply these numbers carefully or we're just guessing. Which is better?"


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
https://twitter.com/alexGspence/status/938339860573716480

Once, an old boss wanted to use some metrics I had devised that were insightful but had caveats. I was arguing the caveats made them useless. He said "Do you have better numbers?" I conceded I did not. He said "So either we apply these numbers carefully or we're just guessing. Which is better?"


I am nicking this

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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The Natural Party of Governance, the people who believe in free markets and that corporate management is fundamentally good, are coming out and saying that impact assessments are pointless. If you pitched your board of directors a project of one-thousandth the size and risk of Brexit and didn't have any formal consideration of risk or impact, they'd assume you're a pillock and say no. And maybe write you up for incompetence.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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The idea that they can't publish them because it might help "the other side" (seriously, stop this them-v-us language) is appalling. As if the EU doesn't already have detailed knowledge of the UK economy and feeds this into planning for trade negotiations with other countries or is already publishing plenty of stuff on its website.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Admittedly, it'd be pretty embarrassing for the government to admit which sectors it's happy to throw under a bus, but perhaps it's time to be honest to Parliament and the public about our futures *

* assuming we're not all vaporised in the meantime


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
The Natural Party of Governance, the people who believe in free markets and that corporate management is fundamentally good, are coming out and saying that impact assessments are pointless. If you pitched your board of directors a project of one-thousandth the size and risk of Brexit and didn't have any formal consideration of risk or impact, they'd assume you're a pillock and say no. And maybe write you up for incompetence.

And if you'd been saying for the last year about how detailed and great your analysis was to your board of directors, I imagine a friendly chap from security would be standing next to you whilst you put all your stuff into a cardboard box.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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At which point does this become maladministration?


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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He’s got to be in contempt of Parliament now. He knowingly lied that they had done their job and he now admits that they didn’t actually do anything.

Talk about giving the Brexiters enough rope to hang themselves with, Jesus.

And now Jacob Rees-Twat is saying that since the impact assessments don’t exist, promising to publish them shows that the government is going beyond what was required, so actually it’s a good thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Currently I'm assuming this government is still about due to some sort of Simpsons-esque "Three Stooges Syndrome" where so much is going wrong at once that no one can decide which is worse.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Good summary of the history of Davis's public statements about the impact assessments:
http://jackofkent.com/2017/11/the-early ... -analyses/


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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At which point did this become maladministration?

Past-tense-feex.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Kern wrote:
At which point did this become maladministration?

Past-tense-feex.


It should be maliadministration.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Being knowingly misleading in the reply to a FOI request must be be some sort of offence, surely?


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Kern wrote:
I'm so impressed that the opposition party are taking so many shots at this massive open goal and about to bring the government down.

Oh, sorry. Wrong timeline.


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PMQs - Snap verdict: Just when you thought our politics couldn’t get much more dispiriting, that PMQs probably set a new low. It is supposed to be a forum where the prime minister is held to account, but rarely have exchanges at PMQs seemed so ill-matched to the gravity of the issues facing the country. Corbyn tends to avoid Brexit at PMQs, and you can see why. While his questions about, say, housing or universal credit have an urgency or passion to them, today’s felt a bit more half-hearted and, despite May facing the biggest crisis of the Brexit talks, he did not manage to unsettle her at all.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Philip Hammond has said that the cabinet has not yet agreed on a final end state for the UK. So they really do have no idea what the hell they are doing. This is so fucking stupid and irresponsible that I'm struggling to comprehend how they can claim any authority on this.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Philip Hammond has said that the cabinet has not yet agreed on a final end state for the UK. So they really do have no idea what the hell they are doing. This is so fucking stupid and irresponsible that I'm struggling to comprehend how they can claim any authority on this.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Britain must agree to stay under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights if it wants a trade deal with the EU, Brussels will insist – in a move likely to trigger another row with right-wingers in the Conservative party.

A leaked draft European Parliament motion obtained by The Independent and due to be published in the coming weeks spells out a series of new demands from the body’s Brexit leadership for the next phase of talks – and threatens that it will use its veto if they are not met

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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They probably figure that May has folded on everything else so far, so why won't she fold on this?


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Whoever tabled the motion had picked the next fortnight as their time period in the Euro Parliament's "When will May Get The Boot" sweepstake.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Waney! We’ve made enough progress to unlock the next level of talks!

I’ve not read much on it, but it seems that to get to do that we have agreed that there is an absolute guarantee on no hard border in Ireland. To make that happen we have a fall back position of keeping the UK in the single market!

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Right, so the government conceded on having talks in parallel regrading leaving and trade, the government will pay £50 billion to leave, regulations will be startlingly similar, being outside customs union makes trade harder, and the courts might still refer things to the ECJ.

That's good skills, there.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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'Pay more for a shittier time!' It's the modern video gaming Brexit.

As for Mr Gove, hearing him suggest that cases going to the ECJ when there's a dispute over law is in anyway going to be a new thing was staggeringly painful to listen to.

I'd write another letter to my MP but I really don't know what the point of it is now and I don't particularly want to have to join north Oxfordshire Conservatives just feel like she might give a toss.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Gove makes my skin crawl.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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The weirdest thing is seeing arseholes on Twitter like Guido Fawkes and Julia Hartley-Brewer crowing about how this is a Hard Brexit and how all the Remainers will be crying today, and how May has achieved everything amazingly well.

And there’s starting to be a slow dawning realisation that they got almost nothing that they wanted.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Gove makes my skin crawl.

Mine too but to his credit I read the other day that he had said some good things about soil. They should just make him the minister for soil.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Right, so the government conceded on having talks in parallel regrading leaving and trade, the government will pay £50 billion to leave, regulations will be startlingly similar, being outside customs union makes trade harder, and the courts might still refer things to the ECJ.

That's good skills, there.


Still a weird agreement...monday's seemed quite well form my point of view... but then the DUPpers used their trump card.. on that point they have now basically said 'well, as long as UK will fix that, it's ok'.. so are they counting on a future without the DUP to arrange this point?

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Gove makes my skin crawl.

Mine too but to his credit I read the other day that he had said some good things about soil. They should just make him the minister for soil.

They made him the minister for soiling Britain. Close enough?


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Looks like we got out just in time, EU is proposing to mess with Doner Kebabs :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42238363


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Looks like we got out just in time, EU is proposing to mess with Doner Kebabs :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42238363


Kebabs and blue passports. Great, that's the number of benefits of leaving doubled.

Of course, as a free and sovereign nation (TM), Parliament will look at the issue, consider it, then follow what the EU wants us to do because of regulatory alignment. But it'll be a free decision, so that's ok then.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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If I was the EU I'd definitely have made red passports one of the conditions to move on with negotiations. Just for the LOLs.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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If I was the EU I'd definitely have made red passports one of the conditions to move on with negotiations. Just for the LOLs.


I'd make British officials get on their knees before any meeting, just to emphasise the status of the relationship.


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Same. It's much nicer than navy

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Same. It's much nicer than navy


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Just finished Nick Clegg's book on how to stop Brexit. The first half goes over the current situation but hasn't told me anything new. The meat of the book is in the second half and some of his solutions are clever, workable, yet sadly likely to be ignored.

Readable but glad I got it from the library so only paid the reservation fee.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eal-for-uk

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After a week that saw May reach a deal with the EU that will allow Brexit talks to move forward on to future trade relations, EU officials insisted a bespoke deal more favourable to the UK than other non-EU nations was out of the question.

One EU source close to the talks said: “We have been approached by a number of [non-member] countries expressing concerns and making it clear that it would constitute a major problem for them if suddenly the UK were to get better terms than they get.”


Quelle surprise.

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David Davis TALKING BRITAIN DOWN.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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My MP continues to impress me:

https://twitter.com/S_Hammond/status/941039278871728128




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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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The Sun running with a headline that Britain will enter an 'overtime bonanza' as we leave the EU and exit the Working Time Directive, meaning that employees will be able to do more overtime hours and earn more money.

The WTD is already opt-out, so there's absolutely nothing stopping that happening today. All the WTD does is prevent employers from _forcing_ employees to work an excessive number of hours. How can they possibly have the gall to spin this as a positive outcome?!

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I was pretty sure Mr Gove et al had promised to protect workers' rights. This pledge must have gone the way of the £350 million a week for the NHS.


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Well they are selling it as protecting workers' rights to work more hours, which is insane.

(Let's not forget there's lots of other stuff tied into the same legislation as the WTD, like the right to paid vacation)

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It's ludicrous. They know exactly what they're doing though.

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