Be Excellent To Each Other

Good Morning!

Down a storm trooper is good, I guess losing JarJar is ok (As has been said, at least it wasn't a proper rebel, and that confusion is now gone).

But now what to do.

I think I know (and this is just based on what people have said, I don't have an investigation role or anything) who a couple of people are, but last time I thought that too, and we all know how that ended up!

I don't want to share just yet (I don't want to point any baddies in the right direction or increase the likelyhood of attack on me) but I have my eye on a few people.

We've got plenty of time yet, but let's make sure we use it for discussion, not just let the whole weekend go past and have the day timeout on monday.

Malc

Was I? How so?

Can't be. They'd have missed, surely. I did wonder about that, though, since the sith don't know who the mooks are. Also part of me really wants R2D2 to investigate C3PO, just because the mental image of him getting a report telling him his own win condition makes me giggle.

And bloody well played, Trooper. That's got to be a record win.

I wonder what made them go for Russell. He didn't seem particularly keen on lynching or agreeing with anyone. Presumably Ackbar knows two people now, unless his role on night 1 was protective rather than roleblocky, and Yoda might know enough for the Jedi to either whack someone or protect a value target tonight. Although it does seem to make sense for them to just keep protecting themselves.

Hm.




Who was principally a loon and therefore an agent of confusion. It's not a great result, but I'd say it's a good one, as this game is complicated enough without someone distracting us from the real villains.



This is a good point, though.

Kalmar, what makes you think Dav is suspicious?



Plus there's no guarantee they've found anything useful enough to be worth the risk. "Oh, Player 1 and 2 are both rebels, you say? Well that's worth getting all three of you killed, especially when the sith will probably make an immediate counter-roleclaim. Well done."


Right, I really ought to concentrate on work now, sorry.

Oh, does Ackbar get feedback on the people he shouts at? I assumed it was a one way street.

Well, at least two of us know who he is now anyway (3 if you count Ackbar himself) so his secret's become less and less secret.

Thinking about this, for Craster to know that he was blocked would kind of suggest that Craster is admitting to having a night action.

Unless Curio informs every player of exactly what Ackbar did to them, regardless of the player's role.

If we assume that Craster is telling the truth, and that he has a night action, he's clearly not Palpatine or a Stormtrooper. So he could be a good guy, or one of the other bad guys.

I don't think that's the case.

If it is, then things aren't looking up for DavPaz.

Ackbar protects AND roleblocks, and that person will know they've been visited (presumably regardless of whether or not they were actually blocked or protected).

Ah, but for Craster to specifically say he was blocked, that suggests he has a night action, unless that was just his way of saying "visited"?

I think we have to assume it is the case, and things aren't looking good for DP.

disclaimer, i have no idea what is going on.

I am still very suss of DPs timing last night.

Ha, I missed the 'blocked' part.

Is that a 'D'OH!' moment for Craster there?

I get the feeling that craster just meant he was visited by Ackbar rather than actively blocked, although I could be wrong, it could well be another slip of the fingers.

Malc

[vote: DavPaz]

Pushed for time, LC?

Care to elaborate?

I get the feeling that you and Craster can communicate, although I could be wrong.

If I could communicate with craster would I really be defending him so much and so obviously?

yeah, yeah, I know, maybe it's a double bluff.

Malc

Er, why are you defending Craster?

Unbelievably, I was expected to work in class this morning Was busy foraging for food and other cavey type things this morning but I will try and be more active this afternoon

Hmm, the Craster blocked slip is seeming more like a slip than anything else. We have to remember that doesnt mean he is a baddy though, he could be a goody who was blocked.
kalmar has started today with a belief that DavPaz is bad, which appears to have come from nowhere. I'm interested in that.

Because when I read what craster said, in my mind it said he was visited by ackbar not that he was blocked by him. So I was surprised that people were jumping on him saying that he was doing something.

Malc

I am a fool.



Not necessarily. Ackbar didn't pipe up yesterday when he blocked someone else (well, it seems more than likely, anyway), so there's no obvious danger of exposure for his target. If anything, it suggests to me more that Craster's innocent if anything, or at least not a big bad - why risk the exposure?

Or pooossibly he is a villain angling for a roleclaim, but that seems needlessly dangerous just to bag Ackbar, as anyone he visits will know who he is, and the sith are already one down, and might already know who ackbar is if Palpatine was targeted on night one. Although if he were, I can't imagine why the Sith wouldn't have whacked Ackbar last night.

So um. I doubt Palpatine was blocked by Ackbar on night one - they'd have offed him. Maybe another stormtrooper though, but the numbers make this fairly unlikely.

I think we may be getting lost in the detail of this Ackbar thing, though. Maybe we should be looking at what Russell was up to yesterday? His role is the most concrete information we have.

You are of course, correct.

Wait, that makes sense doesn't it.
If Ackbar happened to block the chosen stormtrooper on night one, then the sith couldn't kill him off, because the stormtrooper can't tell them who Ackbar is.
Ackbar could then block the same person again, but the sith could just choose another stormtrooper and get a kill in.

Although that would suggest Craster was a stormtrooper, unless Ackbar chose someone different from night one, or something entirely different happened.

I don't think the sith actually choose the storm trooper (they don't know who they are) I am sure I read that curio was going to decide a random order or something

Malc

Good point, but my main point still stands.
Night one, the sith try to kill, but the stormtrooper doing the killing gets blocked. He knows who ackbar is, but can't tell the sith, who choose to kill someone else on night two

If Curio was choosing them at random, then if Ackbar (or anyone) did block the chosen stormtrooper on night one, they might not have blocked the chosen one on night two, even if they chose the same person. In fact, it might have been Vader that blocked the stormtrooper on night one.

One additional bit of info that i've only just noticed (and no-one else has commented on) as a possibility for night 1 is that the *same* person , (who could be captured) was chosen to be captured by either the Jawa or Fett *and* targetted for death





So the person was kidnapped first , then the kill action would fail.

(I'm not saying this has happened - however i'm saying its another possibility).

I am beginning to feel tempted to vote for Malia. I think he has been a bit weird and rereading the last few pages of day two, his reaosning for thinking DavPaz should go today (after being very very vocal about getting Trooper) was very odd.
Typically, no one is really sure about a vote on day two and they tend to put votes in reluctantly so the fact he was so conifdent about Trooper was odd, especially given Trooper wasn't a baddy. He was however a goody that it wasn't a loss to lose therefore no one has really fussed over looking at who voted for him and who encouraged it which could be a clever move on a baddys part. Grim... started that vote but it really seemed to have been started in response to a throw away comment and then it gained momentum, based on Troopers manipulation of everyone. But I really dont get why Malia was so gung ho.
Then he started saying things like


He didn't say that if we kill Trooper and he is good then it's a shame, he just seemed happy to get the kill.


Then he says that if DavPaz isnt killed overnight then it proves he's bad. I don't get this. If Davpaz was visited by Ackbar, and he isn't a bad guy, why would he be killed overnight? No one would have reaosn to be suspicious of him. Malia also says

why is he referring to the rebels as a seperate group?

[vote:MaliA]

Rule clarification:

When someone either attacks Palpatine or Palpatine chooses to kill, the Stormtrooper who will cop it in his stead, or the Stormtrooper who will try to kill, is selected via random means.

If someone blocked Palpatine, would that stop him from choosing to kill, or do you need to block the actual stormtrooper that is doing the killing?

Gilly is my new best friend.

[vote:gilly]

JOKE

[vote:malia]

not because I have a reason, it'll just be nice to even out the votes

By the way, I'm not saying I believe DavPaz but I just don't understand this logic. Usually fi someone reasons out something then even if you don't trust them you can follow their logic but this just seems to be random nonsense with accusation mixed in.

Oh, I'm all for the random nonsense usually, but this time I am 100% telling the truth.

Gilly presents some good logic, it does seem odd for MaliA to be pushing so hard for Trooper's death.

[vote:MaliA]

I pointed this out yesterday. SULKING STARTS NOW.

Troopers first post, day one.

Oh, er...
Zeppo's first post, day one.



I'm not particularly familiar with the Star Wars films, I've only seen the first four (not the two most recent) and even then it was years ago. But what's the relevance of *snap-hiss*? Doesn't sound very friendly to me!

Lightsaber

Does Darth Vaders mask make that noise when removed?

A bit tenuous maybe?!?

Oh. I'd have never guessed that. I thought a light saber sounded like vrrrooomussshh. Took me a few minutes to find the letter for that, along with pulling a few funny faces!

Sometimes it's *crack-HUMM*

Snap-hiss = the sound of a lightsaber igniting! Can't believe you don't know that

Given that people are looking for clues like this though, I have to say I'm not a lightsaber-user of any kind. Just love me the sound of a lightsaber.

I'm going to vote for you just for the rubbish lightsabre noises.

[vote:Zeppo]

[vote:unvote]

I hope you've learned your lesson.

Good work on straddling the page break

Tell me about it!

This post:
viewtopic.php?style=5&f=8&t=6747&p=515520#p515520



It's not an overtly "jar-jar speak" post as a couple of others did for lols, but it's definitely similar to that style of phrasing, but vague enough to deny it if (as happened) jarjar turned up dead.



I elaborated here:
viewtopic.php?style=2&p=515923#p515923

Apart from that, the repeated trying to out ackbar thing, and just general oddness.

That said, gilly's suggestion makes sense too. But would malia be that overt in choosing people if he was a badguy? Perhaps yes because it's malia.

Heh, the Woowee thing was more of a YEEHAW knee slapping redneck attempt.

And as for oddness... dude, you've *met* me

They are good points, when zeppo today said something about Ackbar coming forward my initial gut reaction was that maybe those two could communicate and so they're trying to make it look like less of a thing by casually throwing it in again from a different player. This is a confusing game so I think the bad guys could possibly be using a tactic of simply trying to sow the seeds of confusion a bit more in the hope of making us slip up and maybe reveal something we shouldn't.
In saying that, no one has counter claimed against Dav Paz to say they were visited on night one. But it could have been one of our power roles who was visited in which case it's probably better they didn't so as they don't draw attention to themself.
I'm still a bit suspicious of DavPaz and Zeppo. I had noticed that quote that you are saying sounds JarJar-esque when he said it but I took as just him being a bit daft. The point you make is a good one though, he could have been planning to use it as a cover story. Seems a bit unlikely though.

Errm, thanks, I think.

Errm, thanks, I think.

CLONES!

[vote:davpazmalia]

Probably shooting myself in the foot here for asking, but why me Gilly?