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So, if I have this right, Kovacs is claiming that:

1) He is a cop
2) He is also in the Mafia
3) He cannot kill, thus neutering the Mafia
4) The 'Mafia Dons' who died actually were the Mafia Dons
5) Joans was both a Mafia Don and a Serial killer

I can't decide whether that's ridiculous, or too far-fetched to be made up!

as far fetched as being a goon that can't kill!!! (bloody trooper)!!

Lynch Alarm and you will see i am right!

If not lynch me tomorrow!

Why would you be investigating anyone if you knew who they were from the beginning?

[vote: kovacsC] this is claptrap.

In the absence of anything better to go on...

[vote:alarm]

who are you saying i investigated..

Night1 = town win condition
Night 2 = town win condition
Night 3 = loony

I knew Alarm was mafia from day1

Who did you investigate then apart from EBG?

Well if he's telling the truth he could still have gone after power roles and the SK.

I'd come to that conclusion even without investigative powers.

Either that or you're all just really, really easy to fool. HhahahhahahahaHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH.

Do you think they could be throwing him out there as a decoy since he is useless to them rather than keeping him for the numbers? If we vote Alarm and he isn't. then we could have another two kills tonight and we've just killed another townie. Then we would lynch Kovacs, but they wouldn't need him anyway so then they would get two more kills that night.

I am swaying towards voting for Alarm though.

We have 50 mins left.

Two others...

You don't seem too worried, is there a reason you aren't defending yourself?

24 hours and 50 mins....

Yes, we get that bit, but if you aren't going to give up any more information this close to line then we have no reason to believe you do we?

Oops!

Hoorah!

Night 1 I investigated DavPaz as he was acting odd, he has a town condtion.

Night 2 I investigated SA his win condition was town, but he has said he is the hooker, so I can back his win condition up.

I am not sure how this will work, with Alarm being the new don, and I can't kill.. Does that stop the mafia killing anyone now?

1 Hooker (SA Role Claim)
1 Doctor
1 SK (?) or similar.
1 Loony - EBG
1 Cop/Goon - Kov
1 Mafia Don - Alarm
1 Townie - Davpaz.

That leaves

Bobby
Curio
GJ
Flis
Nic
APOD

Day 4
VOTE UPDATE

applepieofdestiny: 1 (nickachu)
goddess jasmine: 1 (ElephantBanjoGnome)
kovacsc: 1 (Bobbyaro)
alarm: 2 (Curiosity, KovacsC)

Not voted: 6 (alarm, applepieofdestiny, davpaz, flis, goddess jasmine, sinister agent)

With 11 players alive, 6 votes are required for a lynch, and 8 nolynch votes are required to not lynch anybody.

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I'm happy enough to change to Kovacs as I think he's talking out of his backside. Also, he's very tall.

[vote:Kovacsc]

Odd that the three people you've 'investigated' are the three that have all already had roles assigned to them (SA - Hooker, DavPaz - sister, EBG - lunatic) by everyone.

This is just too fishy.

[vote:alarm]

I'll got for that
Ok.. so if what Kovacs is saying is true.. that Alarm is Mafia, and is now the Don, and that Kovacs' win condition is now Town, surely then all we need to do is vote off alarm and the game is up? [vote: KovacsC]

If Kovacs was telling the truth then we kill him and win anyway, as we can off Alarm tomorrow and the Mafia is completely gone. The SK will potentially kill one or two of us, but our main threat is toast.

If Kovacs is lying then we need to kill him and decide what to do next, as he is likely throwing an innocent under a lorry and making excuses for a guilty type.

Either way, safest to kill him and find out.

I can confirm that I am a townie. A cute 10 year old female townie. With pigtails.

[vote: alarm]

I'm not sure I want to bandwagon Alarm at this point. Kov has said he didn't know what the other "mafia" roles were until they died. One of them was the SK and 2 were townies and Kov has come forward to roleclaim as the cop.

So, the mafia have had a cop, 2 townies and, according to Kov, 2 SKs as well?

I'm not saying Kov isn't a cop, I believe him there (I think...although maybe he's a shit cop?) but why does that automatically make Alarm a bad guy? Or have I missed something obvious?

Actually, thinking about it, this is wise. With the cop in the game, the Dr. will feel obliged to protect him. Which leaves he hooker to get killed tonight and she's our only roleblocking role, if she stays with Alarm tonight and there is still a kill, then he is ok. The additional SK can't afford not to kill at this point, can he? And if he choses not to, we're going to lynch Alarm anyway so the SK gains nothing. The Dr. probably doesn't need to protect anyone in that case, as it'll just add to the confusion.

[vote:KovacsC]

Yes you have missed something obvious, both me and Alarm are Mafia.. But I am a cop too, so yes it makes Alarm a bad guy.

Flis you are twisiting my words, and you are on my list to investigate next.

All I know that there were 4 Mafia
Zaphod (1st Don)
Joans (2nd Don)
Alarm (3rd Don)
Me

I was not aware of Joan's secondary role of SK, any more that the Mafia knew I was a cop.

I did not speak out before, as my win condition is Town, and I could not get rid of the Mafia until there was 2 of us left.

I assumed there were 2 SKs as we had 3 kills on night 2. The hit Zaphod ordered,and 2 others.

Also if you kill me you had better block alarm as he can kill tonight.

SO why not kill him first and use the doctor to go for

one of these -
Bobby
Curio
GJ
Flis
Nic
APOD

As we do not know thereroles.

But Alarm can kill tonight, unless the hooker or doctor block him.

But the SK now knows who the Cop and hooker are...

But Alarm is not innocent, kill him and find out...

Yes and find the SK...

But the Doctor can protect the hooker and the hooker can prevent Alarm getting killed, and the SK would be an idiot not to do us a favour and kill Alarm if it turns out that you're a cop, as then there are no more kill roles (that we know of) out there.

Also, I feel compelled to vote for you as you're very tall and it makes me uncomfortable.

Sorry, I was washing my hands.

[vote:alarm]

The tall was a disguise.... I am only 5'5 really....

4-4 in the voting between Alarm and Kovacs, with three left to vote.

Oooh, the tension!

That's tall to me!

Either was a mafia goes.. so a win for the town.

But I am good mafia and Alarm is bad mafia...

Out of the two I am more tempted to vote for Alarm. Then Kovacs. Unless Kovacs is playing us all for fools. Argh.

Would this face lie

Argh!

I feel like two face Good Cop/ Bad Mafia..


I need a dark place to lay down...

Catching up with the day now, but can I have a rule clarification please?

What happens if the doctor tries to protect me, but I roleblock the doctor?

This and the EBG thing is about the least useful information, and the safest for a fake roleclaim, that I can think of. We already know Davpaz is town from his kid sister/brother thing, I've already roleclaimed, and EBG has been acting obviously loopy for a couple of days now.

This all sounds very unlikely, and possibly an attempt by the mafia to confuse the doctor so they can top me tonight.

Two mafia dons being killed doesn't make any sense, especially as we were told they were town and serial killer respectively. How could Joans be a mafia don and the serial killer? If he was, who killed him?

Does not add up at all. I'm wondering why the mafia would make such a play though.

OR. Alternative theory: EBG is not the loony. Kovacs is.

(I'm still catching up with the day, but posting this now in case we're close to a lynch already - stop if we are please, thanks - I need to know what to do tonight and might need to discuss it with you all).

I am not doing a fake roleclam. I agree I don't know how Joans could be both but he was, and Zaphod was the same.

I am not after topping you, nor do I want the doctor to protect me. So if you think you need protecting then let it be so.

The confusion is what I have been saying for the past day or two, since Zaphod got killed.


It just happens that you were one of the folks I investigated, then you roleclaimed today, everyone is acting odd, so it was pot luck who I chose. Especially as I am caop/mafia which is an odd combination.

If we lynch one, could you not just role block the other?

I agree about holding off on a lynch just for the time being, I'd like to give everyone a chance to contribute and for Alarm to speak up. *grimaces*

I say: Doc - don't protect Kovacs. If he's lying, he'll survive the night anyway. If he's telling the truth, then the mafia will kill him, so we can do what he suggested tomorrow. If they decide not to kill him, he'll have more information for us.

Lynching Kovacs is a waste of our time one way or the other. If he's lying, he's either the loony, or somebody here has pinpointed the mafia and they're doing this to protect (my money would be on Nikachu, personally, as both Curio and I were quite vocal about suspecting him before Kovacs claimed. We can discuss this though, obv.) themselves.



I love how this has become a non-weird thing to do now.


I think we need to look at all our options, not just Kovacs and Alarm.

We also need to discuss what the cop, doctor and I should do tonight before we lynch someone, or we could end up shooting ourselves in the foot.

Yep, but I don't want to have to. I

We don't know how many mafia there are. If we lynch Alarm and he's mafia, we think Kovacs is on the level, right? But what if it's just a ploy?

If the third killer is some kind of don-hunter (I still don't buy this idea that Joans was both a don and an SK), then no mafia have died at all so far, and we could still have three or four of them around. They can choose who does the kill, so roleblocking would be useless because they'd just choose someone else to do it.

Whatever is going on here, I don't want to be led down an alley by anyone (not without money upfront, anyway).

Kov's story doesn't add up. If he's mafia, then he's willing to risk getting killed with a crazy roleclaim. That means it's in our interests to do whatever he was trying to prevent us from doing, not to kill him.

If he's the loony, he's wasting our time
(Also, EBG isn't voting for Kovacs, did you notice that? If I were the loony and someone calld me on it and claimed to be a cop, I'd counter-claim, make a case against them - anything. EBG hasn't done anything. Hardly very condcive to offing yourself).

If he's somehow on the level, we've won, because Alarm is the SK-don hybrid and we can just lynch him tomorrow regardless of who dies tonight. Alarm will have to either kill him, exposing himself and ending the game, or kill someone else, which leaves Kov to investigate someone else and prove his claims.