Be Excellent To Each Other

Another day, another coffin

"There are so few of you left now."

The coffin contains Bobbyaro

"He was merely an Insignificant Test Subject. His desire to see the bad guys brought to justice appears like it may go unsated."

Day ends at 11pm Thursday.

[playerlist]
Runcle
Mr Russell
Mimi
KovacsC
Mr Dom
Malc
krazywookie
Joans
Alarm
[/playerlist]

5 votes for a lynch.

2 test subjects down - we are so boned

In the night, I had another message:
Mimi is a bad guy; I'm sure of it

Probably about as accurate as all the rest of them...

It'll be interesting to see if anyone is forced to vote today. I was wondering if the person sending these 'X is a bad person, I'm sure of it', messages, and the person forcing votes on people is the same person.

If it IS the same person then I'd assume they can only send one message per day. Have there been any instances of days where there has been a forced vote AND one of those so-and-so is a bad guy messages?

I haven't had either a vote forced on me, nor have I received a message of any kind, but something occurred to me when I was catching up on yesterday's action. The Vision, right at the end of the day, said that the one day that he did make a vote it was the same as what happened to Mr Dom and KrazyWookie, but it wasn't.

Mr Dom and KrazyWookie said that the votes were automatically posted without their knowledge. The Vision's vote was cast in the middle of a post with discussion and interaction with the rest of us.

So, assuming that TheVision wasn't lying, as now a proven insignificant (kind of irritating that we lost someone who didn't ever address why they never voted and didn't mention this 'forced' vote until all but one vote was cast), what did he mean that it was the 'same'? Are there really two people who can force votes in different ways, one through coercion and one through hacking? If so, why have both never occurred on the same day?

If it is the same person, why do some claim to have the vote made without their knowledge, but one proven insignificant test subject claim to have been forced to make a vote, but seemingly have actually made it with full knowledge, and near the end of a day?

Something does not add up.

Currently suspicious of Alarm. Him and Bobbyaro were at odds, and he may have killed him to silence his detractors.

Would like to hear from Joans on the matter though. Hahahahahahahahhahaa. Hear from Joans!!

Gad! TheVision was so sus looking as well. Hey-ho onto the usual lottery then. Today I'm staring suspiciously at runcle for no good reason other than he seems a bit lie-low-ish.

Just a quick post to say that my memory of last night was

Sharp
Bright
Dull

I have no idea who to vote for at the moment, need to process what went on yesterday and get back to you.

Malc

Right,

I think I am going to stick with my theory from yesterday

Alarm is baddun

[vote:alarm]

Malc

Blimey. I was expecting to be murdered overnight. Bobbyaro was acting suspicious, but I did say that I didn't know if he was a mafioso for sure.

So, we have the following in our midst:

(Probably 2) mafia
One or two masons
Hacker
[Perhaps another non-townie role]

Unless the hacker is also a mason or mafia member?

Do people think that the person sending the 'X is a bad person' and the person forcing people to vote in certain ways is likely the same person?

I'm still confused as to why TheVision seemed to be saying he voted against his will but clearly wrote his vote his-self, whilst Wookie and Mr Dom had their votes cast automagically and were somehow unable to change it.

Wookie, was that the truth, or something that a baddie forced you to say as a cover story? Are you allowed to explain any more about it?

Are we going to let nothing happen again?
[vote:alarm]

Since day three, Runcle has only spoken three times.

Pretty much solely on that basis, I [vote:Runcle].

The day doesn't end until tomorrow, and I want to see if any of these ultra quiet people pop up and have something to say for themselves. Im surprised that Boobies would put up with a test subject so absent as Joans. He isn't exactly partaking in whatever strange experiment Boobies is carrying out in the day time. Is he being kept alive fir tbd interest he brings into the night? The less we hear from Joans, the more likely to be the case this would be. Why else would Boobies not have darted him in his slumbering neck by now?

Alarm says he's surprised to be alive after the night. If it were the most suspicious people being bumped off in the night then I might tend to agree, but if he's suspicious there's a good chance he's mafia, and obviously the mafia wouldn't bump him off.

I'm not sure who to vote for on balance. I'm not sure Joans has done anything that's especially suspicious, but that's because he's done absolutely nothing (that we can see in the day time) for ages. Which is suspicious in itself.

Alarm is outwardly suspicious, but I'm not sure if my judgement is swinging towards him just because of the amount of suspicion that others have placed on him

As with Joans, I'd pretty much forgotten that Runcle was still being held here by Boobies.

Yeah - there are a few very quiet ones in here - Runcle & Joans spring to mind.
I am a bit suss of Alarm, but as Mimi says, no need to rush yet, and I am more suss of Kovacs for reasons I can't quite put my finger on...

When I had my vote forced it was there when I woke up and no amount of knob twiddling or button pressing could remedy it. This is the whole truth as it applies here in this REAL ROOM. That is all.

/glances nervously at CCTV cam.

My wildly inacurate random-suspicion-o-generator is now firmly clamped on runcle for no apparent reason so [vote:Runcle] this might flush him out into the open...

Sorry, not been around very much and not much idea what to say when I am around. I'm still sending in night actions, but I can't see that they're having any effect.

I have been thinking about this overnight and though I am still suspicious of Alarm, the more I think if it the more I believe that Joans' and Runcle's silence is more than just useless for the group but more than likely a way to blend into the shadows and not draw attention to themselves.

I'm going to [vote:Runcle] as I'm more and more convinced that either one or both of them are bad guys trying to win by staying quiet at this late stage of the process, just by hoping that we might forget they are here.

I might be persuaded to vote for one of the quieter ones, but I do think that Alarm is acting more suspicious, but that might be beacuse he is at least acting, and the quieter ones are not.

I think I'll leave my vote where it is for now, but will keep an eye on things.

Malc

This gas must be affecting our speech centres as well now. Nobody seems to want to say much at all. [vote:Runcle]

I would imagine as there are mostly bad folk left, so don't want to draw attention to themselves.

9 people, at a guess 3 mafia left... Runcle & Joans are both very quiet

If there are mafia in hiding, I would expect them to start posting more from yesterday when we started pointing out quietness. I would have expected a fair amount of prodding from other mafia members to start posting stuff once we started pointing at TheVision to avoid their members being picked up, and also providing them an easy way to steer conversation to the quiet ones. FoS at Mimi & Kovacs...

I certainly would have expected Runcle to be given some more prodding to speak up if he did have teammates...

I don't know why you FoS me for that. I wasn't anything like the person to bring up Runcle's quietness, I suspected Joans, had actually pretty much forgotten about Runcle until someone pointed out his quietness.

Also, you seem to be suggesting that staying quiet is suspicious, and then suggesting that people pointing out that staying quiet is suspicious is suspicious. Unless I've misunderstood you.

The major flaw in what you are saying though is to suggest that baddies wouldn't stay quiet after being called out on it as their teammates would prompt them.

From what has happened it would seem that there are likely one, two or three mafia still operating, but at least one, maybe two other 'bad' roles, leaving as few as two (unlikely to have only been two mafia, but possible I guess) to five (perhaps also unlikely but possible) baddie roles.

There is someone forcing votes, someone sending messages, claiming innocent people to be 'bad guys'. I don't think either of these roles (if two separate roles.., I did wonder if it was perhaps a single role) are likely friendly ones.

I think that the people staying quiet, hiding away, have a high chance of being either these kind of roles, or it has been a group tactic to stay quiet and perhaps Runcle and Joans are in league?

KovacsC I've no idea about, he has likewise seemed rather quiet of late.

I have been quiet as i have been ties up with OOC of stuff (work, you will have noticed I have not posted a lot on the forum).

But I have time today so I am posting..

I would like to hear from kovacsc, mr dom, runcle and joans as to why they haven't voted yet

And is there any reason why I shouldn't swap to runcle?

Malc

Not sure who to vote for..

If I vote for Runcle, and her turns out to be good, then you all are FOS!

alarm: 1 (Malc)
runcle: 4 (Mr Russell, Alarm, krazywookie, Mimi)

Not voted: 4 (runcle, kovacsc, mr dom, joans)

With 9 players alive, 5 votes are required for a lynch, and 5 nolynch votes are required to not lynch anybody.

http://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/counter/work.php

I haven't voted cos we have hours to go still, and while Runcle is well up there on the FoS, I don't want to pass the opportunity to discuss things more.

*Looks around for the discussion*

Not saying you have to vote for Runcle, I'm not for example, just that it really doesn't make sense to not vote at all.

If we don't vote anyone off, then the Mafia will win, as they will just slowly kill us until they have a majority.

So we have to vote, and of course there is going to be a risk of hitting the wrong person, but we need to take a chance.

I think Alarm is more likely to be a baddy than runcle, so that's why I'm not changing for the moment.

But everyone being quiet and not voting is not the way to win.

Malc

I agree, but we are 1 vote from a lynch, and we have till 11pm.

More discussion is needed.

I agree with not rushing a vote unnecessarily if you know you can get on before vote closing. I always try to sum things up in my head around midday of when the vote ends, as I'm never sure if i'll get on in the evenings, but it's a bit awkward at the moment with some of the members not actually volunteering any help or conversation.

I'm personally more suspect of Joan's, but nobody seems to think him so odd. I was trying to weigh up a vote against him to one against Runcle.

Joans has barely participated for ages then posted a single message to say 'I haven't posted as I haven't got any ideas' or something to that effect, so it's hard to gauge if he's just being rubbish or deliberately awkward and vague.

it is Joans

He never shuts up!

I meant the numpty part

And that.

Who has not participated today yet?

Depends what you mean by 'participate'. Joans has definitely posted:



But that's essentially a non-post. Runcle hasn't posted at all, as far as I can see. I THINK everyone else has posted, but I'm on a phone, so it's difficult to check.

Hello, you bunch of bullies.

I'm pretty darn sure I'm good. There's been a couple of nights I havent gave night actions at all and people are still dying.

Also why would I have voted for bad guy myp on day 5, the third vote of the 8 that was needed, when there was only 3 hours to go on that day.

Innocent I tell you.

I have posted just not a lot. I did vote yesterday, I should have put a vote in for mr russell earlier when there was a chance of him getting lycnhed. I only ended up voting for TheVision because time was short and although I thought it was unlikely he was a bad guy he still could of been and lynching people is the only way were going to win.

It worked! And he came out of the shadows fighting, with a fairly convincing declaration of innocense, I am tempted to change to Joans but what if its a cunning ploy... whats with the keeping quiet Runcle? trying to blend in? hmmmm?

I've been preoccupied by thoughts of a magical place called skyrim and pretending I'm a professional football players. Also I've been daydreaming a lot about a mundane job as a sales assistant for some unknown reason.


bobbyaro: 1 (myp)
myp: 7 (Bobbyaro, Craster, Grim..., Runcle, Mr Dom, Joans, KovacsC)

Not voted: 6 (mr russell, mimi, thevision, malc, krazywookie, alarm)

So out of the 6 people who didn't vote for the bad guy, 4 are currently voting for me.

Actually sorry Alarm voted for myp at the end to lynch him, but I'd imagine one of the last 2 or 3 votes could be bad guys as well.

meh, believe. [vote:unvote]
any more finger pointing anyone?

I was one of those that didn't vote for Myp. He had a rush of five or six votes against him in an hour. You can't claim that not participating for up to and over 48 hours at a time (not just you, but Joans) isn't strange and then present as evidence that someone wasn't present for a whole hour. You may have been dreaming of Skyrim, but I had whole other more important things on my mind that day. Don't claim as defence something that you then try to use against others.

This seems a really odd way to say it.
Sounds exactly like someone denying something they have blatantly done.

Your further reasoning sounds like your excuse is you weren't paying attention, which by definition means you weren't trying to work out who is mafia or not - and that sort of blasé approach indicates you don't care because you are one.

Big FoS increase here...

My defence was that I voted for myp at a time that doesn't make sense for a bad guy to do so. Most likely the bad guys would have tried to ride it out, he needed 5 votes in 2 hours, I can't see them adding to the votes until maybe the last one or two votes if any.

As for people who didn't vote for myp, they may or may not have been present but I think it's likely there will be at least 2 bad guys in the 5 who didn't vote and the last 2 people who voted for myp. Which doesn't really help considering that's two thirds of who's left.

Mr Russell is still my gut feeling for a bad guy.

[vote:Mr Russell]

Again, you are making it seem (perhaps purposefully) that bad guys knew who Myp was, didn't want Myp dead.

1) didn't whoever was getting all the info from Boobies say that the Madia still had one person to find at this point? (this needs checking as this might have been before then, but even still, it could have taken any number of days for them to find the other mafia member, if they've found them yet)

2) There are likely bad guys who wouldn't have known that Myp was Mafia, and wouldn't be in league with him as they would be lone baddie roles. Such as whoever it is that is forcing votes, and whoever is planting unreliable (or just plain fake) messages. I made this same point a few posts ago, that there might still be other 'types' of baddies.

The only thing is, you are trying to say that bad guys wouldn't vote for a mafia member, when that's not true. And it's something I pointed out a few posts ago that bad guy doesn't necessarily = mafia. If you are a baddie, I'd suspect you are either the message sender or the vote forcer (both, if it's the same role), but no, I'm not sure. I had Joans down for one of these roles more than you, but as others also seem to suspect you, it just adds weight to the feeling that something is a bit odd.

I've several times been on the brink of unvoting, but your arguments ignoring obvious things like non-mafia baddies ring the suspicion bells...

There's clearly a few things I've overlooked but when I was saying bad guys I was meaning mafia guys, as I wasn't sure if the person sending messages and the one forcing votes was a bad guy or not. Also agree it may be the same person. Because we haven't had messages or forced votes everyday and he/she may have a choice to do one or the other each day.

As for the mafia knowing all of their members is a possibility as our stalker was killed the same day as myp was lynched so I'm guessing he revealed that not all the mafia knew each other the day previous.

The only way I'm a bad guy is if the mafia still haven't found a member and I'm that member but don't know I'm a member. member.

Just rubbish, sorry. I was going to vote at lunchtime, but my connection at work is so terrible that after my first failed attempt, Mr Dom had posted about not voting, so I had another attempt at posting just to say something, but I gave up trying to get that to go through as well.

Sorry though, my heart's not really in it and I thought I'd be dead by now.

Based on my night actions, I'm assuming I have no night action, if you see what I mean. And if I am part of a group, then I don't know it yet. Given that people don't know (at least to start with) what their affiliation is, it's a bit tricky trying to work out patterns when the people voting may or may not have known who they were at the time.

I'm going to [vote:Runcle] as this game is beginning to drag. And we need to do something