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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 13:59 
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I'd add in examples of 'allowed' and 'frowned upon' though. Now we just need to decide on some. I'd say that posting a fake role description would be frowned upon in future (I have no issue with Gilly doing it here), but posting "Well, I'm a spy, and each night I can sneak around and find out info about people" would be fine in my book.

Could we make it easier by saying "You're not allowed to mention the GM, or make any reference to them at all, in the game thread"?

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I'd add in examples of 'allowed' and 'frowned upon' though. Now we just need to decide on some. I'd say that posting a fake role description would be frowned upon in future (I have no issue with Gilly doing it here), but posting "Well, I'm a spy, and each night I can sneak around and find out info about people" would be fine in my book.

Could we make it easier by saying "You're not allowed to mention the GM, or make any reference to them at all, in the game thread"?


That might be more sensible.

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Incidentally, a secret role that can pass confusing notes around is brilliant.

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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
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God, I'd have had so much fun with that role!

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I love the confusion it has made :D They are so busy looking for the double agent they are missing the obvious! :DD


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I'd add in examples of 'allowed' and 'frowned upon' though. Now we just need to decide on some. I'd say that posting a fake role description would be frowned upon in future (I have no issue with Gilly doing it here), but posting "Well, I'm a spy, and each night I can sneak around and find out info about people" would be fine in my book.

Could we make it easier by saying "You're not allowed to mention the GM, or make any reference to them at all, in the game thread"?


That might be more sensible.

That's still not really solving what people are saying is the problem here, because I could still have done everything I did only with Troopers name ommitted?

Also, can I just say, how awesome was my fake role description to nearly exactly get a secret role! I assumed it was the Germans passing round the notes, I had no idea there was really a spy character! I chose Bobby as my fake spyign target because I felt bad implicating someone in my fakeness who was enjoying the game and I kenw Bobby had some pretty awesome stuff going on away from here so he wouldn't be disappointed to go if I managed to get away with it for a day (which is all it would have lasted for since I'd have been investigated that night and killed, obviously.) Damn me and my good nature, I need to try and be more ruthless :)


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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 14:41 
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Incidentally, a secret role that can pass confusing notes around is brilliant.


You should have seen the different pm responses to the notes :)


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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
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Gilly wrote:
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I'd add in examples of 'allowed' and 'frowned upon' though. Now we just need to decide on some. I'd say that posting a fake role description would be frowned upon in future (I have no issue with Gilly doing it here), but posting "Well, I'm a spy, and each night I can sneak around and find out info about people" would be fine in my book.

Could we make it easier by saying "You're not allowed to mention the GM, or make any reference to them at all, in the game thread"?


That might be more sensible.

That's still not really solving what people are saying is the problem here, because I could still have done everything I did only with Troopers name ommitted?

Also, can I just say, how awesome was my fake role description to nearly exactly get a secret role! I assumed it was the Germans passing round the notes, I had no idea there was really a spy character!


It was incredibly awesome, it even had me fooled :DD


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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
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Gilly - It was, indeed, a superb roleclaim.

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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
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Gilly wrote:
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Could we make it easier by saying "You're not allowed to mention the GM, or make any reference to them at all, in the game thread"?

That might be more sensible.

That's still not really solving what people are saying is the problem here, because I could still have done everything I did only with Troopers name ommitted?

Simpler still, then: "Be in character."

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Also, can I just say, how awesome was my fake role description to nearly exactly get a secret role!

Lucky, lucky bugger.

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I chose Bobby as my fake spyign target because I felt bad implicating someone in my fakeness who was enjoying the game

Unlucky, unlucky bugger.

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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 14:48 
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Another weird occurrence with this game? Despite three main factions, many different win conditions, and so many deaths, not one win condition has been met yet.


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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
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Grim... wrote:
Gilly wrote:
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Grim... wrote:
Could we make it easier by saying "You're not allowed to mention the GM, or make any reference to them at all, in the game thread"?

That might be more sensible.

That's still not really solving what people are saying is the problem here, because I could still have done everything I did only with Troopers name ommitted?

Simpler still, then: "Be in character."


Even that poses a problem. If I was a townie, my character is essentially what I make it. I really enjoy roleplaying in these games and had a whale of a time in the MP one but I could essentially become a character who was a bit nuts and then do what I liked! I would however love to play stringent role playing mafia game where we all had roles even if very few people had power roles. Some people are rubbish at roleplaying.
Oh also, while I remember can we enforce a rule stopping people posting in the game thread once dead? I don't think anyone has so far this game but usually someone does and it really annoys me. even if its just to make ghosty noises and ask for dead thread access, it does my head in. I know we don't discuss mafia outside this corner of the forum and for good reason but there's nothing wrong with posting in B&b for dead thread access and saying nothing more, when you've been removed from the game. FAR preferable to posting in the game thread.
Anyway, back to my original point. My character was Libyan. i was a nutjob. Did no one read my first kill note?! So it is reasonable for me to argue that my fake roleclaim WAS in character. I was a nutjob! For all you know, I believed it myself!


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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 15:17 
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flis wrote:
If all the baddies target him tonight, what happens....? Who's side does he go on to?


I hope they don't work this out :D Malc would get recruited by the first pm that reaches me, and killed by the second :DD


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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 15:38 
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If all the baddies target him tonight, what happens....? Who's side does he go on to?


I hope they don't work this out :D Malc would get recruited by the first pm that reaches me, and killed by the second :DD


:DD

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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 17:15 
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Curiosity wrote:
Trooper wrote:
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If all the baddies target him tonight, what happens....? Who's side does he go on to?


I hope they don't work this out :D Malc would get recruited by the first pm that reaches me, and killed by the second :DD


:DD

Superb.


It would still be worth doing though, if there was more than one frenchy out there...


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Trooper wrote:
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If all the baddies target him tonight, what happens....? Who's side does he go on to?

I hope they don't work this out :D Malc would get recruited by the first pm that reaches me, and killed by the second :DD

:DD
Superb.

It would still be worth doing though, if there was more than one frenchy out there...

*lightbulb*

Oh yeah!

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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 18:27 
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Well indeed.

I trust all of our excellent dead threaders are not feeding this back to their living team-mates.

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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
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Nope my team mate is in here...

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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 18:29 
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Curiosity wrote:
God, I'd have had so much fun with that role!


Night one: "Curio is the doctor".


I'm still undecided on the posting a role thing. I don't think a rule was broken, but I'm uncomfortable with essentially faking a GM message. I can't really say why, it just seems a bit too far. Iono. I think I broadly agree with:

Curiosity wrote:
Something like that, Grim...

I'd add in examples of 'allowed' and 'frowned upon' though. Now we just need to decide on some. I'd say that posting a fake role description would be frowned upon in future (I have no issue with Gilly doing it here), but posting "Well, I'm a spy, and each night I can sneak around and find out info about people" would be fine in my book.

We'd best get it sorted before my next game, at any rate!
:D


Though. :shrug:



Interesting to see Flis pushing to lynch malc for being French. I thought that he can't be recruited unless the French PM is targeted, so presumably he's only a minion (or lying), which makes me think Flis is probably a britisher or crazy libyistani.

The spy roles seemed to have made this quite excellent. Have we had a game yet where a special role is given to a new player who can turn up halfway through the game? That could be interesting.

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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 18:46 
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Well indeed.

I trust all of our excellent dead threaders are not feeding this back to their living team-mates.


I have not told my PM anything.


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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 19:06 
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P.S. Surely gospvg is the spy?


:this:

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sinister agent wrote:
The spy roles seemed to have made this quite excellent.


:DD

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Have we had a game yet where a special role is given to a new player who can turn up halfway through the game? That could be interesting.


Ummm... I may have had the following role already written in case the spy got knocked out super early, or things were otherwise slow. To have been assigned at random out of the surviving players... :D turns out it wasn't needed though.


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You've hidden away for so very long, pulling strings under the covers, nobody even knew you were around, you hid so well you even forgot yourself who you really were… for a time…

You have remembered your true purpose! This world isn't as people seem, you and your friends have been running it for aeons. The U.N. is getting too big for it's boots, and this session was never about them resolving their differences, it was all about getting them together in the same place, so it was easier to get rid of them.


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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 19:16 
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Curiosity wrote:
Well indeed.

I trust all of our excellent dead threaders are not feeding this back to their living team-mates.

I keep trying, but he's too busy having sex.

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Grim... wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
Well indeed.

I trust all of our excellent dead threaders are not feeding this back to their living team-mates.

I keep trying, but he's too busy having sex.


With Curio's corpse, if we are to believe the note...


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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 19:26 
Trooper wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
Well indeed.

I trust all of our excellent dead threaders are not feeding this back to their living team-mates.

I keep trying, but he's too busy having sex.


With Curio's corpse, if we are to believe the note...


Can you share with us all the notes that were sent at the end of the game? It'll be interesting to see who's been told what.


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nickachu wrote:
Trooper wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
Well indeed.

I trust all of our excellent dead threaders are not feeding this back to their living team-mates.

I keep trying, but he's too busy having sex.


With Curio's corpse, if we are to believe the note...


Can you share with us all the notes that were sent at the end of the game? It'll be interesting to see who's been told what.


I've got my spreadsheet, which says who voted for who, their night actions and also has all the messages sent, so i'll post that as usual :)


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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 11:35 
Ha the spy must have sent out the same messages to several people then and lucked out on the killing of curio judging by slightly greens post.


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Wow... that spy really didn't like me.

:(

Excellent game, Trooper. It's really getting tense in there now!

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Curiosity wrote:
Wow... that spy really didn't like me.


Hence why I said you were screwed either way when you first joined this thread :D

It is tense, isn't it...


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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 12:27 
Trooper wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
Wow... that spy really didn't like me.


Hence why I said you were screwed either way when you first joined this thread :D

It is tense, isn't it...


It's really getting tense now! I wonder who alarm and gospvg are going to vote for


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Well, the whole point of my fake roleclaim was to spread confusion and hopefully buy myself an extra night. I didn't get the extra night but hopefully I've offered my team some protection. Loving what's happening today.


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Everyone seems to believe the role description was a real one, nobody is even entertaining the thought that you completely made it up from scratch! :D


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The Spy should really try to push the floating voters one way or the other.

Also, Flis raises a valid point. If they let the Frenchies survive, then whoever gets to recruit them first will be in a strong position

Also also, it'd be funny if they're bluffing and already used their 'Run' capability.

:D

Also also also, this is more of a problem for the Libyans and Brits than us Afghans. We only need the Brits to be eliminated for the win. I'd probably vote to hang a Frenchman and hope to hit the Brit during the night.

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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 13:47 
Yeah at this rate I'm pretty sure the infidels will win. I'm not 100% on malc claiming to be French. I think he's Libyan. Should be interesting to see how it goes.


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"So if you leave Malc and me alive then the people attacking us poor French only have a 50% chance of getting the President, if Malc or i are disposed of today then it is a 100% hit chance"

If SG and Malc are French, then SG is doing a damn good job of convincing the remaining kill roles to vote for him or Malc! :D


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I believe SG and Malc are the Frenchies. AFAICR the only kill role to not kill on any night was the Afghans, so even if the Froggies had been recruited, it would have been to the Libyan cause.

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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
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I'm unsure who is the infidels then if they are the French, I was on the assumption that Malc was a Libyan. Hmmm...


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Heh, another note, now it is even more interesting!


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How does the note giver get all this info!


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I don't really know who to vote for either. Unless some intelligence turns up, I have no ideas.


Remind me to tell you why this post amused me at the end of the game :DD


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I wonder how he gets that info... ;)


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I wonder how he gets that info... ;)


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But alarm said he got his note on night one telling him about 2 people. I got a note the same night(I think) telling me about curiosity, can they investigate more than one? Or is it just guess work?


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I wonder how he gets that info... ;)


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But alarm said he got his note on night one telling him about 2 people. I got a note the same night(I think) telling me about curiosity, can they investigate more than one? Or is it just guess work?


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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 14:07 
Ah ok
They obviously got intelligence on everyone and is using it to mess with us. Nice :)


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Ah ok
They obviously got intelligence on everyone and is using it to mess with us. Nice :)


Or they are making it up as they go along :D


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Trooper wrote:
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Ah ok
They obviously got intelligence on everyone and is using it to mess with us. Nice :)


Or they are making it up as they go along :D


Quite.

They only know one investigation's worth per night, but they can make up endless streams of misinformation.

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Doh! i meant it to end 10pm today! Ah well :D


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 Post subject: Re: UNScum pariahs and dead folk
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Can't you change it and let them know?


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