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GazChap
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 18:45 |
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They are great cars, and the engine is a peach. By most accounts, practically bullet proof as well, VANOS issues excepted (which I believe were mostly sorted on post-facelift cars, which is another reason that pre-facelifts are worth less.)
Things to look out for:
- rear suspension springs broken - rear trailing arm bushes worn and in need of replacement - evidence of a clutch change at some point. They're good for 60K when driven sympathetically, but can go in under 30K if driven hard. Either way, at 90K it should have had at least one new clutch in its life. Replacing is around £800 in parts and God knows what in labour. - Rust on, and under wheel arches - especially at the rear
And, the big one - the rear subframe. If he's looked after it as impeccably as you say, he will know all about the rear subframe issue and will have either had it regularly inspected or had it sorted if it was going wrong.
Basically, the rear subframe on the E46 cars (especially the M3 and more powerful non-M models) cannot take the amount of torque that goes through the rear of the car and are prone to cracking. If it's not caught early enough and sorted, the subframe basically falls apart.
If it's not showing any signs of cracking (and personally I'd get a proper specialist inspection done before you buy) then it may never do it, but keep an eye on it - lots of videos and guides on how to look out for problems.
If it's showing signs of cracking, even hairline, either walk away or budget for having it sorted. Various specialists back on the mainland charge around £1,500-£2,000 to strengthen the area with resin, but it's possible to replace the entire affected area with new plates, but this costs more (about £4K I seem to remember.)
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:00 |
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MaliA wrote: Now exhaust is blowing on big car. Fuck's sake. hopefully I can patch it with a tin can later tonight. It is very noisy. Predictably, it seems is the section with the two catalytic converters in.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:00 |
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MaliA wrote: Now exhaust is blowing on big car. Fuck's sake. hopefully I can patch it with a tin can later tonight. It is very noisy. Predictably, it seems is the section with the two catalytic converters in.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 17:23 |
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MaliA wrote: MaliA wrote: Now exhaust is blowing on big car. Fuck's sake. hopefully I can patch it with a tin can later tonight. It is very noisy. Predictably, it seems is the section with the two catalytic converters in. I bought some tin snips so I will remove the heat shields and bandage the two pipes back together with the straight pipe repair I bought and then jubilee clip a coke can around it. If that does not work then I will spend £500...
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 21:00 |
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 22:25 |
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No,just tight.
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DavPaz
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:01 |
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Cam belt went on the Clio at 50mph on the bypass this morning. What are the odds that the engine survived?
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:11 |
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How quickly did you shut it off when it went? From my limited research the Clios use interference engines so if the cam belt goes there's a good chance the engine has stuffed itself, but if you were quick to shut it down it might have limited the damage.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:19 |
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Unless you turn it off within one revolution, surely the valves are all still at risk of being buggered?
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:24 |
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Yep, although I think the longer you leave it the more likely other shit is to break.
I guess on an older Clio engine any damage to valves is likely to render it uneconomical to repair anyway, though.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:30 |
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You should be able to get it compression tested fairly cheaply, which would tell you the state of the valves.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:34 |
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We've got a Mini One and it's pissed me off a few times now. It's a 2008 and has only done about 30k and we only do about 3k per year in the thing. Last year however it cost us £1500. Basically the steering lock was showing an error code and no matter what I did I could not shift it. I have an OBD scanner and I already had to change all of the O2 sensors at a cost of £300 or so but the steering lock light would not go out. So, even though it was functioning perfectly (you could hear it engaging and so on) BMW charged us.. Wait for it ! £700.
I tried in vain to find one but apparently the only place you can get it is BMW. Thanks to the latest laws on MOT even if your car has a error code it's an automatic fail. Even if it were something as stupid as low washer fluid (not saying it could be, just giving an example).
Then the year before it needed all new tyres, cost £450.
Other than that though (haha) it's a great little car and we have the 1.4l is it? so it's quick as heck too. It's also surprisingly roomy inside.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:56 |
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GazChap wrote: How quickly did you shut it off when it went? From my limited research the Clios use interference engines so if the cam belt goes there's a good chance the engine has stuffed itself, but if you were quick to shut it down it might have limited the damage. I coasted to a stop about 100 yards down the road. It's not good, is it?
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 13:03 |
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 13:23 |
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If I buy a Zafira, does that mean I've given up on life?
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 13:26 |
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Yes.
Buy a Jag.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 13:38 |
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 14:13 |
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Studies have shown that unless you buy the V8 Jag your wife will leave you in 6.8 nanoseconds after you make the purchase.
Do you want to be single? DO YOU?
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 14:56 |
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 16:39 |
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Any thoughts on the ford fusion?
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 16:51 |
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My ex has got one. That automatically makes it a car for knobs.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 17:20 |
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Jem wrote: My ex has got one. That automatically makes it a car for knobs. Just spat coffee out.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 17:43 |
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Jem wrote: My ex has got one. That automatically makes it a car for knobs. Perfect for me, then.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 18:02 |
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Why buy German when you could by English?
Do you wish we'd lost the war? DO YOU?!
Fucking Hitler lover.
Buy my Jag.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 18:13 |
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 19:08 |
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For some reason, MrsA has never told me there is a green lane pretty much from her parents doorstep to a pub at the top of the hill. This is fucking excellent news, but less so for those that own the farm at the bottom of it.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 19:23 |
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DavPaz wrote: Cam belt went on the Clio at 50mph on the bypass this morning. What are the odds that the engine survived? Sorry to hear that.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 20:47 |
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Zardoz wrote: You selling a Jag, Grim...? Happens that I am!
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 21:40 |
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Did all the Pumas get offloaded?
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:34 |
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DavPaz wrote: Any thoughts on the ford fusion? My wife was given one as a courtesy car for a day. I teased her mercilessly. She hated it. Some of the colours available (like 'jeans' and 'tonic') are also dreadful.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:58 |
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Dr Zoidberg wrote: Did all the Pumas get offloaded? Team Trooper got rid of their one. The rest of us have still got ours.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:29 |
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Does it have room in back for 2 child seats?
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:30 |
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The Jag? Christ yes. The Puma? Technically yes, but it's small two-door so it would be a bugger to get them in and out.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:58 |
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No Jag, ta. No Puma, ta. No Mountain Lion, ta.
Soz.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 13:00 |
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Ford Galaxy or Citron Picasso, then.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 13:04 |
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Grim... wrote: Ford Galaxy or Citron Picasso, then. Don't forget the Zafira!
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 13:05 |
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That's not as good.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 13:16 |
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Not a fan of Citroens. That centre mounted digital speedo gives me hives.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 13:23 |
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Ford C-Max innit - can get them nicely kitted out too.
I loved mine, wish I'd kept it TBH. Still see it driving around the place. The new owner is a MILF.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 13:47 |
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"Do you come with the car?"
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 15:16 |
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Love my Mk1 Seat Leon TDi 110 still.
Enjoyable enough to drive on my own and still practical for a family of 4.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 15:17 |
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It'll be at least another 5 weeks before I can drive it myself again though
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 19:22 |
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New Alfa a-comin'. Ho shit, boyyee.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 19:33 |
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It looks decent, but isn't really stirring the soul for me. The quick one sounds amazing though. 0-60 in under 4 seconds in a family car!
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 19:38 |
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That looks fucking incredible.
At least, it does until you put a UK number plate on the front of it.
At which point - like most Alfas - it looks gash.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 20:16 |
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:52 |
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Might be time to eat my words. Citroën Picasso 04 plate available for £300. Hmmmm
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:06 |
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There's probably a reason for that
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:52 |
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Brother in law's mate is a boat builder. A client gave it to him as part payment. Going to have a look tomorrow. Needs an MOT apparently. Fingers crossed.
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Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 19:54 |
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Got to change disks and pads on Big Car sometime this week. Does it never end?
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