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OH NOES!

Now we might not get to hear Dave's awesome information!!!

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Zardoz wrote:
Switched from Dave because I think he's gonna get bit anyways.

That's a bad thing, surely?

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I'd like to hear what people find suspicious about KevR, and why, when Dimrill has information he refuses to share, there isn't a lynch-fest?

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Right, I think that's quite enough..

*Gets out trumpet for fanfare*
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Oh...

Anyway...

Me wrote:
It's a simple matter of the ruleset - Neither the SK nor the Vampires have anything to gain by lynching people. The SK stands more of a chance of getting caught before hitting his 5 people, and the vampires lose potential risk free food and cover and the vampires are benefitting quite heavily from having so much cover, and I doubt they haven't realised this by now. The smart bet on both bad guy sides is to avoid lynchings.

If you tell people this, it will colour their behaviour, totally invalidating the point afterwards, so I'm trying to get as much activity as I can.

It does depend on them actually being clever enough to realise this, of course, but I'd be surprised if the vamps haven't noticed. The SK, possibly not, but he's not really something to be concerned with yet. But everyone else doesn't quite seem to have realised that it is a different game entirely from that perspective.


Make of that what you will. But it stands to reason that the (early) people actually voting for me/and all for Curiosity are more likely to be innocent. For now.
Also of note: We were apaprently one vote away from a nolynch, and yet noone made it, It would've been good for the vampires to end the day and kill me there and then, as well as being one vote away from a night phase. Maybe they weren't around to tip the balance, or maybe they were already there.

But currently
-Vamps will not kill me, I'm causing too much confusion. (Originally, I was aiming to get them to hit me in preference to a power role, but that plan got blown)
-Vamps will not take me as their own, I'm too much of a risk for lynching.
-I'm not the loon. If Curiosity does go after me - excellent - we still have a eat proof loon running around.
-I've played my part, and don't really care if I die or not. The odds were stacked heavily against us, particulary if people didn't own up to bitings (as has happened, and it's really too late by now to start with that, noone else will come forward, and given we've had at least two people bitten by now...), and so certain assumptions and risky strategies had to be used for us to even stand a chance, before we did nothing, and nolynched continually in our frustration at how long it's taking. (Losing our vigilante, not good, losing our mason, not good, that we've almost certainly lost one person to the vampire cause, and nearly another, and yet still do nothing... Criminal)
- Killing me may well be your best play now, due to the first point. Whatever happens, you need to decide _now_ if you trust me or not, if I am innocent, you can count on me being a team player regardless, if not... It's no good having me being a suspect on the sidelines.


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But I don't have any more information than is contained in this here recording of the town's discussion. I am basing it entirely on what has happened today, and in yesterday's no lynching. KevR stinks of guilt and vampire. It makes my nose wrinkle up in a cute way that's so adorable I want to hug and kiss myself.

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Seriously, though - what's the information?

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Er, that was to Mr. Dave, but it counts to Dimmers as well.

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I think that is Dave's information.

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Night falls in less than four hours.

Can we please lynch KevR and be done with it?

Whatever happens, at least it'll give us some real information to go on.

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Night falls in less than four hours.

Can we please lynch KevR and be done with it?

Whatever happens, at least it'll give us some real information to go on.

Why so keen for it to be KevR? What do you know, pastor?

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Craster wrote:
I think that is Dave's information.

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As before, so again, a list of people who are innocent is damn useful.

It allows us to choose from those who aren't, and have significantly better odds of actually hitting someone we want to. It does depend on the logic within, but it's logic more obvious to you if it's playing in your favour (I'm betting the vamps are loving that we can't get anywhere close to killing them anymore, without hte vigilante, and would like to keep it that way)


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Switched from Dave because I think he's gonna get bit anyways.

That's a bad thing, surely?


Yes, now I've actually used my brain. If he's innocent its bad, not so if he's the Sk.

[vote: unvote]

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All the more reason to stake somebody. KevR claimed not to be bitten last night and I believe him. I believe him, as he was the biter rather than the bitee.

*hands out garlic to all the innocent townies*
Hmm. Funny. Craster and KevR ran away when I got the garlic out...

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Grim... wrote:
Why so keen for it to be KevR? What do you know, pastor?


I know nothing about KevR beyond his postings here. But he's been suspicious to me - I'm always suspicious of the quiet ones - and he's the first person in ages to get some votes I actually am suspicious of.

And don't call me pastor.

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Don't allude to it all the time, then.
So, why not suspicious of Mr Dave?

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Mr Dave wrote:
It's a simple matter of the ruleset - Neither the SK nor the Vampires have anything to gain by lynching people. The SK stands more of a chance of getting caught before hitting his 5 people, and the vampires lose potential risk free food and cover and the vampires are benefitting quite heavily from having so much cover, and I doubt they haven't realised this by now. The smart bet on both bad guy sides is to avoid lynchings.


Yeah, that'd be enormously damning if it wasn't in the town's best interest not to lynch anyone either, at least in the early going. You've come up with an indicator that implicates 75% of the players in the game, except that it doesn't really. Nice work.

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-I've played my part, and don't really care if I die or not. The odds were stacked heavily against us, particulary if people didn't own up to bitings (as has happened, and it's really too late by now to start with that, noone else will come forward, and given we've had at least two people bitten by now...)


Disagree. As I said yesterday, it's totally possible the Sire didn't bite at all on night 1, and while I think it's unlikely there were no bites last night there's a chance that either the vampires are trying to spread paranoia and alarm or possibly that one or both of them hit non-bitable roles.

It seems likely to me there's at least one bitee out there fucking us over by keeping schtum. But "at least two bites by now"? Bobbins.

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and so certain assumptions and risky strategies had to be used for us to even stand a chance, before we did nothing, and nolynched continually in our frustration at how long it's taking. (Losing our vigilante, not good, losing our mason, not good, that we've almost certainly lost one person to the vampire cause, and nearly another, and yet still do nothing... Criminal)


Two nights of priest/Van Halen activity, good.

Again, as the world and its wife have said, there's nothing to be gained by randomly lynching some schlub and we're just as likely to force a Power Townie to out themselves in order to save their own skin. No, sitting quietly and letting the night roles play the game between them doesn't sit all that well with me, but stabbing someone on no better evidence than quirks of conversation out of the misguided need to feel like we're doing something strikes me as even worse.

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Mr Dave wrote:
As before, so again, a list of people who are innocent is damn useful.


But we don't have a list of who is innocent. We have your interpretation of possibly innocent people based on a possible tactic the vamps may be using. It's hardly solid gold stuff, is it?

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The main problem I have with that is quite how dodgy he looked in game 3, with all his insistence of wasting the suicide bomber, despite being a townie.

It certainly has some logic to it though.


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And there's a lot of people on that list.

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If everyday is going to end in nolynch, then this is the most boring and shite game we've had so far. TOWN! Grow some balls (Also tomatoes) and stake some bugger! Even if it's me! We're operating on no information here. The vigilante=dead. The bitees=silent. The vampires=hungry. If KevR turns out innocent, I'll gladly walk to the staking parlour myself next day. If KevR is guilty and lives, however, I'm as good as dead tonight. Buy some fucking coriander!

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The town's ghost monkey is out for the afternoon, so:

Vote Update

curiosity: 2 votes (mr dave, vegetables)
grim...: 1 vote (kalmar)
kevr: 3 votes (curiosity, dimrill, the rev owen)
lacesensor: 1 vote (mr russ)
mr dave: 6 votes (craster, grim..., kevr, lacesensor, mr chris, myoptika)
nolynch: 2 votes (joans, runcle)

Not voted: bluecup, rodafowa, zardoz

With 18 players alive, 10 votes are required for a lynch and 14 votes for there to be no lynch.

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Dimrill wrote:
If everyday is going to end in nolynch, then this is the most boring and shite game we've had so far. TOWN! Grow some balls (Also tomatoes) and stake some bugger! Even if it's me!

Yeah, we were getting there, actually, until you arrived and diverted attention away from Dave.
If you're desperate for a lynch, you know who to vote for.

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Dimrill wrote:
If everyday is going to end in nolynch, then this is the most boring and shite game we've had so far. TOWN! Grow some balls (Also tomatoes) and stake some bugger! Even if it's me! We're operating on no information here. The vigilante=dead. The bitees=silent. The vampires=hungry. If KevR turns out innocent, I'll gladly walk to the staking parlour myself next day. If KevR is guilty and lives, however, I'm as good as dead tonight. Buy some fucking coriander!


Yes but I'd don't really want to be lynched on your whim.

Plus now if your taken out by the Vamps or Serial Killer they can use it against me.

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Diverted away from Dave? I suppose I did. Probably because I'd rather we staked an actual vampire.

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At this point I don't really care who we go for, but we've only got 3 and a half hours to do it.

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To Mr Dave,

Given your reasoning, I am innocent, and I think most people accept that now.

Why are you still voting for me?

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Hmmm...

If we kill the Sire, and they haven't already made a second Childe, we'd have a night without vampire death, wouldn't we? As the Childe would transform to the Sire, and they can only bite.

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The vampires are laughing at us. And they can't do that very well because of their teeth, so they end up biting the inside of their lips. Each time they bite, they make themselves more vampireish. They are growing stronger by us making them laugh at us. Stop it. Stake the bastards. *sharpens butternut squash into a point* USE THIS! KILL THE FUCKS!

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Hmmm...

If we kill the Sire, and they haven't already made a second Childe, we'd have a night without vampire death, wouldn't we? As the Childe would transform to the Sire, and they can only bite.

Or am I wrong?


We'd need RG to confirm, but if the sire is lynched, I think it'll work the way you said, yes.

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Diverted away from Dave? I suppose I did. Probably because I'd rather we staked an actual vampire.

And this is a whim, right?
So, okay, which are you more sure of - that Dave is innocent or KevR is guilty?

Frankly you're doing a good job of making me think "I hope the day ends soon".

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RIGHT, by Dave's reckoning that makes me innocent. I know I'm innocent, so therefore I believe Dave. Dimrill has a spooky way of always being right in this game, so I'm going to trust him, too.

Rightly or wrongly, we need to lynch someone today, or we're just going to play directly into the Sire's hands.

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Day ends soon? yes it probably will end with yet another limp wristed nolynch wishy washy blowout bollocks. Stake! STAKE HARD!

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Dimrill wrote:
Day ends soon? yes it probably will end with yet another limp wristed nolynch wishy washy blowout bollocks. Stake! STAKE HARD!

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dimrill whats your reasoning for going after kevr? Ive just been reading back on why you voted for him ihe first place and it seems you voted for him because he didnt turn up yesterday, when he actually did.


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THIS! GUT FEELING! What have you got for anyone else? Vigilante=dead so no info there. Can the Van Halens do anything else apart from protect? If not, they're fucking useless at the moment because we don't know who's been bit! STAKE! FUCKING STAKE!

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Kill that fucking vampire for FUCKS SAKE!

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I love Dimrill.

[vote:KevR]

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 Post subject: Re: Game IV Day III: "A little child she was; but also...
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*everyone else*
"OOoh I don't know..."
*FLIP, FLOIP, FLIP FLOP*

Limp wristed swine! KILL! KILL!

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 Post subject: Re: Day III: "A little child she was; but also a fierce killer"
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[vote:KevR]


Im on the towns side.
I want a lynch to happen as I stated all along, as I feel this is a good way to get info.
I'm not arsed who it is anymore, as I'm bored. Dave, KevR, Curio. All good candidates.
Dave for being a know it all share nothing, KevR for being shifty, and Curio cos he role-outed and people who role out should be killed, especially some numpty roll like the Psychiatrist, which is a glorified townie anyway.

Thats my reasoning.


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I think the RevOwen is scum.

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 Post subject: Re: Game IV Day III: "A little child she was; but also...
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So we're killing a man, just to see him die?


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I think the RevOwen is scum.

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You probably won't be thinking that tomorrow.

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 Post subject: Re: Game IV Day III: "A little child she was; but also...
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Curiosity wrote:
To Mr Dave,

Given your reasoning, I am innocent, and I think most people accept that now.

Why are you still voting for me?


Absentmindedness + generally sure noone else would.

vote - unvote if it makes you happy.

As for the rest of you, quite frankly, I'm beyond caring. Do what you will. I don't think I'm going to bother playing this particular game beyond this point anyway, other than to chuck a vote around.

My actual choices for votes : KevR and Rodafowa.

[vote: KevR]

Reasoning, all up there.


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