Be Excellent To Each Other

I hope Kovacs is enjoying this, that skiffelling bastard!

If it finishes on one vote each, won't they both get handed over to the cops?

Very good point, yes it will

Oops, ah well, looks like they haven't realised that either.

isn't their "sudden death golden time" or whatever you called it?

Malc

Another interesting question - why dont they both just switch to Kovacs - then its the hooker and SK and the SK cant kill the hooker and they cant be voted off ?

There will be, but after it is still level after that, is what I meant

They could, but that goes against both the ideals of their win conditions really.

The hooker can't win in that case.

The hooker has already achieved her win condition by killing five townies, though, but being last man standing would be ace.

I think KovacsC knows this though, hence all the stalling. That'd be what would cross my mind, anyway.

The weight of expectation hung across his shoulders must be immense.

Worst hooker ever.

The hooker cant lose either ? , it would be a 'draw' (and right now since the SK has already won thats all the town are playing for)

It's a bit difficult because of the SKs win condition, but if they kill the SK, the town 'win' and the SK 'wins'. If they force a stalemate, the town 'draw' ans the SK 'wins'. As far as I see it, anyway.

If the SK had left after 5 kills, the town would already have won

Huh?

The hooker isn't supposed to be killing townies.

FTFY

The town can win if KovacsC doesn't choose either, both Hooker and SK end up in jail and KovacsC is last (townie) man standing, no?

Yeah, I realised just as I was typing that last post and put SK and hooker in the same sentence. It's because I was thinking prostitute and hooker, as if they were separate people. Brain too cold to function.

Correct (if he realises that) and as previously mentioned the SK still wins as well.

I think the new voting system has been proved to be pretty crap on all accounts

Agreed , however I also think it was worth trying (and for all those 'not enough votes' times then i dont think the town would have got rid of as many mafia)

I think it's been excellent. It's only the SK win condition that's a bit iffy.

No, I think it works, but should revert to normal voting when you get to the final eight, or something like that.

I also think the town should have had a win condition at the start as well.

Nah, I like it. How many no-lynches would we have this game without it?

The main reason I switched the voting was to try and encourage more participation, which it didn't really do (for whatever reason, this is something i'd like to explore in a bit more detail in a separate thread). I'm not sure the added complexity is worth it if it doesn't make any difference to the amount of talking.

SK condition is a bit iffy, I agree. To be honest, I didn't really think about the consequences of them actually reaching it, as they never do!

Town win condition is the usual "no bad guys left", which I thought was self explanatory, but you're right it should have been called out specifically.

You can't assume the voting would have been the same if the rules were different.

I think the game skewed slightly with all of the people who dropped out and were mod killed as we lost loads of townies through non-participation. Obviously it can't be helped as things happen which you have no control over, but it did really shift the balance somewhat.

I think the SK sees it as an individual win, but to be last man standing as an overall win. That's what I understood when we had a nice pot of tea in Costa, anyway. I'm always going for tea with serial killers, it's quite surprising.

I did say quite loudly, 'I was SURE you were the prostitute!' in the middle of the coffee shop though.

As I mentioned somewhere during the game, because you don't have to reach a majority, people don't have to vote. Perhaps going back to the old rules, but rather than needing more than 50% of the vote for a lynch, knocking it down to 40% or a 1/3? That way, people will still have to talk/vote to get someone lynched, but there might be enough people to actually get the lynches, rather than everyone just shrugging because they're not sure who to vote for.

I would always say that if the SK has a 'five kill' win condition, they leave when they get it. If they have a 'kill everyone' win condition, they obviously stay in until the end.

Maybe they could become a townie after they got their 5 kills, to still give them a "survive to the end" win condition as well, or does that just complicate things?

Ooh, no I like that. Just like Fred West. Or something.

Act... Normal... No-one will suspect what you did all those years ago, shhhhh!

OMG Kovacs!

This game is amazing. And I like the new voting system. Takes balls to modkill and keep the game going, and this game never really faltered at all.

I agree with Mr Russ. It's been a newton's cradle of shifting powers, and I've enjoyed reading every day of it.

GJ is best and I her.

Sorry Town....

She even said that you were the prostitute at the start of the day!

It is a confusing game isn’t it and as I understand it, it was the furthest Kovacs had got... as it was me.

Still, it was hard to convince you when GJ had made that role claim so never mind. I spent most of yesterday reading back through the previous days posts to see bits that I could pick out but alas... It didn’t work.

Yeah, I particularly liked GJ's moment when she explicitly said she wasn't the prostitute and then changed her mind a couple of posts later.

This was because I told her that pretending to be the last remaining townie, while also trying to get the actual last remaining townie on her side was perhaps not the best thought out plan ever put together. However, I stand corrected.

I missed that!!

Will post something when I can stop laughing!

Okay, firstly Trooper, that was a fantastic game, thank you so much for running it. I have no idea how I made it to the end, I honestly thought I was a dead a couple of times thanks to Gilly (well played by the way!) I honestly didn't even think I would make my five kills, that 45 minute turnaround when I was about to be lynched was really quite something to behold!

When I needed to make my first kill I was a bit busy revising so hadn't really had chance to get drawn into the game. I didn't want to have boring murders so looked up a serial killer from the gangster era and copied his murder scenes http://www.freewilliamheirens.com/case/murders.htm there were only four descriptions, but I didn't expect to need any more than that anyway, as Trooper has said, SKs don't usually get that far.

I had Joans figured out as Mafia quite early on, and TheVision from day 7 I think it was, I was certainly wishing I'd killed him earlier in the game by yesterday! Once I knew who they were it was just a case of encouraging any other voting pattern really. It gutted me to kill Gilly off as she was playing so well, but she seemed to be a bigger threat to me than any power roll!



I can't believe I actually made it to the end!

That was exactly how I saw it as not only had I got my 'win' condition but as the last man standing had beaten everyone else as well!

Also true about the prostitute situation in Costa, I would have loved to have seen the look on my face when Mimi also pointed out that perhaps we shouldn't talk about fingering each other quite so loudly and excitedly...



Most excellent fun, and kovacs, you are the best kind of idiot.

I would have been prouder of myself in this game if I'd stuck with my suspicions of Curio and GJ but I gave up on them because no one was listening and everyone else seemed to be thinking I was dodgy!I liked this game and the voting, maybe we could try and similar majority thing but say everyone has to submit a vote, with a deadline and if you miss it you are modkilled? That way people can fire in a vote early and change it as the day progresses.

Gilly, I like your idea of compulsory voting. Stops people being able to hide behind a novote pattern.